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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
    • 65286

    #1
    The Knicks are getting 'killed' by the media from all angles.
    2x NBA All-Star Calls Out Tom Thibodeau After Knicks-Pacers Game 2
  • ChuckyTheGoat
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 04-04-11
    • 36944

    #2
    That guy should have changed his name. 1000x: "Oh, the other IThomas."
    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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    • KRIT
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 01-11-14
      • 12878

      #3
      To be completely fair, NYK fans can't have it both ways. Thibs is getting hit hard for playing Payne to start the 4th quarter, which pretty much sealed the game for them. But then you also have NYK fans saying trust your bench.

      NYK just isn't that good. What team actually thought that adding KAT would make them a contender for a championship?
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      • stevenash
        Moderator
        • 01-17-11
        • 65286

        #4
        Originally posted by KRIT
        What team actually thought that adding KAT would make them a contender for a championship?
        I can semi-defend the KAT deal.

        You have to remember, when Hartenstein bolted to OKC, that left them with only Precious and Robinson to play center.
        Precious is useless. I like Robinson coming off the bench as a PF or a center, I think Robinson would make a pretty good starting center if he weren't so brittle.

        The Knicks went into scramble/panic mode to replace Hartenstein, they weren't going to win anything with a frail Robinson at center with Precious backing him up. The best viable deal was to flip Julius Randle for KAT.

        KAT's problem is that he's a world-class weak defender, especially around the rim.
        Oh, sure, he can put up 20 points a night regularly, and snag ten rebounds a game, but so can a dozen other starting centers, the difference being those centers all have demonstrably better defensive skills. KAT's defense diminishes greatly his offensive output.



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        • stevenash
          Moderator
          • 01-17-11
          • 65286

          #5
          Priceless

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          • johnnyvegas13
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 05-21-15
            • 27853

            #6
            Knicks ml gm 3 ( not really )
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            • KRIT
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 01-11-14
              • 12878

              #7
              Originally posted by stevenash

              I can semi-defend the KAT deal.

              You have to remember, when Hartenstein bolted to OKC, that left them with only Precious and Robinson to play center.
              Precious is useless. I like Robinson coming off the bench as a PF or a center, I think Robinson would make a pretty good starting center if he weren't so brittle.

              The Knicks went into scramble/panic mode to replace Hartenstein, they weren't going to win anything with a frail Robinson at center with Precious backing him up. The best viable deal was to flip Julius Randle for KAT.

              KAT's problem is that he's a world-class weak defender, especially around the rim.
              Oh, sure, he can put up 20 points a night regularly, and snag ten rebounds a game, but so can a dozen other starting centers, the difference being those centers all have demonstrably better defensive skills. KAT's defense diminishes greatly his offensive output.


              NYK would have been better off bringing back Hartenstein and moving Randle for a smaller name player.

              KAT is never the answer as a missing piece to a championship team. He is the big man James Harden. Puts up nice numbers but doesn’t play defense and won’t show up in certain big games.

              If I’m the GM I would try to bring in a quality big who plays defense and a wing who can handle the ball and score. Brunson is great but the guy pounds the ball for 15 seconds and is totally isolation dependent. It’s just a poorly constructed team. Keep Brunson, keep one of OG or Bridges and then completely turn the roster. They need four other guys around Brunson who can defend, and another guy who can create his own shot.
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              • allabout the $$$
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 04-17-10
                • 9843

                #8
                Originally posted by KRIT

                NYK would have been better off bringing back Hartenstein and moving Randle for a smaller name player.

                KAT is never the answer as a missing piece to a championship team. He is the big man James Harden. Puts up nice numbers but doesn’t play defense and won’t show up in certain big games.

                If I’m the GM I would try to bring in a quality big who plays defense and a wing who can handle the ball and score. Brunson is great but the guy pounds the ball for 15 seconds and is totally isolation dependent. It’s just a poorly constructed team. Keep Brunson, keep one of OG or Bridges and then completely turn the roster. They need four other guys around Brunson who can defend, and another guy who can create his own shot.
                they couldn't bring ihart back. The most they could have offered him in their contract situation was 17m per okc paid him 29per he would have been an idiot to walk away from that.

                They couldn't trade randle for a lesser player they had to match salary with the cap space. Randle was also going into a walk year. So either trade him or let him walk for nothing. He wasnt accepting a deal less than 35-40m per and the knicks weren't doing that.

                As far As robinson. He has been brittle throughout his career. Knicks have a new team dr who was just voted best in the nba. He kept og healthy and playing all those minutes which he could never do prior to this season.

                Move mitch to the starting line up. Move hart to the bench. Solves the defense issue. Whatever team cant play their big in the middle daring hart to shoot with that lineup. Would give more spacing to the other 4 players.

                Take what I say with a grain of salt. Im a die hard knicks fan and season ticket holder.
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                • Headsterx
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-03-16
                  • 22574

                  #9
                  Extra! Extra! Pacers lay the smack down on Knicks again, again and again!

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                  • packerd_00
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 05-22-13
                    • 17789

                    #10
                    Who are the Knicks fans going to blame tonight.
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                    • stevenash
                      Moderator
                      • 01-17-11
                      • 65286

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Headsterx
                      Extra! Extra! Pacers lay the smack down on Knicks again, again and again!

                      From your lips to God's ears, amigo.
                      I think you know I'm an original Jersey boy before I married and moved here to New England.
                      Anyhoo, I grew up on the other side of the Hudson River, 20 miles from the Big Apple.

                      Point being, I grew up with all the Knicks Yahoo's.
                      Knicks fans are as loyal to their team as Tessie Dog is to me.
                      I respect that.

                      Having said all that, Knicks fans whine too much; it's beyond annoying.
                      I can understand the crankiness. If my team hasn't won anything relevant since Gerald Ford took over for Nixon, I'd be crusty too.

                      I can't stomach Dolan, owner of MSG, the Knicks, and the NHL Rangers.
                      The dude is a master class elite blowhard.
                      (Unlike your pal Nasher, who's a world-class windbag, there's a big difference between 'blowhard' and 'windbag' by the way)

                      James Dolan is nothing but a Long Island brat, he fell ass backwards into his daddy's (Charles Dolan), gazillion dollars. Charles created the Cablevision empire, not to mention HBO, and others. Charles and his brother Larry (Jimmy's uncle) created that empire from the ground up; all James did was inherit most of it. Believe me, he's not that bright, he's not a blithering idiot, I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying James Dolan is of average intelligence who just happened to be born with that silver spoon in his mouth.

                      I have no respect for multi-millionaires who didn't do much to get there, like Bezos or Mike Bloomberg, for instance, who are self-made.

                      It looks like his Knicks might be swept, while I feel sincerely bad for that Knick fan base who just want a championship, I will not shed a tear for that jackass owner.

                      Not for nothing, what exactly has his NY Ranger won lately?

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                      • CanuckG
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-23-10
                        • 21978

                        #12
                        Knicks showing heart
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                        • allabout the $$$
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 04-17-10
                          • 9843

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Headsterx
                          Extra! Extra! Pacers lay the smack down on Knicks again, again and again!

                          Sure looked like a smack down
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                          • allabout the $$$
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-17-10
                            • 9843

                            #14
                            Originally posted by packerd_00
                            Who are the Knicks fans going to blame tonight.
                            So who are the knicks fans blaming?
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                            • ChuckyTheGoat
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 04-04-11
                              • 36944

                              #15
                              That was one hell of a comeback. Season on the line:
                              *Towns sometimes catches flak. Guy came thru. Hard to stop a tall shooter.
                              Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                              • Headsterx
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-03-16
                                • 22574

                                #16
                                Originally posted by allabout the $$$

                                Sure looked like a smack down
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                                • allabout the $$$
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 04-17-10
                                  • 9843

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                                  That was one hell of a comeback. Season on the line:
                                  *Towns sometimes catches flak. Guy came thru. Hard to stop a tall shooter.
                                  He did come thru. Huge 4th quarter. Need him to play that way all game. He whines to much to the officials for my liking.
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                                  • packerd_00
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 05-22-13
                                    • 17789

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by allabout the $$$

                                    So who are the knicks fans blaming?
                                    Wow very brave wait until after the game is done.
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65286

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by CanuckG
                                      Knicks showing heart
                                      Indeed, a very gutsy come-from-behind win.
                                      Well played.

                                      I was chatting with a local sports writer acquaintance of mine earlier this morning on 'X'
                                      He asked, "How is it that the Knicks choked game one, whereas the Pacers didn't choke game three?"

                                      I replied, "You're asking the wrong guy. I believe both teams lost games, but they should have won. But since you're asking, you guys (referring to the professional sports writers, I don't consider myself a 'professional' sports writer) define clutch as down five points with under five minutes left to play in the game. If so, with the direct opposite of clutch being choke, and applying those same metrics only in reverse, it's a choke.

                                      I don't hate on the Knicks per se, I don't hate on much anything except Hitler and Mussolini.
                                      I can't stomach the owner who inherited a boatload of money, entitles him to be a bully.

                                      I like Josh Hart and Brunson for their mental toughness. Brunson is a top-five NBA point guard as well.
                                      I'm not crazy about KAT; his offensive output is greatly diminished by his poor defense, especially around the rim.

                                      Coach Thibs baffles me, but I don't hate on him either.
                                      Starting the game with Robinson and Towns as pivots was a good idea, something Thibs should have tested earlier in the regular season. What baffles me is running Deion Wright all those minutes the other night, especially since Wright hasn't played in any relevant games since he was a member of the Atlanta Hawks. If those two had backfired, Thibs would have been promoted from the back burner to the front burner with heat dialed up to scorching. Everything worked out, and I suppose you can say Coach Thibs' nine-man rotation is undefeated.

                                      I've already stated the fan base has my respect as they are loyal as they come to their beloved Knicks.
                                      Which all brings me to the point I want to make. (I warned you guys earlier that I'm a long-winded windbag)

                                      I'm not a Knicks fan; that does not make me a Knicks hater.
                                      I love the NY fanbase, as previously stated.
                                      I understand the Knicks fans' frustrations over the playoff loss last season. But come on now, New York City is the unofficial basketball capital of the world. The fans know you must play the team that the schedule says you must play, regardless of injuries.
                                      Every team has key injuries; complaining about them is hypocritical; that doesn't make them overall hypocrites.

                                      I wasn't looking to create a flame topic discussion. (Most call them threads, I prefer to call them topic discussions, it's the same though) I don't start flame wars intentionally, but sometimes they turn out that way.

                                      Whenever I create topic discussions, I ask myself, Is the topic relevant, and does it promote good chatter?
                                      There are other factors, but creating a shit storm is not one of them.

                                      The last item, but please don't make me promise something I may not be able to keep, lol.
                                      You Knicks fans are rough, too. It's all good.

                                      Knicks Fans Furious With Tom Thibodeau's Substitutions in Game 3 vs. Pacers








                                      Last edited by stevenash; Today, 02:55 AM.
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                                      • 2Sweeet
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 08-31-22
                                        • 1155

                                        #20
                                        I have a bad feeling this will be 2-2 heading back to NY tomorrow. I have huge futures on Indy but I can't hedge yet cuz Foster wont be doing game 5. I hope I'm wrong. The refs aren't the problem here yet!!! I have a feeling they may be today .
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                                        • allabout the $$$
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 04-17-10
                                          • 9843

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by packerd_00

                                          Wow very brave wait until after the game is done.
                                          Well who are they going to blame before the game is over?
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                                          • packerd_00
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 05-22-13
                                            • 17789

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by allabout the $$$

                                            Well who are they going to blame before the game is over?
                                            You've never seen fans call a game before it's over and ask for the team to be blown up.?
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                                            • allabout the $$$
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 04-17-10
                                              • 9843

                                              #23
                                              Fans always complain about something. Nature of the beast. Thats why fans wind up looking stupid 99% of the time
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                                              • pavyracer
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 04-12-07
                                                • 82522

                                                #24
                                                The refs are making sure the media are not killing the Knicks.
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