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  • fearless
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    • 08-14-06
    • 4950

    #1
    Sportsbooks Should Look to Book Transfers to Solve Their Processing Woes...
    May-31-2007,
    Sportsbooks Should Look to Book Transfers to Solve Their Processing Woes...By Jay Graziani

    With sportsbooks withdrawals routinely taking weeks, if not months, a significant amount of money that could be contributing towards daily sportsbook handle is instead languishing in limbo. Players are skittish about leaving excess funds in their sportsbook accounts, and with good reason - this has always been a risky industry, and recent regulatory backlash by U.S. forces has increased the hazard substantially. With withdrawals taking so long to be processed, identifying books that have gone belly-up can take months, adding yet another layer of doubt in an industry plagued with misinformation. Players used to micromanaging their balances are now forced to keep a lot of money on the sidelines.

    Of course, the easy solution is to keep the money offshore. The less interaction sportsbooks must make with the U.S. banking system, the better. For sportsbooks, keeping the money offshore means less hassle, less liability, and fewer fees to processing companies. For players, leaving money offshore results in less time that funds remain in limbo and less declined deposits. It also lessens the chances of Alberto Gonzales or the IRS snooping around a player's private financial transactions, for those that might be concerned about such things.

    Sportsbooks should be doing all they can to encourage the money to stay offshore. One way to achieve this is to make book-to-book and account-to-account transfers the norm rather than the exception. Unfortunately, this is far from the case.

    Surprisingly, the list of established sportsbooks that refuse to make any kind of book-to-book transfer is stunning. Among them are two of the biggest "recreational" sportsbooks around: the VIP group and Sportsinteraction. Other books allow transfers, but make them much more inconvenient that they need be. Skybook has a minimum of $5000 for book transfers, essentially boxing out the smaller players upon which most sportsbooks depend to grind out a profit. Bookmaker (aka "CRIS for Yankees") charges an almost unbelievable $100 fee on book transfers, a service which is essentially free for them and undoubtedly cheaper than processing other deposit methods. Most books that are allowing transfers also offer it to only a limited number of partners, restricting its usefulness.

    The books that are, however, encouraging internal or book-to-book transfers are reaping the benefits. Players are actively managing their accounts between The Greek and BetJamaica, or between Matchbook and WSEX. 5Dimes allows sportsbook transfers with a minimum of $1000 and no fee. The Greek lowers the minimum to $500 and also processes them free of charge. This has acted as a big incentive and has grabbed the attention of offshore players. When getting money offshore is tough, why not send it to a "one stop shop" where you can use a betting exchange, traditional sportsbook, and poker room, transferring money between all three with just a click of a mouse? Or instead, a family of sportsbooks that allows you essentially to have access to more than one set of lines with just a single deposit?

    There are obviously some downsides to increased book-to-book transfers, mostly relating to players skirting the rules regarding bonuses, free deposits and payouts, and other issues commonly associated with the less savory of offshore players. These can be overcome by greater vigilance and some minor policy changes on the part of sportsbooks. There are of course other complications relating to the behind-the-scenes mechanics of the sportsbooks "settling-up" with each other, but that is not the concern of the players, nor should it be.

    The biggest hurdle is overcoming the thought of sportsbook owners that they are giving away business by allowing transfers out. That is a shortsighted outlook at a time where long-term thinking is essential for the industry. While outgoing transfers may seem like missed opportunities, what it will do is encourage growth of the entire industry, a rising tide that will lift all ships (or at least the competent ships).

    In the days after Pinnacle's exit from the U.S. market, sportsbooks were aggressive in trying to get Pinnacle money into their sportsbooks via book transfer, even offering bonuses to incoming transfers. It's hard to see why they wouldn't be just as aggressive about transfers today, considering the disaster that financial processing has become post-UIGEA.

    With books slow to adapt to the new atmosphere, some sportsbook patrons have taken it upon themselves to speed up the process. Private messaging has allowed an underground industry to spring up in which players, meeting through online portals and bulletin boards, can communicate with each other in order to do internal transfers (from one account at a given sportsbook to another account with the same sportsbook). Players can either swap transfers, or settle up externally with other payment solutions like Paypal or good old-fashioned cash. Until sportsbooks alleviate their payment delays, expect these underground transfers to increase in volume. The irony, of course, is that these essentially anonymous financial transactions are exactly what UIGEA aimed to avoid in the first place.

    With all the turmoil in the offshore world, sportsbooks should be encouraging book-to-book and account-to-account transfers as the most feasible option for the good of the industry. It would relieve much of the strain on the current financial processors, while providing convenience to the players and benefits to the sportsbooks. It is surprising that more of the large books have not joined together to essentially create their own "banking sector" outside of the reach and jurisdiction of UIGEA.

    05-31-07
    Jay Graziani
    MajorWager.com
    graziani@majorwager.com

  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #2
    It sounds good on the surface.

    But if you think about it it doesnt make a bit of sense for the books. Say Book A, Book B and Book C lose their processing for whatever reason. Book D has processing. So book A,B,C advertise to deposit into D and transfer to them. When the player wants his money they will just transfer it back to Book D and they can make the payout.

    Unfortunately, transfers are not the answer. Less will be allowed in the future. Only very good customers will be able to use book to book transfers.
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    • fearless
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      • 08-14-06
      • 4950

      #3
      Originally posted by SBR_John
      It sounds good on the surface.

      But if you think about it it doesnt make a bit of sense for the books. Say Book A, Book B and Book C lose their processing for whatever reason. Book D has processing. So book A,B,C advertise to deposit into D and transfer to them. When the player wants his money they will just transfer it back to Book D and they can make the payout.

      Unfortunately, transfers are not the answer. Less will be allowed in the future. Only very good customers will be able to use book to book transfers.
      I think it makes sens for Pinnacle and Trade Sports. The two books offer free transfers between books and I think it will work out for the customers and the books.

      Pinnacle offers things that trade sports can't offer like parlays and teasers. Meanwhile, tradesports, being an exchange, offers all sorts of things that Pinnacle can't offer, obviously.

      Pinnacle also offers tons more choices for deposits and withdrawals than trade sports does. I think their partnership makes perfect sense. People will deposit money to pinnacle and move it directly to trade sports (because it's much easier to deposit money at pinnacle). Meanwhile, people will move money from trade sports to pinnacle for withdrawals for the same reason.

      When you take into account trade sports customers going to pinnacle just for parlays, teasers, and better odds but then back to trade sports for the trading.... Then you take into account pinnacle customers going to trade sports just for trading...

      This is certainly a case where book to book transfers will work for everyone, imho.
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      • Santo
        SBR MVP
        • 09-08-05
        • 2957

        #4
        The problem is, most people won't use the feature because you forfeit both free deposits and withdrawals at Pinnacle by enabling book-to-book transfers.
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        • Lucas
          SBR MVP
          • 12-20-05
          • 1062

          #5
          Originally posted by Santo
          The problem is, most people won't use the feature because you forfeit both free deposits and withdrawals at Pinnacle by enabling book-to-book transfers.
          exactly!
          b2b transation should give players advantage not disadvatage; b2b is cheaper than anything, i also do not understand pinnacle´s policy
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          • pico
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 04-05-07
            • 27321

            #6
            Originally posted by Lucas
            exactly!
            b2b transation should give players advantage not disadvatage; b2b is cheaper than anything, i also do not understand pinnacle´s policy
            i think that prevents people from using pinnacle as a processing center...at least for the recreational players.

            but pinnacle require 3x rollerover on inital deposit. not sure what is their policy on book to book transfer deposit withdraws roll over requirement.
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            • Lucas
              SBR MVP
              • 12-20-05
              • 1062

              #7
              let they put some restrictions on payouts but paying for deposits :X
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              • bookie
                SBR MVP
                • 08-10-05
                • 2112

                #8
                I think Pinnacle does it just right. If you want us to help you level your accounts we can do that for you, but in return we're not going to pick up your deposit fees because you're not going to give us a chance to grind you down.

                In the poker world Absolute Poker and Ultimate bet just struck a deal so that they player can transfer back and forth between those sites. I see similarly consortiums emerging in the offshore sportbook world. Now we only have families of books connected (WSEX-MB, Greek-BetJam), but if UIGEA stands then in the future I would guess we'll see two or three or four sportsbook alliances.
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                • fearless
                  Restricted User
                  • 08-14-06
                  • 4950

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bookie
                  I think Pinnacle does it just right. If you want us to help you level your accounts we can do that for you, but in return we're not going to pick up your deposit fees because you're not going to give us a chance to grind you down.

                  In the poker world Absolute Poker and Ultimate bet just struck a deal so that they player can transfer back and forth between those sites. I see similarly consortiums emerging in the offshore sportbook world. Now we only have families of books connected (WSEX-MB, Greek-BetJam), but if UIGEA stands then in the future I would guess we'll see two or three or four sportsbook alliances.
                  I think you're right.
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