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    Is Chip Kelly still a moron???? Or a mad genius

    He got a lot of negative publicity after trading Foles and some draft picks for Bradford

    Now he lands Murray. I know for a fact they're close and would be surprised if Bradford being in Philly wasn't instrumental in getting Murray there

    In hindsight, this team on paper is much, much better off than last years team. Bradford and Murray for Foles and some draft picks?

    Mad FUKKING genius

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    It will debated until we see the results.

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    Results shouldn't determine if they're good trades or not

    lets look independent of that

    Has he put together a more talented team this year?

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    He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.
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    Chip Kelly just farted more football knowledge than you;ll get in a year from this forum

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    Uhhhh...how would you possibly know this team is much better than last years? Besides Murray....the 5 players acquired by Eagles played just 23 gms COMBINED last yr: Bradford (0), Alonso (0), Thurmond (2), Mathews (8), Maxwell (13)

    Hmmmm.......Foles/McCoy/Maclin or Bradford/Murray/Cooper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Results shouldn't determine if they're good trades or not

    lets look independent of that

    Has he put together a more talented team this year?
    Disagree. It's a results oriented business. Go to the Y or the church bingo hall if results don't matter
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    He saved money. Let's not forget he wasn't going to win with the previous group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Nino View Post
    He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.
    He traded Foles and draft picks for Bradford and Murray.

    Thats a much more palatable trade, one that clearly favors the Eagles.

    Bradford for Foles was basically a lateral trade, it was only the draft picks that skewed it a bit but now with Murray and assuming Bradford played a role in him going to Philly, those draft picks don't look so important now

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    i'm going with still a moron myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    Disagree. It's a results oriented business. Go to the Y or the church bingo hall if results don't matter
    After all is said and done, yes, this trade will be judged by the results.

    But today we don't have that benefit and a logical discussion can be had without ever knowing the results.

    Individuals with Boring minds talk about the past, average minds talk about the present and brilliant minds talk about the future. Let's think ahead a bit here seaborn, that's all I'm asking

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    little early for all this football talk IMO

    Eagles will be fine they just need to get a good WR now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    Uhhhh...how would you possibly know this team is much better than last years? Besides Murray....the 5 players acquired by Eagles played just 23 gms COMBINED last yr: Bradford (0), Alonso (0), Thurmond (2), Mathews (8), Maxwell (13)

    Hmmmm.......Foles/McCoy/Maclin or Bradford/Murray/Cooper?

    Pass.
    This is a fair point, one that's open for discussion

    They're clearly better because they have two players from the VAUNTED 2008 OU Sooners

    Shouldve been obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    After all is said and done, yes, this trade will be judged by the results.

    But today we don't have that benefit and a logical discussion can be had without ever knowing the results.

    Individuals with Boring minds talk about the past, average minds talk about the present and brilliant minds talk about the future. Let's think ahead a bit here seaborn, that's all I'm asking
    you can talk about it being a great trade all you want, but if they go 500 or some shit next year, then it doesn't matter. not that we should never talk about the future in sports, but you're painting it as though all of his moves are a success when really there hasn't been any significant additions vs what he's given up. this isn't exactly the cavs trading for love or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    little early for all this football talk IMO

    Eagles will be fine they just need to get a good WR now.
    Bitch you don't dictate what the Fukk we talk about

    if we were sitting around a stone table at a poorly lit cigar lounge and you said that, I'd slap the living fukk out of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Bitch you don't dictate what the Fukk we talk about

    if we were sitting around a stone table at a poorly lit cigar lounge and you said that, I'd slap the living fukk out of you
    yeah and i would pull out my rooster and put it in your wifes ass.

    just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by texhooper View Post
    you can talk about it being a great trade all you want, but if they go 500 or some shit next year, then it doesn't matter. not that we should never talk about the future in sports, but you're painting it as though all of his moves are a success when really there hasn't been any significant additions vs what he's given up. this isn't exactly the cavs trading for love or something like that.
    talking about sports after the fact is BORINg, there's nothing left to the imagination. Anyone can do it

    i prefer to separate myself from the boys

    Love going to wasn't nearly as big an addition as Bradford and Murray going to Philly

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    Bear you clearly missed my point

    you don't wanna talk football, fine

    then shut the fukk up and go create another thread asking if anyone here paints rainbows for a living because you're thinking about doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    He traded Foles and draft picks for Bradford and Murray.

    Thats a much more palatable trade, one that clearly favors the Eagles.

    Bradford for Foles was basically a lateral trade, it was only the draft picks that skewed it a bit but now with Murray and assuming Bradford played a role in him going to Philly, those draft picks don't look so important now
    Murray was a FA. Had nothing to do with the trade. The trades he made were awful. Neither Bradford or Murray will play every game. Murray was using the Eagles as leverage and it back fired. He goes to a worse team in a worse city away from where he grew up. Not to mention the tax implications. Murray wanted to stay in Dallas. Now you have an often injured RB who was just worked like a pack mule. Kelly overhauled a team with injury prone players when he didn't need to. He's trying to be the kooky, smartest guy in the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Nino View Post
    Murray was a FA. Had nothing to do with the trade. The trades he made were awful. Neither Bradford or Murray will play every game. Murray was using the Eagles as leverage and it back fired. He goes to a worse team in a worse city away from where he grew up. Not to mention the tax implications. Murray wanted to stay in Dallas. Now you have an often injured RB who was just worked like a pack mule. Kelly overhauled a team with injury prone players when he didn't need to. He's trying to be the kooky, smartest guy in the room.
    Everyone wants to be the next Bellicek

    I realize Murray was a FA and the Bradford trade didn't directly involve Murray. But Bradford being in Philly played a big role in Murray going to Philly IMO. And that makes the trade and Murray signing indirectly linked. I don't think Murray goes to Philly if Bradford isn't there and I think Kelly knew this. Murray was more his trophy than Bradford. Bradford was simply fish bait.

    And that to me is pretty fukking impressive.

    I don't think last years work load will affect Murray much next year, am I being naive? He's got the whole off season to recover

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Nino View Post
    He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.
    Murray will help - and all of a sudden McCoy for LB looks great, but it's tough to get past the Foles trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Everyone wants to be the next Bellicek

    I realize Murray was a FA and the Bradford trade didn't directly involve Murray. But Bradford being in Philly played a big role in Murray going to Philly IMO. And that makes the trade and Murray signing indirectly linked. I don't think Murray goes to Philly if Bradford isn't there and I think Kelly knew this. Murray was more his trophy than Bradford. Bradford was simply fish bait.

    And that to me is pretty fukking impressive.

    I don't think last years work load will affect Murray much next year, am I being naive? He's got the whole off season to recover
    The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach
    I'm sure money had nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    Murray will help - and all of a sudden McCoy for LB looks great, but it's tough to get past the Foles trade.
    I partly agree. Murray is a step up from McCoy in all facets of the game at this point in their careers.

    But if you think the Murray signing really helps the Eagles (which it does), then you have to get past the Bradford trade.

    Because without the Bradford trade the Eagles don't get Murray.

    And the Eagles really didn't even give up much in the trade. They got a QB that is at least as good, arguable more talented, than Foles. The draft picks were really the only questionable part of the deal and now that we see the Bradford trade was only a piece of the puzzle, it appears Kelly is more crafty than I had thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post

    The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach

    Exactly

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    Come on guys wake up. If you look today the result he's a genius.

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    Let's see how Bradford does many think he has a lot of talent

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    Bradford easily comeback player of the year next season

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    I'm a big Chip Kelly fan....Always side with the guys who take a shot doing things their way and think outside the box

    Good for the game, win or lose

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    I'm a big Chip Kelly fan....Always side with the guys who take a shot doing things their way and think outside the box

    Good for the game, win or lose
    Like Steve Spurrier, Marc Trestman, and Pete Carroll his first two gigs. Thinking outside the box usually gets you coaching outside of the stadium. PAUL Westhead with the Nuggets did it his way too.

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    Let's see....

    Worse at QB
    Worse at WR
    Lost 2 of your O-Line
    And a lateral move at RB.

    Sounds brilliant
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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    Like Steve Spurrier, Marc Trestman, and Pete Carroll his first two gigs. Thinking outside the box usually gets you coaching outside of the stadium.
    You just named 2 guys who have won multiple championships though, one being an absolute legend in NCAAF

    Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't....but gotta give it a shot or we'd all be watching the single wing offense from every team

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    If Dallas drafts Melvin Gordon he'll have 1300 yards

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    Let's see....

    Worse at QB
    Worse at WR
    Lost 2 of your O-Line
    And a lateral move at RB.

    Sounds brilliant
    Offseason isn't over yet...got better on defense too

    Agree so far on the WR part though...should've kept Maclin for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    If Dallas drafts Melvin Gordon he'll have 1300 yards
    coach gets it. that o-line is great. i don't even like the damn cowboys, and am not coming to their rescue, but it's not worth paying a guy significant money when he has had his most productive year at the rb position. these guys always, it might even be like 100% of the time, take a dip after 400+ carries in a year. let chip kelly have him, who cares. he'll be hurt after two weeks anyway.

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