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  • mtx
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-01-07
    • 117

    #1
    This might be the first bad BetOnline.com review...
    So I was browsing through SBR recently and saw that they put BOL (BetOnline.com) as a top 10 bookie with an astonishing A-. I was pretty interested in joining BOL after browsing through their website and finding various enticing promotions. The one that enticed me the most was their 33% Happy Hour Casino Promo. So I talked to live support about their promo, checked and confirmed all the rollover requirements and other stipulations, made an account and deposit on Monday 4:12pm ET, and proceeded to play.

    Before I made my very first wager, I was told that I had to email the casino manager first to have the bonus added to my account. I was told however that the casino manager was on a 1-day vacation but to just play anyways as the support agent would "add a note to my account and notify the casino manager of my bonus request personally". I took the agent's word, emailed the casino manager notifying him of the bonus request (Monday, 4:19pm ET) and started to play. I played Blackjack (eligible game) for around 2 hours and rollovered $5412 ($500 deposit, 33% bonus, $165 bonus x 30 rollover = $4950 was the requirement). Then I waited until Tuesday evening, but the bonus was still not credited. I waited until this afternoon (48 hours later from initial deposit) and again, my account remained the same.

    So I hit up live support today to inquire about the issue and lo and behold, the agent activates my $165 bonus and I can now see it "pending" under my account with a $5775 rollover requirement (35x). I try telling the agent that I've already rollovered $5412 (and thus completing the first part of the $165x30=$4950 rollover) but the agent tells me that I have to do the rollover again (this time it's increased to $5775 WTF) to release the cash bonus but does not tell me WHY it failed to go through the first time. They (the manager) tells me that he did not receive any of my emails (this is complete BS), but I sent them two - one right after I made my initial deposit @ Monday 4:19pm ET and a follow up email the next morning after finishing the initial rollover requirements @ Tuesday 10:12am ET.

    So now I am stuck in a dispute with the casino manager and he's FINALLY managed to reply to one email I sent him today (explaining the whole situation). Unfortunately, he refuses to honor his support team's words and miscommunication and now he's trying to not only make me rollover the requirements again, but also blatantly increase them.

    This is his last and ONLY email to me:

    Dear x,

    Thank you for your patience while I reviewed your account. While I can sympathise with you in this situation, I am unable to do anything about the way the bonus is issued.

    Bullcrap. I fail to believe that in this day and age, he is "unable to do anything". There is certainly a way for him to manually credit my account with the money owed to me, but he's not doing it for some unknown reason. I know that for a fact because I've been through these situations before with gambling sites not properly crediting me my bonuses/promos and they've all fixed it quite easily.

    We issue our bonuses via the bonus section of the casino. The bonuses have rollover required on them before they become real cash. This is a system requirement. I have no way of actually issuing you a Cash bonus. It should be easy for you to roll the bonus over as you showed incredible skill in your play in your real account.

    He could lower the rollover requirements to 2 x intial deposit (the last part of the total rollover requirement) to honor the original terms presented to me. And the last line is pathetic. "Easy" and "incredible skill"? Just cause I managed to rollover $5412 with $15-$25 bets without going bankrupt doesn't mean I have to do it again just because the manager's ignorant. .

    I do apologize for not getting your emails as somehow they were lost and I was in middle of travel on that Monday. For your inconvenience I would like to offer you a 40% reload bonus up to $400 on your next deposit. Normally I would have a 40X rollover on this bonus but I would reduce it down to 25X.

    If this is acceptable to you please let me know and I will make the according notes into your account. Any casino bonuses or any questions you have in regards to your account please do not hesitate in contacting me.

    I can be reached 24 hours a day via email at x@betonline.com .

    Sincerely,

    Marshal Miller
    Casino Manager
    Betonline.com

    Again, BS. Lost emails my ass. I get 20-30 emails a day and I rarely "lose" any. I love how they try to sweet talk me by giving me a marginally better bonus when they just screwed up my last one. Do they really expect me to just redeposit after going through all this BS?
    I really had high hopes for this sportsbook and I was planning to deposit several thousand when NFL/NBA starts but I don't know if I can trust them anymore. Their promotions are certainly excellent, but maybe they're really too good to be true. I mean, they're already struggling to honor the terms on such a small bonus....how are they going to react when 100-200 people sign up?

  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #2
    Good post, very detailed.

    These kind of bonuses are going to be a problem. Justin mentioned sort of the same thing in another thread. When you get 33% you have to be careful. It sounds like the agent did not know what he/she was talking about.

    Can you write us with your account number and we will see if we can get this straightened out? Assistance@Sportsbookreview.com.
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    • mtx
      SBR High Roller
      • 04-01-07
      • 117

      #3
      Originally posted by SBR_John
      Good post, very detailed.

      These kind of bonuses are going to be a problem. Justin mentioned sort of the same thing in another thread. When you get 33% you have to be careful. It sounds like the agent did not know what he/she was talking about.

      Can you write us with your account number and we will see if we can get this straightened out? Assistance@Sportsbookreview.com.
      If this site wasn't so highly rated @ SBR, I wouldn't have signed up . I don't know how much more careful I have to be when I a) chose a "reputable" sportsbook and b) confirmed with live chat about terms and conditions twice before signing up and depositing.

      Which agent are you referring to? The initial one I spoke to (the one who told me to just go ahead and play), the secondary one (the one who told me I had to go do the rollover again) or the casino manager?

      In any case, the manager emailed me back 25 minutes ago and manually credited my account with the bonus. Funny how he is able to do something previously impossible to do and funny how he is receiving all my emails now . Maybe he came along and saw this thread?
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      • SBR Lou
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 08-02-07
        • 37863

        #4
        Originally posted by mtx
        Funny how he is able to do something previously impossible to do and funny how he is receiving all my emails now . Maybe he came along and saw this thread?
        Funny to see them do backflips, isn't it? I'm glad it worked out, but given the situation it should've been handled that way from the start. There are people who pride themselves on a high level of customer service, then there are people who only do so when the right people are watching.
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        • Dark Horse
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-14-05
          • 13764

          #5
          Originally posted by crazyl
          There are people who pride themselves on a high level of customer service, then there are people who only do so when the right people are watching.
          I believe the word is integrity.

          You either have it or you don't. It can't be faked. At least not for very long.
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          • SBR_John
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-12-05
            • 16471

            #6
            These high bonuses are always going to be a problem no matter the rating. If you want zero problems play at an A+ book and dont take a bonus. You would never see a Pinnacle, Greek, WSEX give a 33% bonus.

            If you do take a 33% bonus be very careful. These books dont make a living by giving away money.
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            • RickySteve
              Restricted User
              • 01-31-06
              • 3415

              #7
              Originally posted by SBR_John
              These books dont make a living by giving away money.
              They try their best.
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              • bigloser
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 07-19-06
                • 787

                #8
                Originally posted by SBR_John
                These high bonuses are always going to be a problem no matter the rating. If you want zero problems play at an A+ book and dont take a bonus. You would never see a Pinnacle, Greek, WSEX give a 33% bonus.

                If you do take a 33% bonus be very careful. These books dont make a living by giving away money.
                Players should be able to rely on receiving a 33% bonus if an A- book promotes it. Are you saying that is not the case?

                They offer 45% on sportsbook deposits - should players avoid betonline ?
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                • mtx
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 04-01-07
                  • 117

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bigloser
                  Players should be able to rely on receiving a 33% bonus if an A- book promotes it. Are you saying that is not the case?

                  They offer 45% on sportsbook deposits - should players avoid betonline ?
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                  • bookie
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 2112

                    #10
                    The 45% bonus is a free play, not a cash bonus. To clear it you have to bet at 11-10, and do an 8X roll-over. It's also only available if you deposit $2000--which from their point of view means they've acquired a potentially above average recreational player.

                    Note that they are pretty up front that this bonus is for recreational players: "Bonuses are intended for recreational players only. Decisions to cancel “wise guy” action are entirely up to the discretion of BetOnline.com, with no exceptions." This statement can be found somewhere on most sportsbooks, and it's to BetOnLine's credit that they put it in bold print on their bonus explanation page.

                    So this is an entirely reasonable bonus comparable to what a lot of good citizen books have offered new accounts over the years.

                    It's a fine-print bonus and I wish players would get smart enough to not be attracted by these raw numbers--but a certain segment of them can't apparently see beyond the big numbers so I don't think you can fault the book for offering them.
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                    • magnavox
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 08-14-05
                      • 575

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SBR_John
                      These high bonuses are always going to be a problem no matter the rating. If you want zero problems play at an A+ book and dont take a bonus. You would never see a Pinnacle, Greek, WSEX give a 33% bonus.

                      If you do take a 33% bonus be very careful. These books dont make a living by giving away money.
                      Do note, that this is a CASINO bonus. Greek was (is?) offering a 100%, which is about the standard in the casino world.
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                      • mtx
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 04-01-07
                        • 117

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bookie
                        The 45% bonus is a free play, not a cash bonus. To clear it you have to bet at 11-10, and do an 8X roll-over. It's also only available if you deposit $2000--which from their point of view means they've acquired a potentially above average recreational player.

                        Note that they are pretty up front that this bonus is for recreational players: "Bonuses are intended for recreational players only. Decisions to cancel “wise guy” action are entirely up to the discretion of BetOnline.com, with no exceptions." This statement can be found somewhere on most sportsbooks, and it's to BetOnLine's credit that they put it in bold print on their bonus explanation page.

                        So this is an entirely reasonable bonus comparable to what a lot of good citizen books have offered new accounts over the years.

                        It's a fine-print bonus and I wish players would get smart enough to not be attracted by these raw numbers--but a certain segment of them can't apparently see beyond the big numbers so I don't think you can fault the book for offering them.
                        Well the bonus is also unlimited, meaning you get it everytime you make a new deposit....so it's a kind of a win-win situation if we lose our bets...but who knows, it's probably too good to be true?
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                        • bookie
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-10-05
                          • 2112

                          #13
                          I hadn't remembered it was a casino bonus.

                          mtx...what did they tell you about how many times you had to play the money through in order to collect the bonus?
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                          • mtx
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 04-01-07
                            • 117

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bookie
                            I hadn't remembered it was a casino bonus.

                            mtx...what did they tell you about how many times you had to play the money through in order to collect the bonus?
                            30xB + 2xD..

                            I only deposited $500 because I was a bit skeptical of their promos.
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                            • bookie
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-10-05
                              • 2112

                              #15
                              Ok. Thanks for the info. Those are reasonable terms.

                              Skepticism is a good thing, so without saying three cheers to BetOnLine it's not like they're offering something too good to be true.
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