The media is killing Dave Roberts today.

[stevenash]

Actual quotes from actual respected baseball/sports writers.
Need links? Just ask me I'll provide them.

"What were they thinking? Massive brain cramp dooms Dodgers"

"The Dodgers lost their minds, then they lost the game"

There's like six similar leads like that.
Poor Dave is getting hammered.

[MinnesotaFats]

It's not poor Dave

He's very mediocre given the talent he's had

A man like Tom Kelly or Whitey Herzog would have won 4 WS in a row

[lakerboy]

It's not poor Dave

He's very mediocre given the talent he's had

A man like Tom Kelly or Whitey Herzog would have won 4 WS in a row

Exactly

[stevenash]

It's not poor Dave

He's very mediocre given the talent he's had

A man like Tom Kelly or Whitey Herzog would have won 4 WS in a row

Minny, your sarcasm radar has been off lately.
I should have put 'Poor' in quotes.

Been saying he's been a poor manager for years.

[yisman]

He has gotten nearly every big decision wrong in every single postseason.

Dodgers pay so much for players and have a total imbecile managing them.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

If Urias hadn't blown the lead (or if the Dodgers hadn't gone 2/18 with RISP in the two games) everyone would be calling him a genius; managers don't win or lose games, players do.

[franklee168]

It just makes the Giants loss to this numbnuts that much more painful for us die hards.

[vitterd]

Roberts is pretty bad. He almost always makes the wrong 50/50 calls. If he loses with this team…..he should be gone.

[pavyracer]

Not manager's fault. Did manager threw these pitches? Pitchers are responsible for their own pitches.

[stevenash]

If Urias hadn't blown the lead (or if the Dodgers hadn't gone 2/18 with RISP in the two games) everyone would be calling him a genius; managers don't win or lose games, players do.

Whose decision was it to put in Urias?

[DrunkHorseplayer]

See post #9.

[stevenash]

See post #9.

Urias left Urias in?

[franklee168]

Not manager's fault. Did manager threw these pitches? Pitchers are responsible for their own pitches.

Not always true in baseball. If the manager puts in a pitcher with a worn arm, who takes the blame? What if you put in a pinch hitter with a stiff neck? How effective will he be?

[jjgold]

He is terrible

Nice guy but not smart at all

[vitterd]

Managers lose games all the time….the bad ones

[pavyracer]

Not always true in baseball. If the manager puts in a pitcher with a worn arm, who takes the blame? What if you put in a pinch hitter with a stiff neck? How effective will he be?

If the pitchers who pitched last night had worn arms they should have been left out of the series roster. When your are called upon to pitch by your manager you should state if you are not 100% ready to pitch.

It didn't look like last night's pitchers had any injuries or ailments that prevented them from doing their job.

[KiDBaZkiT]

These managers just can’t wait to get to the bullpen. It’s ridiculous.

[franklee168]

I'm not a manager but if I know someone has pitched 3 times in the past week, I'd only put him in if everyone else was used. Not sure if you can leave any of their superstars off the roster this time of the year.

[trobin31]

Problem is, unless your coaches name isn’t something like Juwan or Tyrone, there’s a good chance he’s a child sex offender

30598349[/URL]]It's not poor Dave

He's very mediocre given the talent he's had

A man like Tom Kelly or Whitey Herzog would have won 4 WS in a row

[LLXC]

There's been a big movement towards using good bullpen arms early.

There's been a big movement towards using elite starting pitchers out of the bullpen in the playoffs.

These have worked more than they haven't.

But as short sighted sports bettors, we only remember the times that it doesn't (like how we only remember our bad beats, and not lucky beats).

[pavyracer]

I think the pitchers he put on to pitch last night were the best he had available.

If this was a soccer game you want Messi or Ronaldo to take the penalty kick. Not some guy who can't score a kick under pressure.

[franklee168]

If the pitchers who pitched last night had worn arms they should have been left out of the series roster. When your are called upon to pitch by your manager you should state if you are not 100% ready to pitch.

It didn't look like last night's pitchers had any injuries or ailments that prevented them from doing their job.

"Dodgers starter Max Scherzer couldn't make it through the fifth inning in a 5–4 loss to the Braves on Sunday, later explaining that his "arm was dead."

L.A. manager Dave Roberts ended up pulling Scherzer with one out in the fifth inning of Game 2 of the NLCS. It turns out that the three-time Cy Young Award winner essentially asked for a short leash after carrying a heavy load so far this postseason.

“My arm was dead," Scherzer said postgame. “I could tell when I was warming up that it was still tired. I've been in the situation before; you don't always go out there and pitch full-strength.

"Usually in those situations, once you get past pitch 45, sometimes it loosens up, and you're able to get deeper into a game. But after that third inning, it didn't loosen up. It was still more tightening up. So I could tell that my pitch count was going to be limited."


If Dave left Max off the NLCS roster, he would've been fired on the spot.

[Black Coffee]

Dodgers went all in to beat the Giants...

It has come back to haunt them in these first 2 games...

But it's not over. Braves have struggled to beat Dodgers in LA.

[pavyracer]

"Dodgers starter Max Scherzer couldn't make it through the fifth inning in a 5–4 loss to the Braves on Sunday, later explaining that his "arm was dead."

L.A. manager Dave Roberts ended up pulling Scherzer with one out in the fifth inning of Game 2 of the NLCS. It turns out that the three-time Cy Young Award winner essentially asked for a short leash after carrying a heavy load so far this postseason.

“My arm was dead," Scherzer said postgame. “I could tell when I was warming up that it was still tired. I've been in the situation before; you don't always go out there and pitch full-strength.

"Usually in those situations, once you get past pitch 45, sometimes it loosens up, and you're able to get deeper into a game. But after that third inning, it didn't loosen up. It was still more tightening up. So I could tell that my pitch count was going to be limited."


If Dave left Max off the NLCS roster, he would've been fired on the spot.

So if Dave didn't start Max last night and they lost the game the media would have said he left the best pitcher on the bench. Now he starts him and they say he screwed up because he had a worn arm.

Is the media ever right?

[stevenash]

There's been a big movement towards using good bullpen arms early.

There's been a big movement towards using elite starting pitchers out of the bullpen in the playoffs.

These have worked more than they haven't.

But as short sighted sports bettors, we only remember the times that it doesn't (like how we only remember our bad beats, and not lucky beats).

If the Cowboys don't win that game yesterday McCarthy gets strung up by his balls for that 51 yard FG attempt where the logical choice no matter what book you use, what metric you use, if you're old school or new was to go for it on 4th and one.

Point being if the Cowboys didn't pull that game out of their ass would the loss be on Zuerlein or McCarthy?

[franklee168]

So if Dave didn't start Max last night and they lost the game the media would have said he left the best pitcher on the bench. Now he starts him and they say he screwed up because he had a worn arm.

Is the media ever right?

Looks like Max admitted the dead arm after the game. Lose Lose situation for Dave. That's what happens when you have a team full of superstars. Plenty of teams have gone through this type of scenario but faired a little better than the "covid" world series champs manager.

[franklee168]

And why use Julio when you're whole bullpen could be closers on any other team?

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Urias left Urias in?

He did throw the pitches. Roberts decided to put in his best pitcher, which isn't an uncommon strategy.

[franklee168]

Everyone thinks they have a Bumgarner on their team. There's only one Popeye.

[stevenash]

He did throw the pitches. Roberts decided to put in his best pitcher, which isn't an uncommon strategy.

Wouldn't Blake Treinen or Kenley Jansen been a much better option?

[stevenash]

Everyone thinks they have a Bumgarner on their team. There's only one Popeye.

As a KC Royals fan I still have nightmares, 2014, Gordon on third, two outs, ninth inning, my man Sal at the plate praying to God for just a blooper...

... not to be as Perez fouled out, and there was no joy in KC town.

Bummy was automatic, just like Schilling and Unit in 2001.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Urias choked not Roberts

Urias has been money during the playoffs but he had an off night

Who gets the blame though? Not Urias but Roberts

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Roberts did fukk up by taking Scherzer out too early

[stevenash]

Roberts did fukk up by taking Scherzer out too early

Another head scratcher

[JIBBBY]

Dodgers had an adrenaline dump after beating SF. I think they pull it back together at home now.