For Anyone that thinks Gary Kaplan will Fight

[NeedProtection]

These guys wouldn't take more than $500 on an NBA halftime bet or $200 on a prop. This book pioneered the prop/halftime/money line to straight bet ratio scam. I think they also invented the "we will only pay you 2000 a week".

These people refused to pay a BW beard and made up rules afterwards to justify it, even though they would of got paid every quarter had they won.

These guys were real pioneers in the art of ****ing people. Not so much on the gambling side of things.

Do you really think he is going to gamble with 20+ years of his life in order to try and fight the Wire Act?

Listen, I wish he would. We need to see the wire act challenged by a different set of legal minds than in the Cohen case.

The reality of the situation is they will try to get some or all of the charges dismissed but once a trial looks inevitable they will start the plea agreements and the eventual ratting out of everyone they ever did business with in order to save their own skin.

Just like Al Ross, they will try to get the charges thrown out by claiming the wire act doesn't apply, or there were no grounds for the RICO predicates or whatever.

But once the trial looks inevitable, they will chirp, sing and confess. They will rat out everyone they ever did business with, everyone they ever heard of in the business and they might even "pioneer" some fictional story telling in order to boost their level of cooperation.

Can you imagine this guy going to trial? You couldn't bet $500 on a halftime but he is going to wager 20+ years of his life with a 1% or less chance of winning? Sure he is.

[SBR_John]

Good post. Seems to be facing a lot of years in the cross bar del rey either way. Cant see the feds letting him off with less than a 10+ spot and a massive fine.

[MBENZ]

Good post. Seems to be facing a lot of years in the cross bar del rey either way. Cant see the feds letting him off with less than a 10+ spot and a massive fine.

GEEZ,I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PRICK

[BatemanPatrickl]

People still haven't learned that you can't mess with the US government; they can make your life a lving hell in 60 seconds flat.

[NeedProtection]

How did he "mess"' with the US Govt exactly? By advertising his sportsbook?

This guy might deserve to be in jail for a lot of things, but bookmaking isn't one of them. All you people applauding his incarceration for bookmaking are part of the problem.

[BatemanPatrickl]

How did he "mess"' with the US Govt exactly? By advertising his sportsbook?

This guy might deserve to be in jail for a lot of things, but bookmaking isn't one of them. All you people applauding his incarceration for bookmaking are part of the problem.

Money laundering which is illegal in the United States.

[bigloser]

Money laundering which is illegal in the United States.

All offshore books with US customers are Money Launderers under the US definition.

So Olympic Betcris and probably Pinnacle

Lock them all up

[NeedProtection]

Exactly bigloser.

Educating people like Bateman is probably impossible, but if we could educate them it would go a long way to fighting the cause.

Bookmaking is either wrong or it isn't and if you believe it is not wrong then how can it be justified to throw Kaplan in jail for it?

The answer of course is simple - there is no justification.

No one should be in jail for bookmaking. Throw him in jail for larceny, but not booking.

All Kaplan did was advertise his business aggressively and employe family members in the states to help him.

[pico]

David Carruthers, Gary Kaplan despised by many and each other

When Gary Kaplan left BetonSports PLC last year, it was not under the most favorable of conditions. Rumored animosity between Kaplan and BetonSports current CEO, David Carruthers, was later verified by Gambling911.com.

Kaplan's camp accused Carruthers of "fudging" numbers and turning other employees into scapegoats; those under Carruthers insisted the company was a mess and they were moving to turn things around. None of the accusations made against Carruthers were ever verified.

"David (Carruthers) should be running the company but instead nobody ever knows where he is," said one former employee who wished to remain nameless.

Hatred towards Kaplan has been fueled by online websites claiming he "stiffed" a big wise guy player out of nearly a half million dollars. Industry competitors often cracked jokes about Kaplan's 7 plus bodyguards, failing to realize they were probably needed.

Stories about Gary Kaplan have captivated the world of offshore gambling including the time he once pulled out a gun and fired at his computer monitor after a game went the wrong way.

Upon moving to the Mall San Pedro, among the first installations besides a nursery for children of BoS employees was an indoor gun range. Manufacturers failed to install the proper padding and bullets would often ricochet off the walls, one hitting a person in the leg. Another shot through the ceiling into the unoccupied nursery above.

Carruthers on the other hand is perhaps more despised by the US government than he is by players. At least with Kaplan, the equation seems equally balanced.

David Carruthers is widely credited for helping to make BetonSports public on the London Stock Exchange, quite a huge feat considering Kaplan's now publicized past and the poor image held by BetonSports at the time. One of the requirements for trading, however, was that Kaplan could not appear as an owner. This is how he eventually got pushed out of the company after more than one attempt to trade publicly.

David Carruthers has been among the most outspoken industry people when it comes to lobbying for the right to gamble online. He orchestrated a campaign across the United States to obtain signatures from ordinary US citizens in support of his "Right to Wager" program. That probably did not fly well in the face of the US government which apparently was already investigating BetonSports and its associates at the time.

And like Kaplan before him, Carruthers is seen as someone who perhaps had outworn his welcome at BetonSports. Other executives appear to be ready to assume his position as the company continues to grow.

Deriving nearly 80% of its business from US citizens, BetonSports.com is currently in a position to compete in other markets excluding the US but would be sacrificing the bottom line in doing so as a result of significant downsizing.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Exactly bigloser.

Educating people like Bateman is probably impossible, but if we could educate them it would go a long way to fighting the cause.

Bookmaking is either wrong or it isn't and if you believe it is not wrong then how can it be justified to throw Kaplan in jail for it?

The answer of course is simple - there is no justification.

No one should be in jail for bookmaking. Throw him in jail for larceny, but not booking.

All Kaplan did was advertise his business aggressively and employe family members in the states to help him.

Don't start a flame war with me. Innocent until proven guilty and if you don't live here or don't know this man personally why do you care?

[NeedProtection]

I care because no one should be in jail for bookmaking yet people like you and MBENZ think otherwise.

Your position is logically indefensible.

[BatemanPatrickl]

I care because no one should be in jail for bookmaking yet people like you and MBENZ think otherwise.

Your position is logically indefensible.

You think no one should be in jail for bookmaking; that is YOUR opinion not the opinion of the US government. Who are you to tell us how to run our country? Do you have a law degree?

It is illogical to think that people may not share your illogical opinion. That is my logic and I am sticking to it.

[MBENZ]

I care because no one should be in jail for bookmaking yet people like you and MBENZ think otherwise.

Your position is logically indefensible.

HOW MUCH DID BOS RIP YOU OFF FOR?ANSWER THAT AND MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU THOUSANDS OF REASONS WHY I HATE THAT PRICK.ITS EASY TO TALK,WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING AT STAKE.

[NeedProtection]

I lost money when they went down but I blame the US Govt and the pussy euros running the company, not Kaplan.

Bateman, do you bet? You have 1600+ posts so I assume you do. Maybe you are a cop or something? If you like to bet and you think bookmaking should be illegal, then whom will you bet with?

[offshorexplorer]

People still haven't learned that you can't mess with the US government; they can make your life a lving hell in 60 seconds flat.

As a professional in the field for close to 10 years I can say, the United States Government believes they have jurisdiction over the world, and practically perhaps for the time being they do.

The facts however are something different.

Owning and operating a business that accepts electronic wager here in Costa Rica is LEGAL. Plain and Simple.

The fact that it is illegal in the good old USA is irrelevant.

Unfortunately we all know reality is something different.

Truth is, he is NOT guilty of money laundering, as without the online gaming being deemed illegal in the USA, the money laundering issues is non existent.

Further, the wire act would not provide a conviction for gaming over the internet as it is an old piece of legislation poorly written to apply to todays world, which is why it is never the sole act a charge is made under.


Gary is simply a victim of politics and a cash grab/protectionist manouver on the part of the corrupt US government. - nothing more.

[offshorexplorer]

How did he "mess"' with the US Govt exactly? By advertising his sportsbook?

This guy might deserve to be in jail for a lot of things, but bookmaking isn't one of them. All you people applauding his incarceration for bookmaking are part of the problem.

I have to agree 100% with this poster.

These same people with this attitude are the problem along with the US Government and their WTO violating domestic laws which they try to shove down the throats of other sovereign independent nations.

If the US were a sportsbook I believe they would be rated an F here considering they want to change their rules after signing international agreements, dont respect the rules they agreed to, etc

[vanzack]

I have to agree 100% with this poster.

These same people with this attitude are the problem along with the US Government and their WTO violating domestic laws which they try to shove down the throats of other sovereign independent nations.

If the US were a sportsbook I believe they would be rated an F here considering they want to change their rules after signing international agreements, dont respect the rules they agreed to, etc

Sent you a PM.

Thanks

[tacomax]

Raiders is claiming that Kaplan is being held in escrow and will be released next week.

[SBR_John]

Kaplan was a bad guy in many ways. I'm very sorry for the players that lost their balances.

Costa Rica is a better place. We were getting nearly daily reports of a player getting ripped off at BOS. At least no more players will be ripped off.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Kaplan was a bad guy in many ways. I'm very sorry for the players that lost their balances.

Costa Rica is a better place. We were getting nearly daily reports of a player getting ripped off at BOS. At least no more players will be ripped off.

Good post John. Glad to hear you didn't place blame on the corrupt US government

[RickySteve]

Where is all the money?

[MBENZ]

Kaplan was a bad guy in many ways. I'm very sorry for the players that lost their balances.

Costa Rica is a better place. We were getting nearly daily reports of a player getting ripped off at BOS. At least no more players will be ripped off.

Probally the only forum owner not afraid to call a spade a spade

[helicopter23]

Money laundering which is illegal in the United States.

Define money laundering?

[BatemanPatrickl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

[NeedProtection]

A lot of ignorant people are confused about what Money Laundering is.

Quite simply, if a bookmaker buys a car with funds from an "illegal" act, they have laundered money in the eyes of the govt.

Money laundering quite simply means spending money.

See that nice S class Benzo in the Legendz picture thread?

Laundered money. 30 years in jail. Have a nice ****ing day. What about other cars? Jewlery, houses? Investments? Boom. Life in prision. Have a nice ****ing life.

The whole money laundering thing is predicated on the underlying act, in this case a very creative and liberal enforcement of the Wire Act. When that judge read Jay Cohen's jury his instructions, no one really quite grasps the terrible consquences. The judge refused to let the jury hear the part of the Wire Act that that details the exceptions and for whom the law doesn't apply. This was Jay's argument - that he met the terms of the exceptions. The judge didn't even let the jury consider it. This was the end. That is why kaplan is looking at 30 years for everytime they can prove he spent money or reinvested in the business.

To say the US Govt is anything other than screwed up is to deny an undeniable reality. The laws are gross and Gary Kaplan should not be in jail for bookmaking. It is an indefensible argument.

[homedog]

If you don't want to play by the rules that a government has set down then don't play there.

If you disregard the rules, then don't complain when they bust your ass.

The absolute worse thing you can do is thumb your nose at them.

Whether one agrees with the outcome has no bearing whatsoever on the enforcement of the rules.

Complain all you want, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[offshorexplorer]

A lot of ignorant people are confused about what Money Laundering is.

Quite simply, if a bookmaker buys a car with funds from an "illegal" act, they have laundered money in the eyes of the govt.

Money laundering quite simply means spending money.

See that nice S class Benzo in the Legendz picture thread?

Laundered money. 30 years in jail. Have a nice ****ing day. What about other cars? Jewlery, houses? Investments? Boom. Life in prision. Have a nice ****ing life.

The whole money laundering thing is predicated on the underlying act, in this case a very creative and liberal enforcement of the Wire Act. When that judge read Jay Cohen's jury his instructions, no one really quite grasps the terrible consquences. The judge refused to let the jury hear the part of the Wire Act that that details the exceptions and for whom the law doesn't apply. This was Jay's argument - that he met the terms of the exceptions. The judge didn't even let the jury consider it. This was the end. That is why kaplan is looking at 30 years for everytime they can prove he spent money or reinvested in the business.

To say the US Govt is anything other than screwed up is to deny an undeniable reality. The laws are gross and Gary Kaplan should not be in jail for bookmaking. It is an indefensible argument.

You sir are incorrect

Laundering by definition is obfuscating an original origin of funds when said origin is illegal.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with spending

[offshorexplorer]

If you don't want to play by the rules that a government has set down then don't play there.

If you disregard the rules, then don't complain when they bust your ass.

The absolute worse thing you can do is thumb your nose at them.

Whether one agrees with the outcome has no bearing whatsoever on the enforcement of the rules.

Complain all you want, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

You are incorrect.

The USA Government has no business trying to force their "rules" as you refer to them on businesses domiciled in other countries.

One can say, having US Customers violates the law, perhaps, then the US Government should prosecute the US Person/Resident who violated the law and NOT a foreign business, located in a foreign country, in full compliance with the laws that apply to them. - excellent example is neteller.

The US Governments actions have already been clearly deemed in violation of trade agreements and protectionist.

In the end it is all about the money, so far they have blackmailed neteller and it's founders for 1/3 of a billion.

Try and blackmail someone and watch how quickly you end up in jail, blackmail under the guise/color of authority is no less heinous.

[MBENZ]

Bottom line is the government is doing the job us players could'nt do,prosecuting a thief.Carruthers bust was the smokescreen Kaplan needed to fulfill his scheme of not paying.As ricky asked earlier,wheres the money,it was long gone before carruthers got popped do to Garys love of spending other peoples money.NO SYMPOTHY FOR THIS PRICK.