Is this really what we want the tournament to be?

**bjb7223** · 03-24-23, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by goduke

I’m all for a sleeper team here and there but this is a garbage tournament
Princeton/Creighton vs San Diego st
Kstate vs Florida Atlantic
Miami vs Texas/Xavier
Uconn vs gonzaga( the only two teams worth watching)

I’ve never just shut the tournament down after the sweet sixteen but there’s absolute zero appeal to watch or care about 95% of these matchups

good one dukeboy, keep crying, Coach K is gone forever and you are done

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 08:25 PM

This has been one of thoe most KIND NCAA Hoops post seasons in a long time. I'm talking the Big Dance, CBI, and the NIT.

I don't care who plays, just give me the line and the market. We'll find a way.

**d2bets** · 03-24-23, 08:27 PM

Absolutely. Love it. Keep em barking.

**Nate rasta** · 03-24-23, 08:38 PM

It's a beautiful chaos

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Nate rasta

It's a beautiful chaos

Oh it's beautiful alright.

But, make no mistake, it is NOT chaos.

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by bjb7223

good one dukeboy, keep crying, Coach K is gone forever and you are done

What a weird response. I could care less if Duke makes it to the end.
You want to see Creighton/Fau/ sd state/ kstate in the title game because one of those 4 teams has a 50% chance at being the national champion?

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by KVB

This has been one of thoe most KIND NCAA Hoops post seasons in a long time. I'm talking the Big Dance, CBI, and the NIT.

I don't care who plays, just give me the line and the market. We'll find a way.

Yeah this statement wasn’t meant for you because you would watch 10 year olds shoot hoops if you had enough statistics on them and could see value in the market

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by goduke

Yeah this statement wasn’t meant for you because you would watch 10 year olds shoot hoops if you had enough statistics on them and could see value in the market

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by KVB

Oh it's beautiful alright.

But, make no mistake, it is NOT chaos.

Statistically it is chaos.

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by goduke

Statistically it is chaos.

Some of us spitting out Forecasts all over SBR the last week beg to differ.

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by KVB

Some of us spitting out Forecasts all over SBR the last week beg to differ.

There’s no stat that could be used to show Princeton was better than Arizona/Creighton maybe Missouri
Before last night teams with a kenpom defense 75 or higher had horrific record in the sweet sixteen and beyond. This applied to Miami and zags.
MWC has been absolutely horrific in ncaa tournament for a long time and that was with San Diego state teams that were much better than this team(kawaii Leonard years)
I could go on and on

**Mr KLC** · 03-24-23, 09:17 PM

The transfer portal has made thousands of players available to schools. All it takes is one offseason and any coach can practically build the team he's looking for. This is just the beginning.

**Nate rasta** · 03-24-23, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

The transfer portal has made thousands of players available to schools. All it takes is one offseason and any coach can practically build the team he's looking for. This is just the beginning.

Agreed. Created more parity

**unde0087** · 03-24-23, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

The transfer portal has made thousands of players available to schools. All it takes is one offseason and any coach can practically build the team he's looking for. This is just the beginning.

Ya, welcome to the new generation. If you are a coach you basically know 75% of your bench will be in the portal, especially if you have just recruited those kids. If they aren't getting minutes, whether they deserve them or not, the grass is greener on the other side of the street.

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by goduke

There’s no stat that could be used to show Princeton was better than Arizona/Creighton maybe Missouri
Before last night teams with a kenpom defense 75 or higher had horrific record in the sweet sixteen and beyond. This applied to Miami and zags.
MWC has been absolutely horrific in ncaa tournament for a long time and that was with San Diego state teams that were much better than this team(kawaii Leonard years)
I could go on and on

Not sure if I posted it and I usually don't go backwards with Forecasts, but you bring up a good example.

I had Arizona -5.5 vs Princeton on March 16th. Princeton winning was not all that crazy. Not at all.

Worrying about what some guy named Ken Doll or KenPom or KenRAS, or whatever is not the proper way to approach the markets.

I doubt you find anything predictive form KenPom and I'm sure others that work at this at SBR will agree.

It doesn't mean it's not useful, but predictive?

Only way to do that is to get your own house in order.

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

The transfer portal has made thousands of players available to schools. All it takes is one offseason and any coach can practically build the team he's looking for. This is just the beginning.

But will the markets ever catch up? Will the people ever really make decisions based on the underlying realities, or will they continue to to trust their highly manipulatable eyes and guts?

Will they trust KenPom?

That is the question.

I think people will always behave the same as times change but people don't. Mankind will always favor the Favorite and OVER, and because of that, there always be inefficiency.

**mjsuax13** · 03-24-23, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

The transfer portal has made thousands of players available to schools. All it takes is one offseason and any coach can practically build the team he's looking for. This is just the beginning.

This is true.

**turbobets** · 03-24-23, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by KVB

This has been one of thoe most KIND NCAA Hoops post seasons in a long time. I'm talking the Big Dance, CBI, and the NIT. I don't care who plays, just give me the line and the market. We'll find a way.

I stop playing NCAAB when the tournament starts, too much dumb money IMO. Are you saying I should dip my toe back in the water next year?

**d2bets** · 03-24-23, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by turbobets

I stop playing NCAAB when the tournament starts, too much dumb money IMO. Are you saying I should dip my toe back in the water next year?

Too much dumb money!? Never. That's what you want. Just don't be one of em.

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by turbobets

I stop playing NCAAB when the tournament starts, too much dumb money IMO. Are you saying I should dip my toe back in the water next year?

Yes. With the expansion of betting in the US, it's a wonderful field from which to graze.

**milwaukee mike** · 03-24-23, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by KVB

But will the markets ever catch up? Will the people ever really make decisions based on the underlying realities, or will they continue to to trust their highly manipulatable eyes and guts?

Will they trust KenPom?

That is the question.

I think people will always behave the same as times change but people don't. Mankind will always favor the Favorite and OVER, and because of that, there always be inefficiency.

san diego state games had gone under 10 straight times... yet this one opened at 135 and went up to 138, so let's call this 11 straight unders for sd st... and watch the next one get bet up too

**Darkside Magick** · 03-24-23, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by KVB

But will the markets ever catch up? Will the people ever really make decisions based on the underlying realities, or will they continue to to trust their highly manipulatable eyes and guts?

Will they trust KenPom?

That is the question.

I think people will always behave the same as times change but people don't. Mankind will always favor the Favorite and OVER, and because of that, there always be inefficiency.

"The problem is choice" - - - - NEO

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 10:10 PM

My comments is really outside of betting though.
I mean just strictly on the basis of what we are about to see
Kstate/Creighton/Florida Atlantic/San Diego state WILL be in the national championship
The years butler made it those were horrible national championship games. We already the worse college football championship game in history. Is this what we are going to see from here on? With a team that makes it that has absolutely zero chance of winning it all. Those 4 teams are literally placeholders for uconn or Gonzaga now.
It’s just a shitty time in college basketball

**bjb7223** · 03-24-23, 10:10 PM

The North Carolinas, Kentuckys, and Kansases of the world will soon realize they need to stop chasing ** Donald's all Americans. The future of college basketball is the transfer portal. Why get a Mcdonalds all American who will be gone after one year when you can get a top transfer from another school that will play 2-3 years?

**INVEGA MAN** · 03-24-23, 10:21 PM

they said the tourney was wide open and i love it!! Not one #1 seed left!! Las Vegas is making a killing with all these big favorite ML bets going down I ill be in Vegas tomorrow. If you bet every UNDER you would be making some BIG COIN!!

**milwaukee mike** · 03-24-23, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by goduke

My comments is really outside of betting though.
I mean just strictly on the basis of what we are about to see
Kstate/Creighton/Florida Atlantic/San Diego state WILL be in the national championship
The years butler made it those were horrible national championship games. We already the worse college football championship game in history. Is this what we are going to see from here on? With a team that makes it that has absolutely zero chance of winning it all. Those 4 teams are literally placeholders for uconn or Gonzaga now.
It’s just a shitty time in college basketball

i don't think those teams are hopeless, and texas/miami are also decent

i disagree with all these talking heads saying that same thing, that the winner of uconn/gonz is the champ... i would take the field at even money vs those 2, so to say the 4 on the left side of the bracket have "absolutely zero chance" is downright silly

**bjb7223** · 03-24-23, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by INVEGA MAN

they said the tourney was wide open and i love it!! Not one #1 seed left!! Las Vegas is making a killing with all these big favorite ML bets going down I ill be in Vegas tomorrow. If you bet every UNDER you would be making some BIG COIN!!

under was 32-16 through the first two rounds

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

i don't think those teams are hopeless, and texas/miami are also decent

i disagree with all these talking heads saying that same thing, that the winner of uconn/gonz is the champ... i would take the field at even money vs those 2, so to say the 4 on the left side of the bracket have "absolutely zero chance" is downright silly

It’s equivalent to saying tcu had a chance in the college football national championship. I’m comfortable with my statement.
I will give you Texas though but I kind of wrote them off because of their history of choking when it matters lol.
I’ll tell you this if I’m wrong and one of those 4 win the national title it’ll be the last time I watch college basketball because at that point nothing you watch regular season, conference tournies matter.

**milwaukee mike** · 03-24-23, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

i don't think those teams are hopeless, and texas/miami are also decent

i disagree with all these talking heads saying that same thing, that the winner of uconn/gonz is the champ... i would take the field at even money vs those 2, so to say the 4 on the left side of the bracket have "absolutely zero chance" is downright silly

and just to show how those teams aren't "horrible"... if creighton makes the final against gonzaga, it would be a pick em according to sagarin predictor

**goduke** · 03-24-23, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

and just to show how those teams aren't "horrible"... if creighton makes the final against gonzaga, it would be a pick em according to sagarin predictor

And it would still be a loss in my opinion lol

**milwaukee mike** · 03-24-23, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by goduke

It’s equivalent to saying tcu had a chance in the college football national championship. I’m comfortable with my statement.
I will give you Texas though but I kind of wrote them off because of their history of choking when it matters lol.
I’ll tell you this if I’m wrong and one of those 4 win the national title it’ll be the last time I watch college basketball because at that point nothing you watch regular season, conference tournies matter.

yeah agree with it being kind of worthless, at least nba can go best of 7 so you usually get the better teams winning

**milwaukee mike** · 03-24-23, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by goduke

It’s equivalent to saying tcu had a chance in the college football national championship. I’m comfortable with my statement.
I will give you Texas though but I kind of wrote them off because of their history of choking when it matters lol.
I’ll tell you this if I’m wrong and one of those 4 win the national title it’ll be the last time I watch college basketball because at that point nothing you watch regular season, conference tournies matter.

football is a different animal... college basketball can be decided on a 3-pt shooting contest, or getting breaks on rebounds/officiating... over the course of a college football game, it's tougher to luck your way into a win against someone more physically dominant imho

**KVB** · 03-24-23, 10:47 PM

The amount of widespread broad talent, and the availability or pool of talent to choose from that basketball brings just dwarfs football.

There can be legit ballers in all corners of the market and league, and their backup might even be better.

Ballers in schools and playgrounds all over to choose from. Football doesn't have close to the feeder pool of hoops.

**Otters27** · 03-24-23, 10:50 PM

Division 1 basketball is the new NFL

Parity