Outright theft by SBG and Royal confirmed by SBR! New victims appearing daily

**Bill Dozer** · 10-18-07, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

How is this one coming along right now for you curious, is it all resolved yet or no?

I am scheduled to interview the handicapper tomorrow and will see what he will allow me to share about his wagers. He also had a healthy account that is frozen. I am told by him and a few players that this is unresolved.

**ShamsWoof10** · 10-18-07, 11:47 PM

Sorry to hear about that curious.. I hope they get your money to you... I had problems with them years ago as I mentioned in the past but I thought they were ok for anything under 5K... It's not worth the risk...

NOW THIS IS THEFT PEOPLE!!!

**biggamer3** · 10-18-07, 11:54 PM

Wait you claim to be a 70% capper?

**curious** · 10-18-07, 11:55 PM

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**curious** · 10-18-07, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

How is this one coming along right now for you curious, is it all resolved yet or no?

Bet Royal does nothing but lie to us. This is not resolved. I have a strong feeling that SBG/Bet Royal plan on robbing us unless someone can bring pressure on them that they care about.

**DrunkenLullaby** · 10-19-07, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by ShamsWoof10

NOW THIS IS THEFT PEOPLE!!!

But their terms and conditions say...

"4.9 Collusion or attempted fraud

BetRoyal reserves the right to void any or all wagers made by any person or group of persons acting in an attempt to defraud BetRoyal. Where there is evidence of a series of wagers each containing the same selection(s) having been placed by or for the same individual or syndicate of individuals, BetRoyal reserves the right to make wagers void or withhold payment of winnings pending the outcome of any investigation."

Therefore, Curious is a shot-taker, right?

P.S. Curious, the above is just for argument's sake with my buddy Shams. I DO believe you are NOT a shot-taker and should most certainly be paid if your story is true.

**curious** · 10-19-07, 07:51 AM

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**ShamsWoof10** · 10-19-07, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby

But their terms and conditions say...

"4.9 Collusion or attempted fraud

BetRoyal reserves the right to void any or all wagers made by any person or group of persons acting in an attempt to defraud BetRoyal. Where there is evidence of a series of wagers each containing the same selection(s) having been placed by or for the same individual or syndicate of individuals, BetRoyal reserves the right to make wagers void or withhold payment of winnings pending the outcome of any investigation."

Therefore, Curious is a shot-taker, right?

P.S. Curious, the above is just for argument's sake with my buddy Shams. I DO believe you are NOT a shot-taker and should most certainly be paid if your story is true.

Hey Curious ...relax dude...

Drunken'... I have read as much as I could about Curious's and others case involving Royal... From what curious has said I do not believe he is neither a shot taker nor a syndicate.... I have read a lot of curious's posts throughout the summer and it's well known he belongs to a pick service.. Ask Bateman...

That being said I don't think curious's actions qualify as fraud or any violation of the T&A... One of the main reason's that sticks out to me is he did exactly what I ask players to do.. Notify the book of your actions... He did that on many occassions and this was known by the book months ago and the book knew all the parties involved...

Royal should investigate as their terms say they can... but when they if they find nothing then curious should get paid...

This is my take on it so far...

**DrunkenLullaby** · 10-19-07, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by curious

I don't really understand what this means. I don't know what a shot taker is. This is really simple and I am getting really pissed off at jackasses who are trying to twist this into something it isn't.

Duuuuude! Please re-read the "P.S." part of my post. I'm with you, not against you! My point in posting that "rule" was that my buddy Shams is defending Sportsbook.com based on their (in my opinion) extremely loosely written rule, but taking your side here against Royal's vague rule - which seems, dare I say, "inconsistent".

to all, including Shams.

**BatemanPatrickl** · 10-19-07, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by ShamsWoof10

Hey Curious ...relax dude...

Drunken'... I have read as much as I could about Curious's and others case involving Royal... From what curious has said I do not believe he is neither a shot taker nor a syndicate.... I have read a lot of curious's posts throughout the summer and it's well known he belongs to a pick service.. Ask Bateman...

That being said I don't think curious's actions qualify as fraud or any violation of the T&A... One of the main reason's that sticks out to me is he did exactly what I ask players to do.. Notify the book of your actions... He did that on many occassions and this was known by the book months ago and the book knew all the parties involved...

Royal should investigate as their terms say they can... but when they if they find nothing then curious should get paid...

This is my take on it so far...

Curious has said he suscribes to pick services so that is pretty much a fact; if he makes more money than he spends on his picks, more power to him.

**BigJayCT** · 10-19-07, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by curious

I don't really understand what this means. I don't know what a shot taker is. This is really simple and I am getting really pissed off at jackasses who are trying to twist this into something it isn't. I will explain it:
1. A handicapper has a web site, this person is a radio personality in Connecticut.
2. People go to the web site and subscribe to his service. It ain't cheap. $6,000 for a season of all sports.
3. Bet Royal made an arrangement with the handicapper a long time ago that he would send his customers to them.
4. Every day we are given the picks.
5. Each subscriber to the service at a time of their choosing and for amounts of their choosing bets according to the picks.

How can this possibly be wrong in any way shape or form? SBG knew that Bet Royal had this arrangement with the handicapper when they bought Bet Royal. The only "link" between these accounts is the referral that the handicapper was given when he sent one of his customers to Bet Royal.

Bet Royal's basic argument is that because we were betting the same plays we were somehow "defrauding" them. They are only saying this because we win so much. If we had lost do you really think this would be happening?

The V.P. of marketing at Bet Royal who had been taking care of the handicapper's customers for a long time resigned in disgust at this treatment of her customers.

man that sucks the same guy referred me, although im not a subscriber to his picks due to the fact they r to expensive for this small time gambler, but he wins no doubt. my acount was never frozen granted im nowhere near the amount of cash u mentioned ealier or the 100 bucks per star this capper uses..so im thinking its because im a little man gambler that i have no issues. i have withdrew money a few times since he went public with this and no issues what so ever. i really feel bad the guy wins a lot hes one of the best in the biz and now u guys r punished for it hope u guys win good luck to u all

**Justin7** · 10-19-07, 10:33 AM

I'm sorry you were robbed - I hope it turns out ok.

How do you know if a book will screw a winning player? If they have a promotion so good, you open an account for that sole reason.

SBG advertised 3-team 6-point NFL teasers at +200 at the start of this year. Any sharp will bury a book that does this; this promotion is about as ridiculous as selling off the "3" for 10 cents. While I'd bet they have other money leaks, this one problem guarantees that they will either go bankrupt, or steal from winning players.

Do your homework before sending money to these crap-books.

**curious** · 10-19-07, 10:42 AM

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**ShamsWoof10** · 10-19-07, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by curious

I am new to sportsbetting. I made my first sportsbet in June. I only got involved in it because I trust the handicapper and he told me I could trust the people at Bet Royal. I was on the phone with Bet Royal on a daily basis. Saying things like "XXXXX (The handicapper) says to bet $N on the Blue Jays, does that mean I risk $N or I bet to win $N"? Being brand new I needed a lot of hand holding in the early days.

There is no way that Bet Royal / SBG did not know that I follow the handicappers picks. We discussed it almost every day.

I rarely believe anyone's story as 100% but in this case I will say that I believe what Curious is saying 100%... From reading his posts and battles with Pat as well as a few other things I noticed since he became a member; I feel his story adds up and I don't think he violated their T&A even with how vague it is....

**curious** · 10-19-07, 10:56 AM

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**ShamsWoof10** · 10-19-07, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by curious

I'll tell you how I feel about being a sportsbook customer. The only thing that a sportsbook and its customer have is trust. The sportsbook has to be able to trust the customer just as much as the customer has to be able to trust the sportsbook. I was very careful (or so I thought) not to do ANYTHING that would make it look like I could not be trusted. I did not scalp. I did not take advantage of big line moves. I did not take advantage of "special promotions". I did not ask for referral bonuses for people I sent there. I did not try to collect reload bonuses. (Which I could have if I wanted to). I did not take advantage of lines that were clearly wrong. Hell, I called Bet Royal a few times to tell them that their line was clearly wrong.

I really thought that I had a good relationship with this book.

Given the win rate that both the paid pick service and my own picks have had this year I don't need to do anything but make straight bets on whatever lines are offered as long as the line is somewhat reasonable. Anything other than doing that would just be a distraction. You can't afford to be distracted if you want to be successful in this business.

By the way ...I have been meaning to tell you this for a long time now.....

NICE TITS!!!

**hudson15** · 10-19-07, 02:41 PM

what handicapper are you using that has this huge following as well as was reccomending betroyal?

**curious** · 10-19-07, 02:43 PM

latest with Bet Royal and SBG

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**ShamsWoof10** · 10-19-07, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by curious

I just checked my accounts and they both have had their balances set to zero.

You have more then one account with them..?

**curious** · 10-19-07, 03:14 PM

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**Bill Dozer** · 10-19-07, 03:29 PM

I just spoke with Sebastian, the radio personality from CT. He referred these players to Royal. SBG could clearly see how the source and how the accounts were connected. After winning during baseball and winning through the first part of football they froze the accounts.

This morning they announced that players will not receive their winnings.

**DrunkenLullaby** · 10-19-07, 03:48 PM

That's some seriously f-ed up shit.

**curious** · 10-19-07, 03:52 PM

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**pokernut9999** · 10-19-07, 04:03 PM

And people say betting with locals is a bad idea ?

**curious** · 10-19-07, 04:08 PM

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**Patrick McIrish** · 10-19-07, 04:28 PM

Curious, you've done nothing wrong from what is posted. Whether or not Royal knew you were following Sebastian's picks is not even relevant. You can play your own, play the next door neighbor's pet goat or throw darts, the reason they are trying to take your money is because you have won. That's all. You guys following Sebastian have done nothing, otherwise a book could take money from every player they have that follows Dr Bob for example? Just another Sportsbook type of move where a book is trying to take something that does not belong to them. It's bad out here now, getting worse.

**bigboydan** · 10-20-07, 02:06 AM

I feel for you curious

**20Four7** · 10-20-07, 08:39 AM

Wow curious GL to you. I got another 1K out of them yesterday. I tried to get 4K since they allowed moneybookers up to 10K according to their web site but was told via the phone the web site is wrong and only 1K withdrawal will be allowed. I think I have to bank wire the balance out of there. I wish I knew at what point they come after ya. I have withdrawn 3K still have almost 4K there all from $700.

**bigboydan** · 10-20-07, 09:53 PM

It shows that you can multiple transactions via Moneybookers.

$1,000 Multiple transactions allowed is what it states via moneybookers.

They should have changed it after you called them out on it 20four7. This is yet another reason this books rating is a "D-"

**Hap** · 10-20-07, 10:33 PM

I am new here tonight, and have just now read this thread.

My experience with Betroyal is almost identical to Curious. I am a client of Sebastian, whose record over the last 6 months is awesome, and my Betroyal account grew.

I never thought my profits would be confiscated (stolen) like this. Curious is telling it exactly like it is. It cost me $8000 to find out that I should bet at theGreek, WSEX, and other sites that have good SBR ratings.

Thanks to SBR for this service, so that I can go forward with some confidence that this will not happen to me again.

I will also be glad to add my voice in other forums if it will get revenge on Betroyal.

**rotty508** · 10-21-07, 12:50 AM

bet royals 3rd victim

Just thought after reading this whole thread i would drop a line letting you know they got me as well. I was betting roughly the same as curious and didnt think having 13k in an account was that "big time" especially since i was referred by someone i knew was betting as lot more then me(handicapper). I did get a few payouts without any problem other then they are slow to process but as long as it arrived i figured that was ok. My last check they sent they stopped payment on without even notifying me. I found out when my bank contacted me letting me know my account was in the negative.

**SBR_John** · 10-21-07, 01:16 AM

New victims daily. It never stops with these guys.

Its gut wrenching painful to read all of these first hand accounts of blatant theft. Its so hard to win sports betting and then to have it stolen by two-bit thugs is just too much.

Roty and Hap welcome to the SBRForum. Sure wish we could have met sooner.