[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Kinda silly argument^^... apples and oranges.

It's one thing running turbos for dailies... cuz no one wants to play 4-5 hours a day for 600pts tops.

The Final is clearly different for myriad reasons (5k prize, etc.) BUT, not the least of which is going from 30-40 players to a maxed out 100 players; flipping for stacks on the final table in the dailies vs. 9 other players is a tad bit different than flipping for stacks w/50 players left... dontcha think? Uh... yeah (flipping for stacks not necessarily required to make the FT of a daily, just 1 difference of a few).

Of course the same names appear @ top of leaderboard in dailies cuz there's strategy to turbos, too. But again, a 40 player max tourney is way different than a 100 max one (should be obvious) and to employ a structure where next to everyone is flipping for stacks @ 50 players left is really silly & dumb, IMO.

BTW, changing for a final event isn't a new concept in competition. Remember when the NFL changed the OT rules of the regular season for the playoffs/Super Bowl few years back? WHY?... cuz they deemed it different than the regular season... more important... so new rules needed to apply. Obviously not comparing SBR to NFL... I'm comparing the Big Picture concept/idea that Final competitions are more significant than regular/daily ones. Most grasp that concept, I think.

[thetrinity]

For one, I was fine with a daily structure in the championship if you kept it to 40 players. Obviously, with 100 players, you need more play, which is what we have. The finals will be a little longer, and heads up won't be all-in/fold. I'd say the majority are happy.

[smitch124]

I can basically never play at 2PM PST on Saturday. I need 40 minute levels and 10000 starting chips

[Auto Donk]

So why run the format as such for the qualifiers. Make them all last 5-6 hours if we really want to let the "real" poker come to the front. The faster structure is real poker, its just a different variation. Stars, party and all had faster/turbo blind limit structures and the same people seemed to continue to make money with the "bingo" game. Remember Boku (cant remember rest) guy made both his nothing to 100k runs playing primarily turbos. And you guys want to call the structure bingo but seem to forget the same people finish near the top of the standings every year so there is obviously something strategy wise to it (and daily play of course)

If we were playing a series of tourneys I could see doing it with a changed structure but to change formats this drastically for one tourney makes no sense. Its literally one tourney with a $5,000 prize, a few prizes approaching value of maybe a grand and then a drop down to a few hundred bucks tops with around 100 players. And then we got 50 Phil Iveys yelling that a longer structure will allow their " real" poker skill to outshine the "bingo" players.

I'll play it, not above anything of course I just think if were gonna play these as tournaments we should make something similar for the daily tournaments as well. Maybe 4-5 hour dailies and then the 6 plus hour final won't seem so extreme. This way the REAL poker can come out.

[BeerDog99]

So why run the format as such for the qualifiers. Make them all last 5-6 hours if we really want to let the "real" poker come to the front. The faster structure is real poker, its just a different variation. Stars, party and all had faster/turbo blind limit structures and the same people seemed to continue to make money with the "bingo" game. Remember Boku (cant remember rest) guy made both his nothing to 100k runs playing primarily turbos. And you guys want to call the structure bingo but seem to forget the same people finish near the top of the standings every year so there is obviously something strategy wise to it (and daily play of course)

If we were playing a series of tourneys I could see doing it with a changed structure but to change formats this drastically for one tourney makes no sense. Its literally one tourney with a $5,000 prize, a few prizes approaching value of maybe a grand and then a drop down to a few hundred bucks tops with around 100 players. And then we got 50 Phil Iveys yelling that a longer structure will allow their " real" poker skill to outshine the "bingo" players.

I'll play it, not above anything of course I just think if were gonna play these as tournaments we should make something similar for the daily tournaments as well. Maybe 4-5 hour dailies and then the 6 plus hour final won't seem so extreme. This way the REAL poker can come out.

Not to pile on, I would suggest my biggest issue with the turbos (especially on SBR, given you can only play one per day) is that you make one bad play or get a bad beat early on, you are crippled and are almost out the door. For the big tourney, given I am not in the top tier of player, I like getting some room to make a bad play or absorb a bad beat.

Good luck all!

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Doggie... let's run the ol "Harlem Shuffle" on downsouth tomorrow and knock him out... EARLY.

You remember how it goes, right?

And yeah... I'm still Meadowlark and you're still Curly Neal when we run it... 'k?

Let's wait for a good spot, tho... so he'll at first have a lil confidence and then.... SLAM BAM THANK YOU, MA'AM!!!... to the fukkin rail he goes.

Gonna be sooo sweet... just like ol times you & me.
And remember, if at any time you're unsure when we're gonna run it... just look for me to yell, "OMAHA!" in the chat box, just like Peyton. Then it's game on like donkey kong, buddy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVh0GrYaC8M&spfreload=10

[aggieshawn]

So why run the format as such for the qualifiers. Make them all last 5-6 hours if we really want to let the "real" poker come to the front. The faster structure is real poker, its just a different variation. Stars, party and all had faster/turbo blind limit structures and the same people seemed to continue to make money with the "bingo" game. Remember Boku (cant remember rest) guy made both his nothing to 100k runs playing primarily turbos. And you guys want to call the structure bingo but seem to forget the same people finish near the top of the standings every year so there is obviously something strategy wise to it (and daily play of course)

If we were playing a series of tourneys I could see doing it with a changed structure but to change formats this drastically for one tourney makes no sense. Its literally one tourney with a $5,000 prize, a few prizes approaching value of maybe a grand and then a drop down to a few hundred bucks tops with around 100 players. And then we got 50 Phil Iveys yelling that a longer structure will allow their " real" poker skill to outshine the "bingo" players.

I'll play it, not above anything of course I just think if were gonna play these as tournaments we should make something similar for the daily tournaments as well. Maybe 4-5 hour dailies and then the 6 plus hour final won't seem so extreme. This way the REAL poker can come out.

It took me 3 hours to read this post... game on...

[Optional]

I got censured for talking about a different site even though I didn't think they were related. Was asked if I have half a brain which is a great thing to tell a stroke survivor.

Oh Chico. Seeing as you keep bringing this up in threads I'll finally respond.

You didn't get "censured". You got a message asking if someone posts a thread about SBRodds, please don't reply with links suggesting competing sites are better.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post26599971

You came back asking to be shown a written rule saying you can't do that.

I did reply that there was no written rule but thought it would be common sense to anyone with half a brain.

I do apologize for not picking up for myself from one of your 8000 posts that you didn't have any common sense, or a full brain, stroke or not. But it wasn't meant as a shot at your injury, just a turn of phrase.

[chico2663]

Oh Chico. Seeing as you keep bringing this up in threads I'll finally respond.

You didn't get "censured". You got a message asking if someone posts a thread about SBRodds, please don't reply with links suggesting competing sites are better.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post26599971

You came back asking to be shown a written rule saying you can't do that.

I did reply that there was no written rule but thought it would be common sense to anyone with half a brain.

I do apologize for not picking up for myself from one of your 8000 posts that you didn't have any common sense, or a full brain, stroke or not. But it wasn't meant as a shot at your injury, just a turn of phrase.

I asked to see the written rules because I enjoy this site immensely.To make sure that I don't screw up and get banned, It wasn't I was doubting you or your authority, It was to not put myself in a situation. I thank you for apologizing but I was making fun of myself and didn't mention your name. The self -deprecating is one of the few ways that I can deal with the situation that I am in. It has nothing to do with you that's why I didn't mention you name. Before the stroke I had a big vocabulary but don't remember like I did. Censured wasn't the right word but it seemed to work at the time.

sorry

[Slanina]

It turns out I could really use the 5k. I developed Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from playing the dailys and need surgery. Feel free to take a dive tomorrow.

[Optional]

I don't even get why you seemed to take offense at the initial message Chico.

And I knew you had had a stroke. But the thought that comment was in any way related to that never entered my mind. You have always seemed 100% fine/coherant to me and prior to this I thought sensible and reasonable too.

Anyway. I hope we can drop it.

[no1here]

Say what you want but the blind structure is wrong. Best not to show up for at least 30 minutes. 10K is fine but not with 10-20 blinds.

[Chili_Powder]

I like the structure, a few levels of very deep stacks and low blinds wil hopefully make for some entertaining poker. I had a potential conflict for the tournament, but because of the deep stacked structure I cancelled that event. Looking forward to the tournament, should be fun.

[garvardntl]

Say what you want but the blind structure is wrong. Best not to show up for at least 30 minutes. 10K is fine but not with 10-20 blinds.

From a very limited sample, and I played mostly the earliest daily, it was very difficult to get any action in the first 30-40 minutes anyway. It almost seemed like queens or kings were a good fold if you faced a raise and a reraise preflop and blinds were 25/50 or lower.

My guess is this final tournament will be similar. But the 'fold kings and queens preflop' period will extend to 3 hours and possibly longer. This should allow for more play and require a more varied tool kit from a player looking to take advantage of weaker opponents.

Sounds fair to me.

[daneblazer]

Death taxes and bitchy poker players. Things never change

see you guys at the final table at midnight

[horja1]

no odds for the final?

[thechaoz]

I think we see some no name take this title

I'll take that crown any day

[ChuckyTheGoat]

OUt of curiosity, who is Poster #100 who has not signed up yet?

[franklee168]

OUt of curiosity, who is Poster #100 who has not signed up yet?

Phil Hellmuth?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Phil Hellmuth?

Yeah, Phil always shows up late.

[astro61200]

Am I the only one who is planning on folding the first hand in case they decided to reenact the first 15 min DQ? Figure fold the first hand and come back around 6 or so

[Russian Rocket]

Am I the only one who is planning on folding the first hand in case they decided to reenact the first 15 min DQ? Figure fold the first hand and come back around 6 or so

I think so...I'm out.
Not doing this thing for 6 hours.

GL!

[downsouth]

Surprised to see so many of the "real" poker players skill their way out in the bottom half/quarter of the field. And over half the remaining field still in fold/push scenario 2 hours in. By no means saying anyone is or is not a good player but rather that for a single online tourney it still is a combination of skill with a lot of luck/bingo to get where you want to go.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Surprised to see so many of the "real" poker players skill their way out in the bottom half/quarter of the field. And over half the remaining field still in fold/push scenario 2 hours in. By no means saying anyone is or is not a good player but rather that for a single online tourney it still is a combination of skill with a lot of luck/bingo to get where you want to go.

Still a way better format than previously... whether you wanna admit it or not.

Most that have chimed in agree (all?).

BUT, rubbing it in is always nice... so I can understand how you couldn't refrain.

Yes, I went out QQ < Q2... that's poker... but still feel better bout it than that last clusterfukk structure.

I'm confident those that cash will agree, also (no one was ever disputing the luck factor in poker, so... but hey.)

[Optional]

Seems about right to me.

46 left now

Should be around 3.5 hours to the end at a guess.

About perfect for a final I think.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Seems about right to me.

46 left now

Should be around 3.5 hours to the end at a guess.

About perfect for a final I think.

Yes... way better structure, indeed.

GL

[Otters27]

Good luck poker players. one day I will start to play some hands as well

[Auto Donk]

structure was nice..... monster f'n trainwrecks being dealt every other hand is laughable

flop a k hi strt, lose, flop trips, lose, river flush, get out flushed, aq v tens, q ten blank flop.... brutal.....

at least send me some vaseline coated asswipes prior to the next promo final, please, SBR

[downsouth]

Still a way better format than previously... whether you wanna admit it or not.

Most that have chimed in agree (all?).

BUT, rubbing it in is always nice... so I can understand how you couldn't refrain.

Yes, I went out QQ < Q2... that's poker... but still feel better bout it than that last clusterfukk structure.

I'm confident those that cash will agree, also (no one was ever disputing the luck factor in poker, so... but hey.)

So you went out against the same type bingo hand you, me and many others have went out with in the other format. So still kinda holds to what my point is. At some point you're gonna have to push it in and hope for the best. It just depends whether you wanna do it in the first hour or 2-3 hours later. ANd you are correct, the majority of those that voiced their opinion voted for longer. But most of those have been hollering for longer formats forever. They truly believe that adding time to the format increases their ability and likelyhood of winning. If we were playing a sample size of 1000 im sure a few would have better results but in the short run no way. The final table will be the same mix of regulars and guys that ran good. Some good, some not so much. And not everyone likes or wanted the longer format, I talked to a few at the tables that are not big poker posters that wished the structure was shorter. So while the vocal majority(maybe 15% of field) are for longer tournaments its not unanimous and most are voting based on a false perception.

I sit currently with approx 20k chips and blinds 1/2k. Its still a shovefest for majority of field.

[The Giant]

Cool time for my internet to go out for about an hour.

[daneblazer]

Thank you for running this SBR. Didn't make the cash this time but it was fun being able to play poker again

[Optional]

So you went out against the same type bingo hand you, me and many others have went out with in the other format. So still kinda holds to what my point is. At some point you're gonna have to push it in and hope for the best. It just depends whether you wanna do it in the first hour or 2-3 hours later. ANd you are correct, the majority of those that voiced their opinion voted for longer. But most of those have been hollering for longer formats forever. They truly believe that adding time to the format increases their ability and likelyhood of winning. If we were playing a sample size of 1000 im sure a few would have better results but in the short run no way. The final table will be the same mix of regulars and guys that ran good. Some good, some not so much. And not everyone likes or wanted the longer format, I talked to a few at the tables that are not big poker posters that wished the structure was shorter. So while the vocal majority(maybe 15% of field) are for longer tournaments its not unanimous and most are voting based on a false perception.

I sit currently with approx 20k chips and blinds 1/2k. Its still a shovefest for majority of field.

I think the table we started on and you are probably still on was playing extra nitty. Not sure you noticed we lost very few players and our big stack was around the lowest of all tables for most of first 2 hours.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Only 9 of 33 have less than 10 bb... while leaders have decent play

You must've studied different math than me...

[The Giant]

I heard this year at the World Series of Poker's Main Event, due to heavy outcrying by the majority of the participants, they've decided to make it a shove fest and all players will start with 12 big blinds.

[daneblazer]

I thought the format was fine. Things escalated quickly in hour 2. Hour 3 I had a decent chip stack, but wasn't anything great. I think my "M" was about 5 for you Harrington folks. Made a move, but went right into the teeth of KK. Did not get a "rigged shit hole bad beat" on that one. SBR let me down.