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    Le'Veon Bell's contract leveraging power disintegrating more with each passing week..



    NFL franchises around the league are scratching their heads wondering if Bell
    is who they thought he was?
    or
    Was the Steelers OL making him look better than what he really is?
    or
    Is Conner just as wickedly talented as Bell?
    or
    Is the Steelers rushing system good enough to where you can
    plug any average to above average RB/WR into the system and get
    nearly the same results?

    Just this 4 part conundrum of questioning alone is just as confusing as
    it is damaging to Bell's hefty contract he's expecting to win..
    Better get'r'done because of the numbers JC is putting up each week....
    I mean JC's TD's already matching Bell's TD output of Bell's entire last season.......

    Clearly this is not about the money since Bell is losing a mil per week

    The good news is more than half of the NFL franchises around the league
    still believe piggyback riding a few star players to the glory hole is the
    recipe for winning championships..

    However, this is not the FFL or better known as the Fantasy Football League.........

    Now, let's look at the numbers as numbers can't lie or fool anyone...
    JC. has successfully replaced Bell as there is no doubt about it...
    Both rushing and receiving.

    Bell is supposedly good friends with Conner and wishes him well..

    If true how can he not be pissed deep inside as Conner is clearly damaging
    Bell's bargaining power???

    Conner is breaking all time Steeler records left and right...

    Let's look at Conner's production compared
    to Bell's at this time last season along with JC's breaking
    of all time Steeler records as Ron Cook from the PPG
    will shed upon light upon just how great JC is quickly becoming
    a beloved all around great guy both on and off the field in Pittsburgh ............


    James Conner
    2018 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG RUSHING RECEIVING FUMBLES
    DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
    Sun 10/28 W 33-18 24 146 6.1 30 2 5 66 13.2 14 0 1 0
    Sun 10/14 W 28-21 19 111 5.8 26 2 4 18 4.5 8 0 0 0
    Sun 10/7 W 41-17 21 110 5.2 30 2 4 75 18.8 29 0 1 0
    Sun 9/30 L 14-26 9 19 2.1 4 0 3 25 8.3 15 0 0 0
    Mon 9/24 W 30-27 15 61 4.1 27 0 5 34 6.8 18 0 0 0
    Sun 9/16 L 37-42 8 17 2.1 9 1 5 48 9.6 22 0 0 0
    Sun 9/9 21-21 (OT) 31 135 4.4 22 2 5 57 11.4 19 0 1 1
    REGULAR SEASON STATS 127 599 4.7 30 9 31 323 10.4 29 0 3 1


    Le'Veon Bell
    2017 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG RUSHING RECEIVING FUMBLES
    DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST















    Sun 10/22 W 29-14 35 134 3.8 15 0 3 58 19.3 42 0 0 0
    Sun 10/15 W 19-13 32 179 5.6 27 1 3 12 4.0 9 0 0 0
    Sun 10/8 L 9-30 15 47 3.1 15 0 10 46 4.6 9 0 0 0
    Sun 10/1 W 26-9 35 144 4.1 21 2 4 42 10.5 18 0 1 0
    Sun 9/24 L 17-23 (OT) 15 61 4.1 13 1 6 37 6.2 12 0 0 0
    Sun 9/17 W 26-9 27 87 3.2 11 0 4 4 1.0 4 0 0 0
    Sun 9/10 W 21-18 10 32 3.2 15 0 3 15 5.0 10 0 0 0
    REGULAR SEASON STATS 169 684 3.8 27 4 33 214 7.2 42 0 1 0


    ATT Conner, 42< Bell (overworked)

    YDS Conner 85< Bell (42 ATT, 2 YDS AVG per. CAR)

    AVG Conner 4.7, .9 > Bell

    LNG Conner 30 YDS, 3 YDS > Bell

    TD Conner 9, 4 > Bell (*Conner's 9 TD's already matching Bell's entire season!*)

    ______________________________________

    REC Conner 31, 2 REC < Bell

    YDS Conner 323, 109 YDS >Bell

    AVG Conner 10.4, 3.2 > Bell

    LNG Conner 29, 13 YDS < Bell

    TD Conner 0 Bell 0

    FUM Conner 3, Bell 1

    LST Conner 1 > Bell 0






    Ron Cook: James Conner etches name into Steelers record book


    Hall of Famer Franco Harris never did it. Neither did Hall of Famers Jerome Bettis, John Henry Johnson and Bill Dudley. And no, Le’Veon Bell didn’t do it, either.


    In the 86-year history of the Steelers, James Conner is in a class by himself, the franchise’s first running back with three consecutive games with at least 100 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns. He went for 146 rushing yards and also had 66 receiving yards on five catches in the 33-18 win Sunday against Cleveland, the Steelers’ 15th consecutive regular-season win against the Browns at Heinz Field. I am not very good at math, but I believe that adds up to 212 yards from scrimmage. The Browns managed just 237 as a team.


    “I grabbed him on the sideline at the very end, gave him a hug and said I was proud of him,” Ben Roethlisberger recalled later. “Then I told him, ‘Don’t let the Conner chants get to your head.’”


    If you close your eyes and listen closely, you probably still can hear them.


    “Con-ner! Con-ner! Con-ner!”


    The love poured down, along with a chilly rain, late in the third quarter as Conner was following up in a big way his 111-yard, two-touchdown day in a win against Cincinnati Oct. 14 and his 110-yard, two-touchdown performance in a win against Atlanta Oct. 7.


    “I don’t think it will change him. I don’t think he’s that type of guy,” David DeCastro said. “He enjoyed it, which he should. But he’s not going to change. What he’s been through in his life, I think he appreciates where he’s at. It’s pretty awesome to watch.”


    You know Conner’s story. Grew up in Erie. Was an ACC Player of the Year at Pitt. Overcame a major knee injury. Beat cancer.


    The challenges kept coming for Conner this season when he was asked to replace Bell, who many of us thought was irreplaceable and was voted as the fifth-best NFL player by his league-wide peers before the season. Conner hasn’t just replaced Bell. He has been better than Bell was last season. It’s no wonder Roethlisberger said after Conner’s latest big day, “I don’t want to talk about Le’Veon. I want to talk about this win and the guys that are here.”


    It’s not just Roethlisberger.


    Conner has made Bell almost an afterthought in the Steelers locker room.


    The team has won three in a row to solidify its grasp on first place in the AFC North while Bell has lost $6.84 million the past eight weeks by refusing to sign his franchise tender.


    “It’s unfortunate, the whole situation,” Ramon Foster said. “I hate it for both sides, us and [Bell]. But the show rolls on. That’s the NFL. The train doesn’t stop for anybody. Somebody will have [No.] 73 after I’m done …


    “When the opportunity is there, you’ve got to take advantage of it. Conner is. He’s earned everything he’s got.”


    Conner had four carries for 60 yards on a 75-yard touchdown drive that gave the Steelers a 23-12 lead late in the third quarter. He did what he does best — break tackles. He broke one by safety Derrick Kindred on a 30-yard run and another by safety Damarious Randall on his 12-yard touchdown run.


    Conner was at it again on a drive midway through the fourth quarter. He had six runs for 53 yards, the final one for a 22-yard touchdown that closed out the Steelers’ scoring.


    It was a much different finish for Conner, who had 135 rushing yards and 57 receiving yards in the opening game at Cleveland but lost a fumble midway through the fourth quarter that led to the Browns coming back for a 21-21 tie.


    “After that first game, he almost was extra cautious,” Roethlisberger said. “He missed a couple of holes because he didn’t want to fumble. Today, at the end, there was no thought of fumbling. It was, ‘How can I score a touchdown?’ ”


    Conner’s teammates loved it.


    “The way he runs the ball is unbelievable,” Al Villenueva said. “That really inspires us.”


    Conner’s reaction to all of it was typically understated.


    “Just doing what I love to do. The passion and energy just came out.”


    Conner spent the Steelers’ bye week after the Cincinnati game by doing a national media tour. In each interview, he praised Bell for being a great teammate and said he is eager for Bell to return to the team.


    “Me and Le’Veon are super cool. He’s a great person. With him holding out, people are going to call him selfish and all that, but that’s not the case at all. It’s just business. That’s my guy …


    “Us as a duo, ain’t nobody going to stop us.”


    Unlike his coaches and teammates, Conner said he hears regularly from Bell.


    “Any time I do something good on the field, I always come back to the locker room to a text from him saying, ‘Good game,’ or ‘Nice move right there,’ ” Conner told Fox Sports.


    Bell’s text to Conner Sunday must have been especially lengthy.


    There was plenty about Conner’s game to praise.
    Ron Cook: rcook@post-gazette.com and Twitter@RonCookPG. Ron Cook can be heard on the “Cook and Joe” show weekdays from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan.


    Ron Cook: James Conner etches name into Steelers record book ...





    How is JC doing compared to rest of the NFL?

    Rushing Touchdowns Leaders - All Players

    **
    JC's stats are through 7 games while Gurley's are through 8 games**

    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN
    1 Todd Gurley II, RB LAR 169 800 4.7 29 6 11 100.0 0 44
    2 James Conner, RB PIT 127 599 4.7 30 7 9 85.6 3 30



    Rushing Yards Leaders - All Players

    *
    JC's and Ezekiel's stats through 7 games while Gurley's are through 8 games*

    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN
    1 Todd Gurley II, RB LAR 169 800 4.7 29 6 11 100.0 0 44
    2 Ezekiel Elliott, RB DAL 132 619 4.7 41 5 3 88.4 2 32
    3 James Conner, RB PIT 127 599 4.7 30 7 9 85.6 3 30


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    Conner cost 15x less then bell - winning

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    He will probably sign wth the Raiders next year. They got a ton of money to spend. How he does is anyone's guess in that awful team situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heltah Skeltah View Post
    He will probably sign wth the Raiders next year. They got a ton of money to spend. How he does is anyone's guess in that awful team situation
    Never see teams go last 2 first? Happens all the time

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    He wants to get released by Steelers to sign a better deal with a contender. The new team will be getting a RB with fresh legs.

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    bell wants guaranteed money and teams don't want to give high guaranteed money like qbs get or top pass rushers get to running backs, which team is going to give bell 50 60 mil guaranteed

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    bell wants guaranteed money and teams don't want to give high guaranteed money like qbs get or top pass rushers get to running backs, which team is going to give bell 50 60 mil guaranteed
    the eagles who have to keep up with the rams and aren't really paying anyone huge money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Conner cost 15x less then bell - winning
    Funny how you guys root for the owners. don't you realize they are gonna do the same to conner? they drafted him because they didn't intend on giving leveon a contract. i just dont like how the league fukk rb's who take the biggest pounding for the team and on average get paid less than everyone except punters and kickers. how do you root against the players but for billionaire owners in a sport you love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    Funny how you guys root for the owners. don't you realize they are gonna do the same to conner? they drafted him because they didn't intend on giving leveon a contract. i just dont like how the league fukk rb's who take the biggest pounding for the team and on average get paid less than everyone except punters and kickers. how do you root against the players but for billionaire owners in a sport you love?
    dunno if he is rooting for the owners or just stating how to win in a hard cap league. if you pay someone what they are worth then you are only making your team more average since you only have so much money to pay everyone else. if you pay someone less than they are worth you are making your team better.

    running backs are worth less than everyone because they depend on the o line. a good running back with a bad o line still does badly. a bad running back with a good o line still does well.
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    Run blocking determines running success way more than a RB will ever do. Pay your O-line rather than a flashy RB.
    And don't get me wrong, RBs should get their nice contracts as well, but there are many good RBs out there. I would like to see guaranteed money in the contracts, but not what Bell is asking, maybe if you score 20 TDs every season..

    The market is what the market is.

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    His backup just as good

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried cheese View Post
    dunno if he is rooting for the owners or just stating how to win in a hard cap league. if you pay someone what they are worth then you are only making your team more average since you only have so much money to pay everyone else. if you pay someone less than they are worth you are making your team better.

    running backs are worth less than everyone because they depend on the o line. a good running back with a bad o line still does badly. a bad running back with a good o line still does well.
    some share that opinion, some don't. which is why i agree with bells pay me or trade me stance. it is a position where you are forced to get your value. if he was average, totally understandable. but only a fool would be ok not getting a top level deal for being a top level player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    Funny how you guys root for the owners. don't you realize they are gonna do the same to conner? they drafted him because they didn't intend on giving leveon a contract. i just dont like how the league fukk rb's who take the biggest pounding for the team and on average get paid less than everyone except punters and kickers. how do you root against the players but for billionaire owners in a sport you love?
    It’s call being smart ? RB can be replace - why overpaid ? Bell has lots of baggage- he’s not a class act like gurly - look at his record

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    Bell is trash person

    Nobody wants that

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried cheese View Post

    dunno if he is rooting for the owners or just stating how to win in a hard cap league. if you pay someone what they are worth then you are only making your team more average since you only have so much money to pay everyone else. if you pay someone less than they are worth you are making your team better.

    running backs are worth less than everyone because they depend on the o line. a good running back with a bad o line still does badly. a bad running back with a good o line still does well.

    Quote Originally Posted by The J-Dizzle View Post
    Run blocking determines running success way more than a RB will ever do. Pay your O-line rather than a flashy RB.
    And don't get me wrong, RBs should get their nice contracts as well, but there are many good RBs out there. I would like to see guaranteed money in the contracts, but not what Bell is asking, maybe if you score 20 TDs every season..

    The market is what the market is.

    Finally a few with a clue....

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    The NFL is about union not capitalism........

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    non story anymore

    Pitt good without him

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    Finally a few with a clue....
    we'll see when he gets 50 million vs. opinions. opinions don't pay bills.

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    He won't play till next year

    And it won't b frrr steelers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    The NFL is about union not capitalism........
    ?????????????????????? yeah, thats why people risk life and limb playing lol

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    I will say this though in Bell's defence...

    I heard on the NFL channel this morning that the Steelers offense has noticeably improved this Year without Bell as if Conner was the reason,which is totally untrue........

    The Steelers offense is drastically improved because Haley was fired which now allows Ben freedom to change and call plays as he wished,period dot end of the story.....

    I'm surprised Cleveland fired Haley as well since Cleveland is loserville who is boneheaded on important decisions....

    If they had a clue they would of never hired him in the 1st place...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    we'll see when he gets 50 million vs. opinions. opinions don't pay bills.
    And we'll see that team never make the postseason because they spent all their money on Bell and no longer can afford quality players in most of the other positions........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    I will say this though in Bell's defence...

    I heard on the NFL channel this morning that the Steelers offense has noticeably improved this Year without Bell as if Conner was the reason,which is totally untrue........

    The Steelers offense is drastically improved because Haley was fired which now allows Ben freedom to change and call plays as he wished,period dot end of the story.....

    I'm surprised Cleveland fired Haley as well since Cleveland is loserville who is boneheaded on important decisions....

    If they had a clue they would of never hired him in the 1st place...........
    also i've seen games where they have been more commited to the run with conner. i think bell was viewed so much as a dual threat that it influenced the balance more toward the pass. with the receivers and te's they have, conner is a good fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    And we'll see that team never make the postseason because they spent all their money on Bell and no longer can afford quality players in most of the other positions........
    not if its the eagles.

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    There is only one position that doesn't grow on trees and that the Quarterback position.....
    However
    With all the rule changes that favor average joe QB's it won't be long until QB's do grow on trees....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    we'll see when he gets 50 million vs. opinions. opinions don't pay bills.

    I think he turned down 70 million from the Steelers this past off season

    I doubt 50 would get it done

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    not if its the eagles.
    Lol............

    Eagles lost players already because they had to trim their salary cap by the tune of 10 mil..

    Also they're not stupid...............

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    Nobody could run through a brick wall, you need the OL to create space for your RB. That's why owner rather pay for OL then RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy007oc View Post
    Nobody could run through a brick wall, you need the OL to create space for your RB. That's why owner rather pay for OL then RB.
    Without an O Line there is no offense.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    we'll see when he gets 50 million vs. opinions. opinions don't pay bills.
    Le'Veon Bell reportedly turned down a monstrous $70 million deal from the Steelers


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    Bell's style is ESPECIALLY dependent on a great O line

    you think he can dance in place for 1.5 secs behind just any ole offensive line and scheme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post

    Without an O Line there is no offense.......
    The better your O-line,the more time of your possessions...

    The more time of your possessions,the better your Defense will perform.......

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    nfl doesn't guarantee that contract. .we've covered this in other threads ad nauseam. pretty sure about 35 mil was guaranteed if i rember correctly. he gets that in about 2 years lol

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    The NY Giants are the perfect example of how important a star running back
    is to the success of an NFL team.........

    Their O-line might be the worst in the NFL as well........

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