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    JF301
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    Looking For Legit 3rd Party Service/Tout Trackers And Not Scam Monitoring Sites?

    Look for the services monitored on respectable sites such as:
    handicapperswatchdog
    pickmonitor
    betadvisor

    Stay away from the scam monitors that get paid from touts such as:
    thesportsmonitor (oklahoma)
    eagleeyesportsmonitor
    cappertek




    Thank me later or PM me for even more insight.


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    JF301
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    Tout searching 101:

    NEVER TRUST A TOUT WITHOUT ANY THIRD PARTY RECORDS WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!!!

    NEVER TRUST A TOUT THAT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS....

    NEVER TRUST A TOUT WITH THEIR OWN RECORDS...

    NEVER TRUST A TOUT ON TWITER WITH TWITER RECORDS (TWEETS CAN BE DELETED)...

    IF YOU CAN'T SEE LONG TERM RECORDS FROM A RESPECTABLE THIRD PARTY...THE TOUT HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE

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    In conclusion, NEVER TRUST A FUKING TOUT, unless they have full records and EVERY past play for the public to see from a respectable 3rd party tracking service. Not last 30 days or 60 days either. The whole season and life long history of each and every play.

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    No tracking

    What do you say about a handicapper that has no tracking but has been online for 13 years and is very independent?
    You want to sign up ok if not you can go elsewhere.

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    You're welcome rookies. This lesson took a year or two by most of us, and many more by the dumb fuks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattoo View Post
    What do you say about a handicapper that has no tracking but has been online for 13 years and is very independent?
    You want to sign up ok if not you can go elsewhere.
    For certain cases, ask around. You'll get a quick answer if he's been around that long.

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    My Opinion on Monitoring Services and Guaranteed Plays
    One of the most frequently asked questions we get on our sites are similar to, "Are you monitored?" or "Who monitors you?" These are certainly fair questions, usually by those that keep themselves well informed about Sports Services. Having been in business for over 30 years now, i have seen it all, the good and the bad. Years ago most gambling information for players would come from "Boiler Rooms", Services that would call out to your home or office based upon lists of gamblers that were sold. The person that calls is never a Handicapper, but merely a salesman whose purpose is to close you for more and more money before they give a play out. These Services used to originate mainly from New York or Las Vegas, but they could be calling from anywhere. After i turned down requests to handicap for some of these "Scamdicappers" years ago, somehow i managed to get on these lists myself. A call would come in, "Rich, do you have your lines up for tonight's games?" Regardless of my answer that i was not interested in their "information", a salesman (or saleswoman) would pitch me to death about a "Lock of the Year", or a "Game of the Month". I finally overcame this by simply asking the caller, "OK, i will go with your Service, but one question first please." Then i would ask the pitchman, "Simply give me the names of two Guards in the Atlantic Division of the NBA first.", or something that would require minimal sports knowledge that anyone who really followed sports would know. They never could give me the answer, they would just put me on hold and get their Manager. For our part, we never call out to anyone, and never buy or sell lists. We are affiliated with no other Services but our own, plain and simple. The fact is that our business is good enough that we don't need to mass e-mail or dial out to gamblers. We offer online services predominantly, our Members simply login with their User/Passwords at their own convenience. They are never called by our staff, nor are they required to call for the plays. The latest fad has been so-called "Guaranteed Plays." This seems to bring money in for some Services, but makes no sense to me from the player's standpoint. Their "guarantee" is generally that the next weekend, or week or season is "free" if the one game that you purchase loses. Why would anyone want a Service to give them plays even for "free" if they don't win? It's not the cost of the Service that breaks players, it's the cost of their gambling losses tied to these Services. And then players risk the same old situation -- when they call for their "Free Plays" they get pitched to buy more plays from the loser Services. The normal scam is to step players up after a loss, so that they can regain and make more money on the latest play that was lost before due to losers they gave out. It's not the scammers money that is lost if this game also goes down, so why should they put the player's interests first? For our part our guarantee is this -- we guarantee that when you login to get your plays, or occasionally call us for your plays, we will give you the plays. It's that simple. No where on our sites do you see any guarantee or phony scammed win percentages listed. Any advertisement that you read that starts out with, "We have hit 89% on our Football Plays over the past 20 years", or "Our Lock of the Month is now 22-0, buy now" is a scam. No one wins all the time. Most of these Services haven't even been in business that long! Now let's get to the monitoring game. There are some decent and fair Monitoring Services. They are less than 2% of the total however, and they too go out of business because they can't make money from the Scamdicappers they don't advertise and cheat for. i have been offered to have my selections, whether free or pay, to be at the top of many Monitoring Services over the years. i have always refused. Some of them even say, "Rich to have your plays on our site we will 'push' your plays up a bit." Translation -- we will cheat to give you a better record than you really earned. All one has to do is look at the advertisers for most Monitoring Services, they are the top scorers in their monitoring system. When i went 27-2 on Free Plays two years ago in September for Baseball and Football in my published Free Columns as Guest Capper on numerous sites, i got a few nice compliments via e-mail. But mostly i received e-mails that contained, "What do you do, post after the games are over?", or "You must cheat!" Then i lost three games in a row. You wouldn't believe the e-mails i got. "Don't you know how much i lost on your Free Plays over the past few days?" or "Your Free Plays stink!" My reply to those idiots was that they had gotten exactly what they paid for! So when my games win i must cheat, and when they lose i suck. Luckily some of the sites i post my Free Columns on post a time stamp, and anyone that really followed me on our own sites can see the plays are up long before the games go off. Our Free Plays can be monitored by anyone who visits our sites long before the games go off. And our Pay Plays are monitored by our returning Pay Players, it's that simple. No cheating is involved, ever! We list our recent Pay Play results daily, simply click on the proper link. We don't claim to win every day, week, month or season. We work hard to provide winners, period. Today i received a nice Football magazine in the mail, my name and mailing address was sold to them from some organization. This is a magazine that has been out in different forms for over 25 years, i saw it years and years ago on magazine racks. It warns everyone about Sports Services, how they "give out opposite sides 50/50", etc. It warns that almost everything in the Sports Information industry is a scam. Except of course their magazine. Then in the back of the magazine it recommends about a dozen services that are supposedly good, along with a few that are supposedly bad, but these are just manufactured phony names. All of these "good" Services are run by the same Scamdicapping organization, and they all are Scam Services!

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    Another Tout lesson:

    NEVER TRUST A TOUTS 60% WIN RATE...THEY COULD BE PLAYING -200 ML FAVORITES AND STILL LOSE YOU MONEY

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    WTF is the green blob???

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    If you have that diamond in the rough that is making you money year after year and is not public or not on any tracking site...PM me and let's keep that service to ourselves and trade diamond for diamond.

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    The one point that I can't stress enough is to be with someone selective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattoo View Post
    The one point that I can't stress enough is to be with someone selective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JF301 View Post
    Look for the services monitored on respectable sites such as:
    handicapperswatchdog
    pickmonitor
    betadvisor

    Stay away from the scam monitors that get paid from touts such as:
    thesportsmonitor (oklahoma)
    eagleeyesportsmonitor
    cappertek




    Thank me later or PM me for even more insight.

    BettingJesus is a classic on Cappertek, look at the last 90 days and see how many "Pending" plays there are, over 10+ which equates to 110 units at least and guess what all LOSSES not counting towards the total!!!!

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    Tread carefully with betadvisor. Sports-tipsters terminated independent monitoring of their service. Their reasoning was pretty much the same as my reason to stop using their handicappers. They constantly "fire" poor performers and elevate people from their tipster academy with short term success. It leads to a constantly rotating parade of clowns with great records who crash and burn after you pay them. There are 2 or 3 at most handicappers that have been on site more than a couple of years.

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    Y'all need to find a better way to blow your money

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    there are ZERO

    all frauds and connected to tout sites

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    there are ZERO

    all frauds and connected to tout sites
    You couldn't be more wrong.

    Handicapperswatchdog is legit as they come. I know this because I have access to many of their services they monitor and everything adds up and has added up for 2 years since I've been monitoring. They actually kick out scam services when they are caught giving away different plays than what they monitor. They do not play favorites either. They show true records and promote only services that are winning. If a service is not winning, they will get no credit until they start winning. If a winning service that has been promoted starts losing, then that service will not get anymore recognition.

    The rest of them I can not vouch for because I have not taken the time to monitor every service closely like I did with HWD. The other two I mentioned that are legit came from what I've heard from other players and cappers.

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    I will pass

    touts dont bet and thats all you need to know

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