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    No ESPN in five years? It is a big time loser

    Long article about it. The bottom line is it is hemorrhaging money big time. It's savior would be legalized gambling everywhere in USA.
    Article concludes with this "Goodbye, business franchise.I'm not trying to be alarmist here, but the simple fact is this -- I don't see how ESPN's business model makes sense at all by 2021.
    The "Worldwide Leader in Sports" is a dead channel walking."


    http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/es...history-102916

    ESPN Loses 621,000 Subscribers; Worst Month In Company History

    Things got a ton worse for ESPN this month.



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    By Clay TravisOct 29, 2016 at 7:33a ET

    The biggest business story in American sports this fall isn't the declining NFL ratings or anything that's happening on the field, court, or ice, it's the collapse in ESPN subscribers, which reflect a larger trend in the collapse of cable subscribers in general.
    Yesterday Nielsen announced its subscriber numbers for November 2016 and those numbers were the worst in the history of ESPN's existence as a cable company -- the worldwide leader in sports lost 621,000 cable subscribers. That's the most subscribers ESPN has ever lost in a month according to Nielsen estimates and it represents a terrifying and troubling trend for the company, an acceleration of subscriber loss that represents a doubling of the average losses over the past couple of years, when ESPN has been losing in the neighborhood of 300,000 subscribers a month.
    UPDATE: These subscriber numbers have turned into a huge dispute between ESPN and Nielsen, with ESPN demanding Nielsen pull and review its monthly data numbers. Nielsen agreed to do so and Outkick will update their revised findings. The subscriber numbers were a huge topic of discussion on Wall Street today, leading to Disney dropping over a dollar a share. Here's a discussion from CNBC.




    These 621,000 lost subscribers in the past month alone lead to a drop in revenue of over $52 million and continue the alarming subscriber decline at ESPN. Couple these subscriber declines with a 24% drop in Monday Night Football ratings this fall, the crown jewel of ESPN programming, and it's fair to call October of 2016 the worst month in ESPN's history. But this isn't just a story about ESPN, the rapid decline in cable subscribers is hitting every channel, sports and otherwise. It just impacts ESPN the most because ESPN costs every cable and satellite subscriber roughly $7 a month, over triple the next most expensive cable channel.
    Yep, if you have a cable or satellite subscription, whether you watch ESPN or not, you're paying ESPN over $80 a year.
    What does ESPN do with that money?
    It buys sports rights.
    Presently ESPN is on the hook for the following yearly sports rights payments: $1.9 billion a year to the NFL for Monday Night Football, $1.47 billion to the NBA, $700 million to Major League Baseball, $608 million for the College Football Playoff, $225 million to the ACC, $190 million to the Big Ten, $120 million to the Big 12, $125 million a year to the PAC 12, and hundreds of millions more to the SEC.

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    The total costs? According to SNL Kagan ESPN is on track to pay $7.3 billion in total rights fees in 2017. That's more than any company in America.
    How does that content cost compare to revenue?
    Well, let's be extremely conservative and assume that ESPN is going to lose 3 million subscribers this year. ESPN lost over 4 million subscribers last year and no month was as bad as October 2016 so this is probably being extremely generous. (The pace of decline at 621,000 a month would be nearly 7.5 million lost subscribers a year, but let's presume that this past month is just a bad outlier. The average number of lost subscribers over the past several years has been right at 3.5 million).
    A loss of 3 million subscribers would leave ESPN with 86 million subscribers in 2017. That would be down roughly 15 million subscribers in the past five years alone. Given that ESPN makes right at $7 a month from every cable and satellite subscriber a year, that means ESPN's subscriber revenue would be $7.22 billion in 2017. Toss in an additional $1.8 billion or so in advertising revenue and ESPN's total revenue would be $9 billion. We don't know what the costs of running ESPN are -- employees, facilities, equipment, and the like have to cost a billion or more -- but it's fair to say that ESPN is probably still making money in 2017. Just nowhere near what they used to make.
    But those sports rights costs are going up and those subscriber revenue numbers are going down.
    So if we're very conservative and project that ESPN continues to lose 3 million subscribers a year -- well below the rate that they are currently losing subscribers -- then the household numbers would look like this over the next five years:

    2017: 86 million subscribers
    2018: 83 million subscribers
    2019: 80 million subscribers
    2020: 77 million subscribers
    2021: 74 million subscribers
    At 74 million subscribers -- Outkick's projection for 2021 based on the past five years of subscriber losses -- ESPN would be bringing in just over $6.2 billion a year in yearly subscriber fees at $7 a month. At $8 a month, assuming the subscriber costs per month keeps climbing, that's $7.1 billion in subscriber revenue. Both of those numbers are less than the yearly rights fees cost.
    Uh oh.
    It seems pretty clear that within five years ESPN will be bringing in less subscriber revenue than they've committed for sports rights.
    Sure, advertising money and ESPN2 and ESPNU have to be factored in as well, but you'd also have to add in every other cost that ESPN has to run multiple networks, employee salaries, technology, everything that a major corporation with thousands of worldwide employees has to keep up. And, importantly, you also have to factor in this, ESPN's Monday Night Football contract expires at the end of 2021.
    Right when current projections would have them hitting just 74 million subscribers. I wrote much of this in August, but it bears repeating given how awful this past month was for ESPN.

    ESPN presently pays $1.9 billion a year for Monday Night Football. (This is a wild stat, but did you know that every cable and satellite subscriber who has ESPN is paying $21.50 a year just for Monday Night Football games? That's whether you ever watch those games or not. That's the NFL tax that ESPN passes along to consumers.)
    What will the NFL want from ESPN for Monday Night Football in 2021? More money, right? The NFL has gotten used to television revenue only going up. Even if, as is the case this year, its Monday Night Football ratings are plummeting. Will ESPN be able to afford to keep the NFL and pay more money despite having lost nearly 30% of its subscriber base in the ten years of the existing MNF contract? That seems highly unlikely doesn't it? But can ESPN exist as a network without NFL games? Remember, it's not just the NFL games, it's all the ancillary content that ESPN builds around the NFL games, think about the hours of studio programming that ESPN devotes to pro football. ESPN justifies its sky high cost per month to cable and satellite companies based on the games it provides exclusively on cable, can ESPN extract an increase in subscriber fees from cable and satellite companies when its deals expire without the NFL games? So how much more money will the NFL be able to extract from ESPN? Or will this be the moment in time when the entire sports industry finally realizes that the bubble has popped?
    This is the biggest contract to watch in sports, will ESPN bend to economic reality or will Disney let the worldwide leader in sports spend money it doesn't have?
    If the NFL isn't making the same money it always made in the past, everyone in sports is screwed.
    I've been writing about the sports rights bubble for years. Most recently doing the math to point out that the NBA's insane new television deal from Turner and ESPN means that every single cable and satellite subscriber in the entire country is paying a jawdropping $30 a year for NBA games. I believe the NBA's TV contract represented the actual peak of the sports rights market.
    I'm not against ESPN -- or certainly FS1 or NBCSN or CBSSN or any other sports cable channel -- I just see the collapse of the cable and satellite bundle as the biggest sports story that most in the sports industry are ignoring. When the bubble officially pops -- and it may well have already popped without most realizing it, check out the NFL ratings collapsing this fall -- it's going to change everything about sports -- team revenue and player salaries will plummet and the way that average fans consume sports will change rapidly.
    (I ultimately think this is why sports gambling is going to become legal soon. Because leagues are going to need sports gambling to cover up the loss in their TV revenue.)
    ESPN isn't going to be the only company hit by the popping of the sports bubble either, but it will be the most significantly impacted by far. Let me explain. Let's use FS1 as an example. FS1 brings in around $1 a month in cable and subscriber revenue. This past month FS1 lost 355k subscribers, just shy of half of ESPN's losses. Leaving FS1 in 85.6 million homes to ESPN's 88.9 million homes. That means FS1 lost $4.2 million in yearly revenue off the subscribers it lost this month. That pales in comparison to ESPN's over $50 million in lost revenue.
    And it's not just sports channels, ESPN's in infinitely worse shape than any other cable network out there too because it makes more than any other channel off the current business model and because those channels don't have the billions in fixed costs that ESPN does. If CNN makes less money on subscriber revenue, they can spend less on news gathering. If AMC makes less money in subscriber fees, they'll pay for fewer shows, but ESPN's entire business is predicated on the billions they owe for sports rights every year into the foreseeable future. ESPN made a bet that exclusive live sports rights would be the moat that protected its castle from all attackers. The problem is this, that moat flooded the castle instead.
    Moreover, the sports businesses of Fox, NBC, and CBS are more protected because the vast majority of their best games are all on network TV, which may well return to primacy when it comes to sports. Look at the roster of games that Fox, NBC, and CBS have -- virtually all of the top draws air on the main broadcast networks. The NFL's AFC and NFC packages, the World Series, the Super Bowl, the SEC game of the week, the best college football games in other conferences, Sunday Night Football, the big Olympic events, the U.S. Open, the British Open, and the Masters, all air on "free" TV. ESPN -- and Turner -- are the only two networks that put their biggest sporting events on cable. (The college football playoff, Monday Night Football, and most of the NBA's Eastern Conference playoffs air on ESPN, which is how ESPN justifies its massive cable and satellite subscription fees. Turner carries the majority of the NCAA Tournament games on cable as well.)
    In theory it would make more sense for ESPN to just rely on ABC and switch its biggest games to that network, but the problem is, it can't. Not under the existing television contracts which promise cable and satellite companies exclusive big events on ESPN to justify the enormous cable and satellite fees.
    So what happens if I'm right and the cable and satellite bundle is collapsing?
    Couldn't ESPN go over the top to consumers?
    Nope, that violates their currently existing cable and satellite contracts -- ESPN promised it wouldn't do this in order to get the companies to pay them so much money, Plus, it begs the larger question, if ESPN is going over the top to consumers, why wouldn't the leagues just try this directly themselves? Why do you need ESPN to be the middleman if you can handle distribution as well as they can? What's more, an over the top ESPN would need to be insanely expensive to justify their fixed costs, $20, $30 or $40 a month just for ESPN along. As if that weren't enough, ESPN would be caught in an intractable business problem, one that looks awfully familiar to print newspapers as the Internet rose online. You'd have to run two different businesses -- the cable and satellite ESPN, which would continue to lose subscribers, but still bring in most of your money -- and the over the top ESPN model, which cost much more and have infinitely fewer subscribers. As you promoted the over the top model then the cable and satellite companies would rebel and ask, "Why are we paying you so much to carry your network as part of our packages? We're cutting your channel from basic cable so we can lower consumer costs."
    So ESPN would lose all the people giving it money to buy sports rights who never watch sports. At the same time that the vast majority of people were not subscribing to its over the top offering.
    Goodbye, business franchise.
    I'm not trying to be alarmist here, but the simple fact is this -- I don't see how ESPN's business model makes sense at all by 2021.
    The "Worldwide Leader in Sports" is a dead channel walking.







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    Quote Originally Posted by daneblazer View Post
    Who isn't a fan of His & Hers?

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    Good read. Don't feel bad for ESPN at all.

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    ESPN has been making horrible moves for a couple decades now. They run off all of their brilliant talent to the competitors, they have taken a hardline attitude about what their personalities can say politically, and they now have a direct competitor with the advent of FS1.

    I doubt they will go away, but their days of dominating the entire sphere of sports is gone and continues to dwindle

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    BTW they also report sports with the usual smugness that the northeast teams are all that matter... the rest of the leagues are just there for window dressing. New York, Boston, Philly, and DC teams are all that exist.

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    I've watched about 20 hours of ESPN all year. Won't miss it.

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    Legalizing Gambling has nothing to do with people watching ESPN, it's such a small market

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    ESPN will soon be the sports version of CNN. People are getting worn out on the political correctness crap. The kneeling, uncelebrating NFL is an example of that. I'll probably get some flack for saying this, but they have totally overdone it with employing women. It was Ok when you had a few with Linda Cohn, Robin Roberts, Shelly Smith, etc., but they have totally oversaturated their roster with them now. I don't hang out with the gals at the sports bars, and I just don't want to hear gals give me my sports news.
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    ha, ha. It has nothing to do with politics. It is cord cutting. I just cut it myself. People want to get ESPN off their channel package because it is driving up rates. They will eventually have to become an HBO package.

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    college gameday still good and HQ

    about it

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    Maybe they can get some of their blonde bombshells like Samantha Ponder to do live sideline reports "naked and afraid"

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    "Things Change" , but those arrogant Brass @ ESPN mortgaged their future. I watch so little ESPN it is laughable.

    Disney scrambling right about now.

    Dan Patrick...."Looks like the Mother Ship could be in trouble"

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    If someone had the money, why wouldn't you just start up a real sports network complete with betting 24/7? You would have plenty of ad space to fill but I'm sure FanDuel and DraftKings would gobble up everything and still have other such places wanting to buy advertisement.

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    ESPN tried to rule the sports world and is now paying for it. People want games and cheap. With highlights and shit at the click of a button, does anybody watch SportsCenter anymore? A lot of people pulling cords to, I'm one of them. Get to stream all the games but pay nothing, and ESPN gets nothing for it. Plus they still have the magazine which is a complete waste. With that said, I don't think they go under, maybe just cut things out. They'll never go ccompletely under. I believe eventually TV will be much more customer friendly, where you pay for the channels you want, not 200 you will never watch. This is what they need in my opinion. I'd gladly pay $40 for 30 channels I want, rather than $100 for 300 channels.
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    I just watch games now no pregame stuff

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    Your primary audience of people who watch sports programming is primarily conservative, white males. ESPN has turned into a uber libtard network more interested in making a martyr out of Kap than actually discussing sports. This shit isn't going to fly with the people actually paying the bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TPowell View Post
    If someone had the money, why wouldn't you just start up a real sports network complete with betting 24/7? You would have plenty of ad space to fill but I'm sure FanDuel and DraftKings would gobble up everything and still have other such places wanting to buy advertisement.

    Please God no. I see enough commercials from fist pumping 300lb dikk bags in their little brothers Eagles shirts talking about how they won $250 playing on fanduel

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    Quote Originally Posted by daneblazer View Post
    Please God no. I see enough commercials from fist pumping 300lb dikk bags in their little brothers Eagles shirts talking about how they won $250 playing on fanduel

    LOL, I hate it too but does Fanduel care? Of course not, they buy it up like crazy. Just saying that a sports betting network COULD make it

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    I don't know how they estimate these things... based upon one channel?

    If you cut the cable cord.... it means cable itself is losing customers.

    How can they say it's just ESPN subscribers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    Your primary audience of people who watch sports programming is primarily conservative, white males. ESPN has turned into a uber libtard network more interested in making a martyr out of Kap than actually discussing sports. This shit isn't going to fly with the people actually paying the bills.

    Stay woke fam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    ESPN tried to rule the sports world and is now paying for it. People want games and cheap. With highlights and shit at the click of a button, does anybody watch SportsCenter anymore? A lot of people pulling cords to, I'm one of them. Get to stream all the games but pay nothing, and ESPN gets nothing for it. Plus they still have the magazine which is a complete waste. With that said, I don't think they go under, maybe just cut things out. They'll never go ccompletely under. I believe eventually TV will be much more customer friendly, where you pay for the channels you want, not 200 you will never watch. This is what they need in my opinion. I'd gladly pay $40 for 30 channels I want, rather than $100 for 300 channels.
    This is basically it. People aren't opting for the old school way of just buying cable from whatever providor is in your region. There are so many alternatives now to get only what you want to see. And of course streaming any game is so easy

    Espn will adapt but we will see major changes in the next few years

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    Highly Questionable only good show anymore

    don't watch any of their other complete SHIT

    just a game or two


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    Sports is nothing without espn

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco View Post
    Sports is nothing without espn
    espn is nothing without STICKING to sports

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    Can't live without the "Bad Beats" segment. Tonight illustrating the old safety and back door
    cover TD to get the money. Must see TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Nickle View Post
    ha, ha. It has nothing to do with politics. It is cord cutting. I just cut it myself. People want to get ESPN off their channel package because it is driving up rates. They will eventually have to become an HBO package.
    Cord cutting? Yea that is part of it. But many of us middle aged conservative white males are fed up with the PC crap on ESPN. Dennis Miller canned because he tells off color jokes on MNF... he was the BEST on MNF ever. They hire Rush to the NFL crew because he is polarizing... first polarizing thing he says, fired. They use the music and popularity of Hank Jr on the SNF promo... he says he don't care for Obama, canned.

    There are many many more. If you breathe a word that does not conform to the media leftist elites you cannot work there. Fact is that over 60% of this country is conservatives... but they don't get it.

    FS1 is the network that is stepping in. Fox simply takes over any space they decide they want to own. Fox don't f\*\*k around

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    Who the fukk watches ESPN anyway?
    Haven't watched ESPN for a long time other than Sunday night MLB (I watch it on mute by the way) Or the weekly NFL game.
    It's been horrible for many many years.
    Started canning all the whitey's to darken up the place and to top if off they have fkn peabrained females doing baseball games now also
    Any people with respectable sports knowledge can't watch that garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    Your primary audience of people who watch sports programming is primarily conservative, white males. ESPN has turned into a uber libtard network more interested in making a martyr out of Kap than actually discussing sports. This shit isn't going to fly with the people actually paying the bills.

    Stay woke fam.
    Nnnnnnnope. Sure wish it was, but it's not.

    They can double their race-baiting shows, they'll still be the top game in town because they're still a monopoly.

    What happened though was like me, people are dumping cable packages altogether now with all of the new tech out there. This is a problem for a lot of cable channels, but none of them are as horrendously over-leveraged as ESPN, because the Food Network and Nickelodeon don't have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for the rights to all of these sports, like the article was describing.

    It was bad foresight. When Apple TV started to become a thing, people who make a lot more money than we do should have seen the writing on the wall. But instead, they doubled-down, and now they're ******.

    Kinda happy to see it to be honest. They got too far away from reporting sports and showing highlights. They told us what we wanted to see, rather than give us what we actually wanted to see. Then later with the social issues bias and all that other fukkery. It's like the school bully -- I don't want to see him die, but I want to be there when he gets the severe beating he's been begging for for years.
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    As soon as easy access to the internet happened I stopped watching them 10-15 years ago

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    It reminds me of FOX NEWS

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    People that watch sports in general for the most part are not educated , main base

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