nothing we can do? well i'm going to open a bookie myself. if i can take the money players and don't pay them and nothing happens thats a dam good business.
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Of course its not so easy to just walk away or open up in a regulated territory where there are rules and laws in place to protect players.
However if you open up in the far East in a place where bookmaking is illegal and are constantly on the run from local government raids yet players around the world are still willing to send you tens of thousands of dollars even though they don't know the first thing about you and only send funds because you hang some juicy numbers then yes you have a good shot at it.
Contact Blackpool Town and see if they can help???
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The problems I think I have with this Bill are:
1) Why are they more likely to pay $40k than $50k? If they aren't paying 5k/10k players or even $100-$1000 players I really can't see them paying me.
2) If someone takes over (and let's be honest, that's the only hope for any of us getting paid) I am 10k out of pocket - if they honour the old debts. If not I don't get paid anything anyway.
I don't think they would pay 15c on the dollar right now to be honest with you.
I am convinced now that they either have an automated system replying to all messages with one of ten stock responses, or one person who just uses several different names and excuses to fob you off.
Might as well just concentrate on ways to get the $50k back rather than sweating it. Good luck everyone!Comment -
I've already thought this about an authomatic mail response...
But this can't be so with their chat service...
I spoke by chat with Chintya yesterday and I have been more than 20 minutes with her...
Down i report part of this chat..
fantabaldu: ispoke with yoiìu last tuesday
fantabaldu: about this with jason
fantabaldu: Jason : Your withdraw, W10701000236 and W10701000274 amount $20,000 and $15,269 is in queue and should be sent to you as soon as possible Jason : We're sorry for the late payout and inconvenience caused
gaiti andrea: his is your answer
chintya: Please hold one moment, we will check it for you.
chintya: our cashier has done the best to process the withdraw as fast as we can chintya: but i can't give you the exact date
chintya: we still process your withdraw request sir ........................................ ...............
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fantabaldu: sorry but there are all people theat are speaking about you...
fantabaldu: you are a no pay book sorry...
fantabaldu: but you are stiil open...
chintya: for sure we will pay
chintya: that is't why we still open
fantabaldu: there are thousan people that are waiting for money...
fantabaldu: for sure ?
chintya: yes for sure
fantabaldu: yes but when sorry?
fantabaldu: yes but when sorry?
fantabaldu: people are afraid and tired about this situyation...
fantabaldu: you have to understand this
fantabaldu: don't you have a date for the mone y?
fantabaldu: Have you other news Chintya ?
chintya: i still can't predict when your withdraw will be settled ........................................ .
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Here i post the last mail that they sent me after that ispoke by chat with Chintya
Hi ......,
Thank you for your message.
We understand your worry, anger and frustation regarding this situation but please be assured that we will send your withdraw.
We have forwarded your message as well therefore your withdraw should be sent as soon as possible
In the meantime should you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us.
Best Regards,
Jason Huang
Customer Services Department
But till now after two monts absolutly no money it' arrived.......Comment -
cant we make this guys go to court?Comment -
I believe there are a lot of English residents who are in our situation. PointSports Ltd should be located at Huslemere, Surrey. If I were English and owed money from Pointbet (which I am, $7k) I would catch the first train and go directly there to try and get a better picture of the situation. Unfortunately though, being Maltese its rather difficult due to the distance, knowing that the chances of talking to someone there about this matter are nearly zero.
What do you say?
btw, have gone live chat with them. As soon as I mentioned the word slowpay they hung up.Comment -
Any chance somebody like the asian owner of Mansion steps in with a bailout?
They have always wanted to attract the big soccer whales to their exchange, i would imagine Pointbet has quite a few of these types of punter. It might be an opportunity for them to get the volume moving on their exchange.Comment -
can t we just put this guys in court? thanksComment -
The Surrey address is likely a mail drop, I doubt you find anything except a confused receptionist if you turn up.
As for taking them to court (in the UK at least), Gambling debts aren't enforceable, and I doubt that the company has any assets to seize in the UK. Directors are not personally culpable for the company if it's a PLC.Comment -
It isnt a PLC. Directors may be responsible (but he lives in Indonesia). Gambling debts arent enforcable but if your balance is greater than your deposited sum you can recover your deposited sum. If your balance is less than your deposited sum you can recover the entire amount. This wouldnt be a gambling debt.Comment -
In support of above . Imagine you had deposited at Pointbet but never placed a bet, you would be entitled to the return of your belance. It is not a gambling debt.Comment -
Of course all this doesnt mean that you would eb successful in recovering anythingComment -
Its a Ltd company. Anyone who wants to do some digging can do the same as me and start at the companies house website with POINTSPORTS Ltd (the parent company).
I am not sure that the old "gambling debts aren't enforceable by law" holds anymore after the passing of the new gambling legislation over the last 2 years. However I am not sure and am not a lawyer.
I have been given the details of a commerical law barrister who has some experience in these situations and was considering contacting him on monday.
It should also be borne in mind that POINTSPORTS ltd have filed a motion to be STRUCK from the companies house register. This was filed on 15/12/2006 and takes 3 months to come into force. However 2 conditions to strike the company from the register are 1) that it has no debts and 2) that it is not still trading. Obviously it is in breach of both of these terms.
I may contact companies house myself although I think a professional might be required. I would welcome any feedback anyone has.
Of course I realise that if they have NO money (which they probably don't) then I can't get anything back and may be throwing good money after bad.
BTW they have changed their address 3 times since being incorporated in UK (2005) and I echo the sentiments above of those who say there will be nothing save admin (if that) at those addresses.
Of course there is also a chance that pointbet has transferred from being owned by pointsports LTD, if they have they have not updated the details on their website.
I have also started googling pointbet and contacting every site that has a pointbet.com review site on their site, and telling them about my scenario, and asking them to pull their reviews or even put up an up to date review of the situation. I would recommend anyone else affected start doing the same thing and they will start to get the message and save anyone else from getting scammed.
The only hope now in my opinion is a bailout from someone else. There is a small chance of this as pointbet has such a large customer base which could be tapped into. Having said that who knows how much in debt they are, from my calculations they are over $100k in debt to people on this thread so it must run into the millions. Then again mansion spent $5m on promos at the beginning of the NFL season so why not spend the same on this project that will bring them new custom?
What is mansion's asian site?Comment -
Mansion88.com
The New Gambling legislation doesn't come in force until later this year.Comment -
But you can't use your existing mansion account here?
Juice looks reasonable on their in running soccer asians.Comment -
Good post Wack. I think the amount of debt owed is so high that it will be tough to get whatever ownership still exists to put any money behind the book. If they aren't doing it now, no reason to think they will do it in a couple months.Comment -
Now being told "1-2 weeks for your money" - strangely coincides with the 3 months it takes for Companies House to wind up the company legally. They must be stopped and I will be on the phone to Companies House tomorrow in the morning. Not that not winding up the company will do any of us any good :-(Comment -
no they did notComment -
Good...Pointbet must pay for playerComment
Did they pay you? if they did, how much?
