Online BlackJack

Ganchrow · 08-06-07, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Starbuckibm

I wouldn't be surprised if these casino's were rigged in their software. At times there would be a delay when the dealer was dealing and it would lead me to believe what the real delay was. "Oh I've got 11, let me flip through here and be sure a face card comes out since he has 20"

I think it safe to consider this a somewhat inaccurate representation of the mechanism underlying computer blackjack.

Starbuckibm · 08-06-07, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Ganchrow

I think it safe to consider this a somewhat inaccurate representation of the mechanism underlying computer blackjack.

So your saying they are more than likely not rigged or have some sort of "system" in place? Please discuss a little further as I have always wonder about this topic and would love to see how it's really done at a sportsbook.

jjgold · 08-06-07, 09:01 PM

the more you bet the more the software is rigged, that is fact backed up by data.

Starbuckibm · 08-06-07, 09:03 PM

Well either way it doesn't matter to me. I am just curious on the topic and wanted to know if anyone had any input on the topic. I am sure some of the A books play it straight, but some of the hands I have seen I am lead to wonder if that is true or not.

SBR Lou · 08-06-07, 09:07 PM

Yes I played some at a book. I also would like to add I know very little about solid BJ strategy, I just felt like gambling. Played some where max bet was 500, I made a few small bets, then decided to gamble and pumped 500 the next hand, I was dealt KJ and dealer busted. I then decided that was enough of an adventure.

However, I donated that back plus some more one night and haven't played BJ since. gg casino.

abacus30 · 08-06-07, 09:13 PM

totally rigged... no doubt about it, period. I say this from experience playing at multiple online blackjack tables (sportsbook, bodog and betjam to be specific). They're all the same. The more you bet, the more they win... like 20 hands in a row.

Ganchrow · 08-06-07, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Starbuckibm

So your saying they are more than likely not rigged or have some sort of "system" in place? Please discuss a little further as I have always wonder about this topic and would love to see how it's really done at a sportsbook.

Well, yes, I am saying that with -- especially respect to established software providers, but that's beside the point.

In the context of my previous post I was suggesting that it's utterly unreasonable to infer machinations strictly from a delay in dealing.

The converse is of course equally fatuous. Even if a particular piece of blackjack software were rigged there's no reason why that should in turn imply any noticeable delay in the dealing of a hand.

B1GER1C828 · 08-06-07, 10:06 PM

i've done alot of online casino games or w/e, i doubt its that much rigged. Ive won 300 bux in like 20 mins on roulette wit 1 dolla bets, and ive lost like 70 quikcly also, and yet ive done/seen that in real life also. tough 2 judge

isetcap · 08-06-07, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by abacus30

totally rigged... no doubt about it, period. I say this from experience playing at multiple online blackjack tables (sportsbook, bodog and betjam to be specific). They're all the same. The more you bet, the more they win... like 20 hands in a row.

In reading this post, I can say without a doubt that this is the comment of someone in perhaps one of his/her most idiotic moments besides the times during which he/she chose to play blackjack.

marke4 · 08-06-07, 10:29 PM

the software is not rigged, since it is audited by respectable companies. However, if you read the small print you will notice that it is usually 4 decks shuffled each hand. And since satistically your worst odds are on a brand new deck, each hand is the worst odds. This allows for unusual things to happen like losing 12-13 hands in a row.

ProlinePlayer · 08-06-07, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by marke4

However, if you read the small print you will notice that it is usually 4 decks shuffled each hand. And since satistically your worst odds are on a brand new deck, each hand is the worst odds. This allows for unusual things to happen like losing 12-13 hands in a row.

Sorry to be so blunt but ...

that's nonsense.

LargeMouthBass · 08-06-07, 10:35 PM

It's rigged, how can the decks be everlasting? Don't play the online casino games, that's the best advice I can give you.

Mudcat · 08-06-07, 10:42 PM

On-line casinos don't need to rig the software to make money with blackjack. The rules of the game are rigged so you will lose. With the fairest deal in the world, everyone should lose.

Of course if you are pre-disposed to seeing conspiracies or blaming the world for your bad choices, on-line blackjack is a prime candidate for finger-pointing.

There may be some cases where there is hanky panky going on but with most casinos, you just lose because you are choosing to gamble on a losing proposition.

Ganchrow · 08-06-07, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by ProlinePlayer

Sorry to be so blunt but ...

that's nonsense.

And in point of fact ... a basic strategy player's odds are actually better when a deck is continuously shuffled than when the deck plays to a preset cut card.

So extrapolating from that, unless a player is counting cards, he should prefer to play a game with a continuous shuffle machine than at game (with otherwise identical rules) dealt from a shoe.

It's actually a pretty interesting (and some might say surprising) phenomenon.

Iwinyourmoney · 08-07-07, 12:10 AM

About two years ago I was up 5,000 on sportsinteraction blackjack off of $50. I would play $1 bets until the dealer busted, then max bet and win. The next day the system cought on and corrected itself. Same on party poker, but I actally casshed out $4k from them using the same stragety. Bet huge when they bust, then bet little till they bust again, and so on.

isetcap · 08-07-07, 12:41 AM

It is truly a testament to the power of civilization that so many people are able to survive with such limited intelligence. I can only sit, shake my head, and occasionally laugh about it all.

jjgold · 08-07-07, 06:22 AM

Poker is rigged too online

Good hands are spread out evenly to keep people in the game to get more rakes.

Do not play anything online except sports and horses.

chano · 08-07-07, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Poker is rigged too online

Do not play anything online except sports and horses.

Exactly. Never mind all the bull shit people are saying that you will lose anyways as it is a losing proposition. Regular black jack dealt at a casino gives you an opportunity to win. Online (yes its rigged, HELLO!!) does not. Simple Level 1 . Anyone that believes otherwise, jump now.

Starbuckibm · 08-07-07, 07:11 AM

Some good responses guys...a lot of mixed feelings on this topic. It would be interesting to see the actual software behind the scenes and see how it works.

One part I disagree with is shuffling the deck each time a hand is dealt. In a real casino if you have six decks then you will play through the entire six decks. You never see the dealer shuffle the cards after each hand.

SBR_John · 08-07-07, 08:01 AM

The large books and casinos are not rigged. They dont need to be to wipe you out. The odds are in their favor everytime you click your mouse.

We have worked with the owner of this site testing casino software in disputes. www.wizardofodds.com

isetcap · 08-07-07, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Starbuckibm

Some good responses guys...a lot of mixed feelings on this topic. It would be interesting to see the actual software behind the scenes and see how it works.

One part I disagree with is shuffling the deck each time a hand is dealt. In a real casino if you have six decks then you will play through the entire six decks. You never see the dealer shuffle the cards after each hand.

I'm not sure what "real" casino you are talking about, but in every major casino throughout the world they NEVER go through the entire shoe of decks. Various casinos have slight modifications and rule sets to each type of blackjack they offer. This creates blackjack games that incorporate one single deck of cards all the way to as many as eight decks of cards if not more in some extreme variations. For every single different game that is offered by all the different establishments, you will never find them dealing more than 2/3 of the way into the overall deck. In most cases only half the available cards are used prior to shuffling.

Stumpage · 08-07-07, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

The large books and casinos are not rigged. They dont need to be to wipe you out. The odds are in their favor everytime you click your mouse.

Good point.....Mathematics will eventually catch up to you and rear it's ugly head the longer you play, which means in all probability you're going to come out on the short end. But hey, it seems somebody always has a fabled "system".....

Ganchrow · 08-07-07, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

I'm not sure what "real" casino you are talking about, but in every major casino throughout the world they NEVER go through the entire shoe of decks. Various casinos have slight modifications and rule sets to each type of blackjack they offer. This creates blackjack games that incorporate one single deck of cards all the way to as many as eight decks of cards if not more in some extreme variations. For every single different game that is offered by all the different establishments, you will never find them dealing more than 2/3 of the way into the overall deck. In most cases only half the available cards are used prior to shuffling.

And of course course most casinos now use "continuous shuffling machines" for some or all of their BJ games. CSMs shuffle cards automatically after each and every hand.

jackpot · 08-07-07, 10:43 AM

I'm up 700 playing BJ and won a progressive pot playing another casino game.

While it may be "rigged" - I haven't lost money yet and enjoy it.

isetcap · 08-07-07, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Ganchrow

And of course course most casinos now use "continuous shuffling machines" for some or all of their BJ games. CSMs shuffle cards automatically after each and every hand.

Certainly the facilities that can afford equip themselves with this technology do use it. This way there is less time spent dealing and more time available for milking the players at roughly 0.5% - 1% of money wagered (even more for the majority of players who use no consistent strategy, rely on ESP they don't have, or incorrectly apply basic strategy techniques).

I'm still not sure I can understand why these casinos want to deal a corrupt game of blackjack when they have the advantage based on the posted rules in the first place. Even the most perfect player must lose over time in a situation where card counting is not feasible. It seems that the more money players are wagering, the more money the house makes. So the worst thing a casino could do would be to risk being caught cheating (which could easily be discovered), and then being legitimately exposed as frauds. Once that happens then there is no money coming in. I think this very notion is reason enough for the big operations to want to deal a fair game. Regulation is not necessary when intelligence is applied. It's a system that achieves balance simply by its very nature.

I'd love to be enlightened on the motive behind all these establishments that are "without a doubt" cheating.

Starbuckibm · 08-07-07, 11:12 AM

Excellent point isetcap. Why risk getting caught cheating when the house already has the advantage and will win it over the longhaul. In fact most of their players have no strategy at all so they will lose the roll faster than ever.

abacus30 · 08-07-07, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

In reading this post, I can say without a doubt that this is the comment of someone in perhaps one of his/her most idiotic moments besides the times during which he/she chose to play blackjack.

Just going off experience sh*tcap. Have you played a few thousand hands online versus a few thousand hands at casinos? You sure like to judge others. What's your experience been with online casinos?

WileOut · 08-07-07, 09:41 PM

I'm not here to say whether it is rigged or not. Nobody knows except the people involved with running the software and the owners of the book.

Buy why would they not rig it? It is unregulated and with all the addicts out there playing $500 hands, it is a potential gold mine. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that it is rigged at most places online. However I do not know that for sure and will hold back a judgement on something I'm not sure about.

isetcap · 08-08-07, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by abacus30

Just going off experience sh*tcap. Have you played a few thousand hands online versus a few thousand hands at casinos? You sure like to judge others. What's your experience been with online casinos?

I can assure you there is a very high probability that I have no less that 1000 times the experience you have with online casinos and likely a good deal more in real casinos. In addition to that, I have kept detailed records of all action at over 100 different online casinos for the past 8 years. Based on those records I can safely say that I have only played at one casino where something occured that could not be statistically accounted for within the realm of appropriate deviational analysis. That casino is called CASINOBAR and it is no surprise that it has since been purchased by a legitimate group once their fraudulence was exposed.

It just doesn't make sense for a casino to deal an unfair game, when it's much easier to simply avoid paying players if they should happen to win. Now THAT situation I have experienced on more than one occasion, but I tend to think that it was because the casino got beaten badly and not because there was intent to steal.

I think that if you really evaluate the logic behind all of this, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch for you to realize that maybe you just lost fair and square.

SlapDash · 08-08-07, 01:49 AM

This thread is almost better than this tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAX6yi60OPY

Why bother arguing? It makes good sense that it'll be bad business in the long run for a site to juice their profit by running a spiced deck, sooner or later they'll get caught. On the other hand, nobody in their right mind could deny that the possibility of cheating exists.

You shouldn't even be thinking about playing online BJ. The only way to make a profit at it is by scalping bonuses. Anything else is like capping for negative value and hitting those lines hard.

EJandV · 10-07-07, 05:22 AM

Tricks Of The Trade :

Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney

About two years ago I was up 5,000 on sportsinteraction blackjack off of $50. I would play $1 bets until the dealer busted, then max bet and win. The next day the system cought on and corrected itself. Same on party poker, but I actally casshed out $4k from them using the same stragety. Bet huge when they bust, then bet little till they bust again, and so on.

The system didnt catch on ? (thats has to be a top 10 punch line of all time for suckers) They let you do well to bait you in. I doubt you cashed out with 4 grand .
What you wrote above makes no sense whatsoever , not even if I used the most optimistic reasoning would what you are saying be realistic . You dont get it by what you say here . <<<

Online casinos have levels they set their games on .

On memeorable occassions (HOLIDAYS) they may set it TO NOVICE , to let people do well because they know people will remember that time and will get HOOKED .

PLANTING THE SEED !!!!!!!

HAPPY BOY · 10-07-07, 07:29 AM

call your book and tell them to block access to the casino. No charge for this advice ,just saved you a ton of doe and grief, your welcome.

EJandV · 10-07-07, 07:45 AM

They declined saying they did not have that option . The main blackjack site I am talking about is sportsbook.com .
Yeah , I know , they are shi# , but the biggest book on the planet ??????
Strange adjective mix to say the least , shit# but biggest . haha gotta love it . This time last year we lost around 10 grand 2 months in a row playing bj with those fukks .
Paradise Poker , when they were affliliated with sportsbok.com , same type of rigged system .
WSex poker ? cool , but no good either .
Partypoker ? get the fukk outta here !!!!!!!
several other sites never a good result really .

Those mfers are always in a win win situation , kinda like WalMart , no difference .
My wife got suckered in to all that crap . sniff sniff .

EJandV · 10-07-07, 07:53 AM

Only I know all the passwords now for my books , so the problem here is fixed . I type these truths so others know whats up and dont get played like we did <<<<<<<<<<<<<< The truth can save a planet , a lie can destroy a happy family.