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  • JBC77
    SBR MVP
    • 03-23-07
    • 3816

    #1
    U.S firepower-declassfied, no one can f!@# with the U.S...
    Future Weapons on the Military Channel. It's funny because it's almost like a defense contractor sales show. It's hosted by an ex-Navy Seal. I can't even begin to describe the sick stuff they have on here. Attack helicopters with no pilot, versions of the Predator that are full scale....hovering above your position for hours. Grenade launchers that fire @ a rate of 40 grenades per minute. Remote weapons stations that you drop off, monitor by cam and await your enemy.(replacement for mines)

    This is just the stuff thats declassified. Can you imagine the evil, heinous stuff we have locked up in the private closet.

    Anyone ever see this show?
  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #2
    That "MOB" mother of all bombs which is 40 tons of TNT is enough to cause me to leave the country if the US attacks. Said to be like an internal human blender for anyone up to 8 miles away. No thanks.
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    • JBC77
      SBR MVP
      • 03-23-07
      • 3816

      #3
      John, it's almost unfathomable to think about what the military has under classified status.

      You would think, with todays technology and the U.S military budget, we have the capacity to destroy a fairly large country very quickly. I'm talking about a situation where we were openly attacked by a nuclear power. What we have biologically would be equally scary. I don't know, just imagine the worlds best scientists with an unlimited spending budget and a mission to design weapons of un-matched destruction. Thats us. Can't hurt to bet on the favorite sometimes.
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      • ZeRo C@iDa*
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        • 09-20-07
        • 77

        #4
        Luv the show....
        I was blown away when they covered Metal Storm*
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        • WileOut
          SBR MVP
          • 02-04-07
          • 3844

          #5
          We would never have to resort to biological weapons. We could win any war with any nation, breaking the rules would not make any sense. Biological and Chemical stuff is used by groups with not enough straight firepower. Using biological weapons for us would be like the New England Patriots stealing defensive signs. Its just not necessary, they can already blowout opponents


          But on a serious note, what is really scary is about 50 years into the future when terrorists have access to all the stuff you are seeing on that military show. The end may be closer than people think. We are going to be seeing those grenade launchers being placed in times square and around the capital and everywhere else in the country. WW3 may very well be the end of everything.
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          • JBC77
            SBR MVP
            • 03-23-07
            • 3816

            #6
            Originally posted by WileOut
            We would never have to resort to biological weapons. We could win any war with any nation, breaking the rules would not make any sense. Biological and Chemical stuff is used by groups with not enough straight firepower. Using biological weapons for us would be like the New England Patriots stealing defensive signs. Its just not necessary, they can already blowout opponents


            But on a serious note, what is really scary is about 50 years into the future when terrorists have access to all the stuff you are seeing on that military show. The end may be closer than people think. We are going to be seeing those grenade launchers being placed in times square and around the capital and everywhere else in the country. WW3 may very well be the end of everything.

            Great points. I would think the U.S could use biological weapons in an undercover fashion. Say, secretly release "something" on a rogue nation.....like Iran. I don't know how well the reverse engineering on these viruses works to track the source. Don't know if it's viable.

            Your dead on about terrorists getting the big weapons. It's getting easier. Nuclear technology has proliferated, not just to wealthy nations.

            We face a grave situation today.....as it looks as if our "buddy boy" in Pakistan may fall. If that happens the nukes fall into radical muslim hands......we will have to respond.

            (If you post in this thread......keep this sh1t out of the rubber room)
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            • jolub
              SBR High Roller
              • 08-28-07
              • 233

              #7
              Yes, the U.S. has the best weapons in the world but as always they aren't willing to use them.
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              • JBC77
                SBR MVP
                • 03-23-07
                • 3816

                #8
                If you think about it........it would be the perfect situation. We are absolutely dying to get into Pakistan. The perfect excuse. All the terrorists are hiding there. Bin Laden......the American kid, Adam Yahiye Gadahn. If our "buddy Boy" goes down.....we are going to f!@#$ that place up. Bet your a$$ we're monitoring that situation closely.
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                • SBR Lou
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-02-07
                  • 37863

                  #9
                  Whats comforting is not having the means to destroy another country, what would be comforting is having people of high integrity and morality in charge.
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                  • atakdog
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 09-04-07
                    • 139

                    #10
                    Re biological weapons: maybe we wouldn't ever use them, but golly, I guess we've developed weaponized anthrax and souped-up smallpox just in case.

                    You sure you trust our leaders not to break out the good stuff?
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                    • SBR_John
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-12-05
                      • 16471

                      #11
                      No doubt they would be used but not in some minor regional conflict. They are reserved for some main event type show down.
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                      • tacomax
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 9619

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WileOut
                        We would never have to resort to biological weapons. We could win any war with any nation, breaking the rules would not make any sense. Biological and Chemical stuff is used by groups with not enough straight firepower.
                        Did the USA win the Vietnam war? Have they won the Iraq war after all this time? Did the USA resort to biological weapons in Vietnam? Incidentally, the answers are no, no and yes respectively.
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                        • atakdog
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                          • 09-04-07
                          • 139

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tacomax
                          Did the USA win the Vietnam war? Have they won the Iraq war after all this time? Did the USA resort to biological weapons in Vietnam? Incidentally, the answers are no, no and yes respectively.
                          Ah, but remember -- we didn't have enough conventional firepower to win in Vietnam, and don't have enough to win in Iraq, because in each case it would take enough bombs to turn the entire country to glass. When we didn't kill every living soul in Vietnam, we lost; if we don't do the same in Iraq, we lose. And there's your temptation to use biologicals...

                          If we could figure out whom we're trying to kill in Iraq, we'd break out the nerve gas and the diseases. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't been paying attention, to either recent history or human nature.
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                          • swifty
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 02-22-06
                            • 672

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jolub
                            Yes, the U.S. has the best weapons in the world but as always they aren't willing to use them.
                            yeah I would have to agree with you on this one. they should use the best weapons
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                            • WileOut
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                              • 02-04-07
                              • 3844

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tacomax
                              Did the USA win the Vietnam war? Have they won the Iraq war after all this time? Did the USA resort to biological weapons in Vietnam? Incidentally, the answers are no, no and yes respectively.
                              Incidentally you are dead wrong on all counts.

                              Yes we won Iraq very quickly, it took less than a month to take the capital city, oust sadaam and the bathists from power, and completely take over the whole government. That is called winning the war. Its simply a guerilla war now which is not a real war. Its just civilians and para military groups fighting in the streets. We beat their government military which was the objective. This is an area that the media has people brainwashed so they tune into the 'Iraq War'. The Iraq war ended almost as soon as it started. We TKO'd them about 8 seconds into round 1.

                              Same thing in Vietnam. They didnt have the firepower to match us so they resorted to guerilla type jungle fighting which leveled the playing field. If we wanted to we could have nuked Vietnam into the stone age and they could have done nothing about it. We never used biological weapons in Vietnam or anywhere else. Show me a trustworth source. Emphasis on trustworthy.
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                              • louisvillekid
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                                • 08-14-07
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                                #16
                                i've seen the show, the thing is most of those weapons will never be used in mass fashion. there just fancy prototypes. on the subject of nuclear weapons, small countries will have a hard time ever trying to hit us with a nuke, with are constant satellite monoriting we would be all over a launch, the only way is to smuggle it into here. and yes, we can easily take out a country, but the problem there lies in taking innocent lives(and that is debateble), you look at the situation in Iraq, you basically have kurds in the north, sunni's in the middle, and shiite's in the south, or at least thats how it was when saddam ruled, and all of them hate each other, because of their difference in their strong beliefs, we were led to believe we were going to give democracy, to who? all of them. you can't forcefeed democracy on people who have beliefs that date back 1000's of years. if we were told they were going to basically split iraq into 3 counties, that would probably work better. the sunni party was saddam's party, they were the so-called bad people, now, just recently, the US has said we are going to arm them to fight against the shiites, WTF?, this shit will drag on between these people till the end of time. anyone remember the no-fly zones in iraq, that basically contained saddams army in the middle of the state, so the kurds were safe in the north and the shiites in the south. now with all that said, there will NEVER be peace in the middle east, because none of them(arab countries) except the jewish state of israel.
                                i've babbled on long enough.

                                also did anyone see the show iraq diaries on the military channel. there was one part where they were going to eat, they came up on this big tent, and there was all these trucks lined up and generators and stuff. kind of looked like something you would see at your state fair, anyway the guys go in to get a meal, i think it was like 1 meat, 2 veggies, a fruit, maybe a roll and a cookie, basically a glorified school lunch, now what got me was when the dude said halliburton(?) charged the government $35 a plate and most guys grab 2 plates, $70 for a glorified school lunch,thats just pathetic.
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                                • jjgold
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-20-05
                                  • 388179

                                  #17
                                  China would bury us in a fair world, they are the sleeping giant.
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                                  • louisvillekid
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                                    • 08-14-07
                                    • 9262

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by WileOut
                                    Incidentally you are dead wrong on all counts.

                                    Yes we won Iraq very quickly, it took less than a month to take the capital city, oust sadaam and the bathists from power, and completely take over the whole government. That is called winning the war. Its simply a guerilla war now which is not a real war. Its just civilians and para military groups fighting in the streets. We beat their government military which was the objective. This is an area that the media has people brainwashed so they tune into the 'Iraq War'. The Iraq war ended almost as soon as it started. We TKO'd them about 8 seconds into round 1.

                                    Same thing in Vietnam. They didnt have the firepower to match us so they resorted to guerilla type jungle fighting which leveled the playing field. If we wanted to we could have nuked Vietnam into the stone age and they could have done nothing about it. We never used biological weapons in Vietnam or anywhere else. Show me a trustworth source. Emphasis on trustworthy.
                                    thats exactly true about the "real" war with iraq. we shut'em down. i'm so tired of hearing about if we don't kill or stop the terrorists, they'll come over here and get us. what? come get us, they don't have an army, much less an air force or navy, i don't think were ever going to see them coming across the atlantic in an armada of rafts and john-boats with hand-me-down rifles and weapons. the hatred will never stop, the best you can do is separate and contain, thtas why that country basically needs to be broke into 3 countries or territories.
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                                    • SBR Lou
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 08-02-07
                                      • 37863

                                      #19
                                      The only reason Iraq isn't a parking garage is because of oil interests around there. I do believe we are there to aid in establishing a democracy, because they may then bend over willingly for us.
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                                      • MAXWELL
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 10-17-06
                                        • 28

                                        #20
                                        Arms Dealers!

                                        Originally posted by crazyl
                                        The only reason Iraq isn't a parking garage is because of oil interests around there. I do believe we are there to aid in establishing a democracy, because they may then bend over willingly for us.
                                        Guys.....Its very scary to think that we have all these great new weapons that other contries want. As I recall, we sell alot of arms to other countries. THATS THE SCARY PART. What if we sell these new weapons to an "allie", who then give them up to some third world country who just wants to make a statement. Very scary!
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                                        • LargeMouthBass
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 03-18-07
                                          • 1095

                                          #21
                                          Well, our tax money at work...
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                                          • IWishIWasRich
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 09-11-07
                                            • 104

                                            #22
                                            Let's stock up on everything, I am sure we will need it all down the road.
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                                            • tacomax
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                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 9619

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              Incidentally you are dead wrong on all counts.
                                              Really?

                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              Yes we won Iraq very quickly, it took less than a month to take the capital city, oust sadaam and the bathists from power, and completely take over the whole government. That is called winning the war.
                                              OK. Let's look at what's out there. Wikipedia might not be 100% accurate but it's still a good basis for documenting current events:



                                              The Iraq War, also known as the Occupation of Iraq, the Second Gulf War, or in the U.S., Operation Iraqi Freedom, is an ongoing conflict which began on March 20, 2003 with the United States-led invasion of Iraq.

                                              Well the word "ongoing" seems to suggest that the war isn't actually over. And if the war was over in 2003 then why are the US troops fighting their illegal war right now? Why did the US send over more troops this year? Bit strange that when the war has been won, more troops are required.

                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              Its simply a guerilla war now which is not a real war. Its just civilians and para military groups fighting in the streets. We beat their government military which was the objective. This is an area that the media has people brainwashed so they tune into the 'Iraq War'. The Iraq war ended almost as soon as it started. We TKO'd them about 8 seconds into round 1.
                                              A guerrilla war is still a war. That's why it's called a guerrilla war.

                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              Same thing in Vietnam. They didnt have the firepower to match us so they resorted to guerilla type jungle fighting which leveled the playing field. If we wanted to we could have nuked Vietnam into the stone age and they could have done nothing about it.
                                              So now are you going to say that the Vietnam War wasn't a real war since it was a guerrilla war? You totally fail to grasp the concept of war. Just because the US had air and weapon superiority doesn't mean that they were going to win. What the Vietnamese lacked in firepower they made up tactically. This isn't a game of Risk when a bigger army is always going to win, you know.

                                              Think of it another way. It is pretty hard to argue that the USA has the best basketball team in the world, mainly because they're basically the only country who plays it. So why have they not won the World Basketball Championship since 1994?

                                              Incidentally, did the US win in Vietnam? From what I recall, the Americans left pretty damn quickly after the fall of Saigon in Operation Frequent Wind. Do you class that as a victory? Perhaps you have watched too many Hollywood films who have a habit of re-writing history.

                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              We never used biological weapons in Vietnam or anywhere else. Show me a trustworth source. Emphasis on trustworthy.
                                              OK - I'll pass it to you. Would you class Agent Orange as a chemical or biological weapon?
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                                              • louisvillekid
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                                                • 08-14-07
                                                • 9262

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tacomax
                                                Really

                                                Well the word "ongoing" seems to suggest that the war isn't actually over. And if the war was over in 2003 then why are the US troops fighting their illegal war right now? Why did the US send over more troops this year? Bit strange that when the war has been won, more troops are required.



                                                A guerrilla war is still a war. That's why it's called a guerrilla war.



                                                So now are you going to say that the Vietnam War wasn't a real war since it was a guerrilla war? You totally fail to grasp the concept of war. Just because the US had air and weapon superiority doesn't mean that they were going to win. What the Vietnamese lacked in firepower they made up tactically. This isn't a game of Risk when a bigger army is always going to win, you know.

                                                Think of it another way. It is pretty hard to argue that the USA has the best basketball team in the world, mainly because they're basically the only country who plays it. So why have they not won the World Basketball Championship since 1994?

                                                Incidentally, did the US win in Vietnam? From what I recall, the Americans left pretty damn quickly after the fall of Saigon in Operation Frequent Wind. Do you class that as a victory? Perhaps you have watched too many Hollywood films who have a habit of re-writing history.



                                                OK - I'll pass it to you. Would you class Agent Orange as a chemical or biological weapon?
                                                Taco, man you have to look at it from what the american public was led to beleive. the government rode that 9/11 stuff and hyped up iraq and used them as a scapegoat. it would be different if our leaders said they were going in to help the kurds or the shiites against the sunnis. now i don't know if our leaders were that stupid or just that arrogant to think they could topple saddams army and it would be sunshine and flowers over there, or was this their plan all along just to use more tax dollars to feed the wallets of all their stocks going up from companies they are vested in.
                                                yes guerilla war is still war, but the american public wasn't led to believe we were going to be policeing the whole country and playing an advanced game of cat-n-mouse in the streets.
                                                the bottom line is our leaders got support for this debacle because most of america have the simpleminded redneck mentality of "killem' all and let god sortem' out".

                                                and yes agent orange is a chemical weapon, but it was used mainly as clearing out brush to try and expose the enemy. and my use of the word "enemy" is debateble, kind of hard to know who the enemy is when your on foot going from village to village and you don't know whos on your side or if the little ten year old that just smiled at you is going to shoot you or throw a grenade at you.

                                                and the US hasn't won the world games in basketball because our athletes are all about "me, me, me".
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                                                • cincy_1
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 01-10-06
                                                  • 107

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by WileOut
                                                  IThat is called winning the war. Its simply a guerilla war now which is not a real war. Its just civilians and para military groups fighting in the streets.
                                                  HUH?

                                                  It's still war, it's just a different tactic. Does the US now tell people HOW to fight wars too?

                                                  If you have issues with a GUERILLA WAR, I bet you must have real problems with soething that is REAL DUMB ... which is the "War on Terror" that involves phone-tapping
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                                                  • WileOut
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-04-07
                                                    • 3844

                                                    #26
                                                    The war with Iraq was over quick. America is fighting jihadists from Iraq and other countries now. Its not a real war anymore. America has the ability to kill every person in Iraq and its surrounding countries but there is no reason to do that because america is not at war anymore. When usa went to war they went and ended it.

                                                    Here is the main point listen close. Wars end when one government takes over the country of the other government and completely ousts people in power. That is what america did to Iraq. Therefore the real war is over. Now its just jihadists shooting at american troops. Its not war.

                                                    Guerilla war can be real war. In this case its not though because america already won. Its just guerilla fighting. Its not guerilla war.
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                                                    • Stumpage
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-21-05
                                                      • 2906

                                                      #27
                                                      I didn't see the show, but I've often wondered if the US, or any nation for that matter, has made any progress on Neurological weaponry? It's a terrifying concept and something I hope is nowhere close to reality.

                                                      I forget the book, but I once read of a weapon called "The Scrambler". Basically a high-orbit, massive yield pulse weapon that would disable all cognitive and motor-skill functions of any soldiers/civilians unfortunate enough to be in the pulse radius. Effectively, it would simultaneously turn thousands, tens of thousands, of people into an incurable state of palsy, with total loss of all bodily functions and movement.

                                                      That's always scared the hell out of me ever since I read it, and I sincerely hope it was just the imaginative mind of a good author, and not the somewhat veiled facts of somebody "in the know" about those sorts of things. Wouldn't surprise me though, with the amount of research, time and money that goes into weapons development.....
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                                                      • tacomax
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                                                        • 08-10-05
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by WileOut
                                                        The war with Iraq was over quick. America is fighting jihadists from Iraq and other countries now. Its not a real war anymore. America has the ability to kill every person in Iraq and its surrounding countries but there is no reason to do that because america is not at war anymore. When usa went to war they went and ended it.
                                                        It is still a war.

                                                        Here's a column from The Economist which talks about trying to "end the war in Iraq" and "to change the course of the war in Iraq". Maybe you should drop them a line and tell them the war is actually over.



                                                        While you're at it, contact Senator Jon Tester who is under the impression that "we're still fighting a war in Iraq".




                                                        Originally posted by WileOut
                                                        Here is the main point listen close. Wars end when one government takes over the country of the other government and completely ousts people in power. That is what america did to Iraq. Therefore the real war is over. Now its just jihadists shooting at american troops. Its not war.
                                                        Again, I think you've been watching too many Hollywood films. You said America won the Vietnam War but I can't recall that they took "over the country of the other government and completely ousts people in power". I thought they left the country pretty damn quickly when it was obviously they were about to get ambushed in Saigon.

                                                        Originally posted by WileOut
                                                        Guerilla war can be real war. In this case its not though because america already won. Its just guerilla fighting. Its not guerilla war.
                                                        Now you're not making any sense at all. You originally said that Iraq was "simply a guerilla war now which is not a real war". Now you're saying guerrilla war can be a real war. And then that Iraq is no longer a guerrilla war but guerrilla fighting. If you kept a static point of view in the space of 24 hours then what you say may have some merit.
                                                        Originally posted by pags11
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                                                        • ZeRo C@iDa*
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 09-20-07
                                                          • 77

                                                          #29
                                                          I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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