Thrice the home team got beaten on SUNDAY NFL prime time...Give me Jets +8.5 tonight

**d2bets** · 10-02-23, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by johnnyvegas13

Looked like he was told to win but make sure jets cover

Looked like he was told (and knew) that a first down ended the game.
First down was 100% win. If he scores, it's like 99.2%.
Last I checked 100% > 99.2%.
Plus, keeps the defense off the field for another drive at the end of a long night where someone might get hurt.

**johnnyvegas13** · 10-02-23, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Looked like he was told (and knew) that a first down ended the game.
First down was 100% win. If he scores, it's like 99.2%.
Last I checked 100% > 99.2%.
Plus, keeps the defense off the field for another drive at the end of a long night where someone might get hurt.

I meant going back before that letting jets back in it

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 08:06 AM

I've said it once, I'll say it again. NFL refs are by far and away the worst of any pro league. way too many judgmental calls and way too much inconsistency...way too much subjectivity and not enough objectivity. and what sucks even more and makes matters much worse, is they even have instant replay to correct bad calls! (which is supposed to fix these human errors) and still doesn't get it right half the damn time when there is both CLEAR and CONCLUSIVE evidence! It's almost like they don't want to embarrass the refs on the field by overturning their calls. In the Eagles-Redskins game, Terry McClaurin clearly had possession of the ball and both feet in bounds !!! but the ref said he was out and replay upheld it!! Unfukkin' real!! this was a key and pivotal moment in the game. all skins fans are screaming bloody murder and rightfully so. It really does make you wonder if someone is getting paid off! See below for reference!

**d2bets** · 10-02-23, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

I've said it once, I'll say it again. NFL refs are by far and away the worst of any pro league. way too many judgmental calls and way too much inconsistency...way too much subjectivity and not enough objectivity. and what sucks, even instant replay (which is supposed to fix these human errors) doesn't get it right half the damn time when there is both CLEAR and CONCLUSIVE evidence! It's almost like they don't want to embarrass the refs on the field by overturning their calls. In the Eagles-Redskins game, Terry McClaurin clearly had possession of the ball and both feet in bounds !!! but the ref said he was out and replay upheld it!! Unfukkin' real!! this was a key and pivotal moment in the game. all skins fans are screaming bloody murder and rightfully so. It really does make you wonder if someone is getting paid off! See below for reference!

Haven't seen this. Do you have the video? Still shots prove nothing.

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Haven't seen this. Do you have the video? Still shots prove nothing.

Ask and ye shall receive! remember what John Madden used to say? that the human body was part of the field! Yes, McClaurin clearly landed on his arm (inbounds) and you can clearly see some green between his toe and the sidelines when it lands (inbounds yet again!) catch confirmed and validated!

**DwightShrute** · 10-02-23, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

I've said it once, I'll say it again. NFL refs are by far and away the worst of any pro league. way too many judgmental calls and way too much inconsistency...way too much subjectivity and not enough objectivity. and what sucks even more and makes matters much worse, is they even have instant replay to correct bad calls! (which is supposed to fix these human errors) and still doesn't get it right half the damn time when there is both CLEAR and CONCLUSIVE evidence! It's almost like they don't want to embarrass the refs on the field by overturning their calls. In the Eagles-Redskins game, Terry McClaurin clearly had possession of the ball and both feet in bounds !!! but the ref said he was out and replay upheld it!! Unfukkin' real!! this was a key and pivotal moment in the game. all skins fans are screaming bloody murder and rightfully so. It really does make you wonder if someone is getting paid off! See below for reference!

I am gonna have to disagree with you here regarding the refs and how they compare to the other pro leagues. You can say that for any league. Strikes and balls in MLB? Fouls in the NBA? No pro league uses more video replays to assist the refs to increase the chances of getting the calls right than the NFL does. I don't think anyways. Perhaps you or someone can make an argument against that?

As far as that play in the pic and the subsequent video you posted goes, you didn't prove it was a legal catch. I was rooting for Washington and in real time I initially thought it was good. Then I saw the video from a a couple different angles. I think you can make the argument that if the Eagles' player's arm wasn't laying there, the receiver would have gotten the second foot in. To me, it looked as if the foot landed on his arm and slid off just enough to land out of bounds by the narrowest of margins. Having said that, if teh refs called it a catch on the field, I am not sure there would have been enough to overturn the call the other way either.

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

I am gonna have to disagree with you here regarding the refs and how they compare to the other pro leagues. You can say that for any league. Strikes and balls in MLB? Fouls in the NBA? No pro league uses more video replays to assist the refs to increase the chances of getting the calls right than the NFL does. I don't think anyways. Perhaps you or someone can make an argument against that?

As far as that play in the pic and the subsequent video you posted goes, you didn't prove it was a legal catch. I was rooting for Washington and in real time I initially thought it was good. Then I saw the video from a a couple different angles. I think you can make the argument that if the Eagles' player's arm wasn't laying there, the receiver would have gotten the second foot in. To me, it looked as if the foot landed on his arm and slid off just enough to land out of bounds by the narrowest of margins. Having said that, if teh refs called it a catch on the field, I am not sure there would have been enough to overturn the call the other way either.

Go look at the video clip that I posted in response to D2Bets. pause @ 00:18! second foot clearly in bounds as you can see at least one inch of green grass between his toe and sideline. IMO, that is undisputable evidence. clear catch all the way ...but OK let's give the zebras a mulligan on that since it was a bang-bang play (to use an MLB reference)...you know what is inexcusable and unacceptable?! a few moments later with the score still tied 17 - 17, Sam Howell throws a long bomb to WR Dyami Brown and the Philly player is grabbing his arm the whole way! and holding it firmly! very concrete and no and's, if's, or but's about it! very blatant and obvious! but yet no flag for PI which would have given the skins a 1st and goal instead of having to punt the football! at the very least, it should have been defensive holding! anyhow, Eagles scored a TD on the ensuing drive to go up 24 - 17! literally changed the whole complexion of the game!

**DwightShrute** · 10-02-23, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

Go look at the video clip that I posted in response to D2Bets. pause @ 00:18! second foot clearly in bounds as you can see at least one inch of green grass between his toe and sideline. IMO, that is undisputable evidence. clear catch all the way ...but OK let's give the zebras a mulligan on that since it was a bang-bang play (to use an MLB reference)...you know what is inexcusable and unacceptable?! a few moments later with the score still tied 17 - 17, Sam Howell throws a long bomb to WR Dyami Brown and the Philly player is grabbing his arm the whole way! and holding it firmly! very concrete and no and's, if's, or but's about it! very blatant and obvious! but yet no flag for PI which would have given the skins a 1st and goal instead of having to punt the football! at the very least, it should have been defensive holding! anyhow, Eagles scored a TD on the ensuing drive to go up 24 - 17! literally changed the whole complexion of the game!

I made it full screen and paused it at 17 and 18 seconds. I don't see 100% that his foot was in. It looked like it was for a split second but then it looked like he hit white. I wanna see it but can't. Regardless, it still was a heck of a throw to get it there.

We can argue about holding calls all day and on just about every play and especially every passing play.

Do you think Washington should have gone for 2 at the end instead of the tie?

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

I made it full screen and paused it at 17 and 18 seconds. I don't see 100% that his foot was in. It looked like it was for a split second but then it looked like he hit white. I wanna see it but can't. Regardless, it still was a heck of a throw to get it there.

We can argue about holding calls all day and on just about every play and especially every passing play.

Do you think Washington should have gone for 2 at the end instead of the tie?

usually I'm in favor of kicking the extra point and giving your team a chance to win the game in OT. but with the new rule changes and OT only being 10 minutes long, and given the fact that skins defense was tired not to mention getting shredded all game long and making Jalen Hurts look like Joe Montana (all day to throw...no pressure whatsoever from our "vaunted" front seven) and the fact that Eagles were basically gassed on defense as well, I would have no qualms whatsoever if Riviera would have gone for it! actually, 100% unequivocally yes he should have gone for the dagger! show the team that you are playing and trying to win the game but more importantly giving your offense a much needed confidence boost that you have faith in them to pick up 2 yards and get the win for the team!

**bhoor** · 10-02-23, 11:27 AM

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**bhoor** · 10-02-23, 11:27 AM

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**DwightShrute** · 10-02-23, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

usually I'm in favor of kicking the extra point and giving your team a chance to win the game in OT. but with the new rule changes and OT only being 10 minutes long, and given the fact that skins defense was tired not to mention getting shredded all game long and making Jalen Hurts look like Joe Montana (all day to throw...no pressure whatsoever from our "vaunted" front seven) and the fact that Eagles were basically gassed on defense as well, I would have no qualms whatsoever if Riviera would have gone for it! actually, 100% unequivocally yes he should have gone for the dagger! show the team that you are playing and trying to win the game but more importantly giving your offense a much needed confidence boost that you have faith in them to pick up 2 yards and get the win for the team!

I agree. Whenever you have 2 yards to go to win a game, you go for it don't you? 2 yards!

**bhoor** · 10-02-23, 11:31 AM

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**kingdom** · 10-02-23, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

I didn't say that. All I'm saying is that you're fitting outcomes into the framework of preconceived notions.

There's never going to be weekend where a handful of games aren't hovering around the number, that's just the nature of the market. Margins are razor thin in the NFL.

such a hard concept for so many to understand. when i saw the mahomes slide, i knew the fixed crap was coming. guys will always take a win on a play like that without regard for the spread or fantasy points lol.

**d2bets** · 10-02-23, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

Ask and ye shall receive! remember what John Madden used to say? that the human body was part of the field! Yes, McClaurin clearly landed on his arm (inbounds) and you can clearly see some green between his toe and the sidelines when it lands (inbounds yet again!) catch confirmed and validated!

Did they confirm the call or did they say it stands? I would have said stands regardless of call. Just can't tell clearly whether he was in or out. It's as close as can be and would not one helluva zoom in to say for sure. Stands.

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Did they confirm the call or did they say it stands? I would have said stands regardless of call. Just can't tell clearly whether he was in or out. It's as close as can be and would not one helluva zoom in to say for sure. Stands.

they said play stands...but again I disagree...I think it's pretty clear cut to anyone that's not legally blind he had two feet in and possession of the ball...again, there is at least one inch of green between his second foot and the sidelines. doesn't matter if it's only for 1/1,000,000th of a nanosecond. it's pretty conclusive to me. As a matter of fact, I think one could make more of a compelling argument for the catch being made as opposed to against it based on the photo and video evidence.

**d2bets** · 10-02-23, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

they said play stands...but again I disagree...I think it's pretty clear cut to anyone that's not legally blind he had two feet in and possession of the ball...again, there is at least one inch of green between his second foot and the sidelines. doesn't matter if it's only for 1/1,000,000th of a nanosecond. it's pretty conclusive to me. As a matter of fact, I think one could make more of a compelling argument for the catch being made as opposed to against it based on the photo and video evidence.

"More compelling argument for" isn't the standard of review. It has to basically be 100% to overturn. Especially on these in vs. out calls. Bears game had one where many thought DJ Moore didn't drag the first foot in. It might have hovered, but you just can't tell for sure. So it rightly stood.

**Da Manster!** · 10-02-23, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

"More compelling argument for" isn't the standard of review. It has to basically be 100% to overturn. Especially on these in vs. out calls. Bears game had one where many thought DJ Moore didn't drag the first foot in. It might have hovered, but you just can't tell for sure. So it rightly stood.

Yeah, that was kind of my cherry on top just to cement my position and argument but I digress...point well taken...so let's fix my previous post!

Originally posted by Da Manster!

they said play stands...but again I disagree...I think it's pretty clear cut to anyone that's not legally blind he had two feet in and possession of the ball...again, there is at least one inch of green between his second foot and the sidelines. doesn't matter if it's only for 1/1,000,000th of a nanosecond. it's pretty conclusive to me. ~~As a matter of fact, I think one could make more of a compelling argument for the catch being made as opposed to against it based on the photo and video evidence.~~

**DwightShrute** · 10-02-23, 01:14 PM

however you saw that play, it was super close. My eyesight is fine and I cannot say for certain he was in. I wanted it to be a catch and while I was watching the reply a dozen times, my gut told me that there wasn't enough to overturn the call. Like so many things, I was right.

If the play on the field was ruled a catch instead, there wasn't enough video evidence to overturn it either.

Based on the rules, its had to be conclusive to overturn. It wasn't conclusive.