SBR Hold'em All-Rounder Championship Series

[funnyb25]

how does sbr make any money off poker anyways, giving away daily 12 points and giving away poker points that turn into betpoints, how does sbr make money in general giving it all away in contest and stuff


not that i care

Are store orders being processed?

[pavyracer]

how does sbr make any money off poker anyways, giving away daily 12 points and giving away poker points that turn into betpoints, how does sbr make money in general giving it all away in contest and stuff


not that i care

banner views? more people here more views more clicks on banners

[Enkhbat]

Not a bad idea.
But during NFL games?

Oh I forgot about that, during football season beat the prick contest gets everyone's attention. So maybe start it after the Super Bowl? or you can do it on Saturday as Jake suggested. During the football season you can have the BTP poker tourney with bounties on certain players. My main point is that a big weekly tourney on the weekend is more likely to attract new and irregular players than a 2-3 month long contest which has a daily scoring system. Also the prize for the winner or top 3 being in BTC would really get people playing.

[Optional]

What time of day on a Saturday during college football season?

[JAKEPEAVY21]

What time of day on a Saturday during college football season?

When the first set of games kick off?

[cincinnatikid513]

exciting

[RudyRuetigger]

i like it incorporated into the sports contest though


then people HAVE to play





1 tourney saturday


1 tourney sunday


you can only play 1 of them


that way if someone has something scheduled, you can do the other tourney and majority of ghosts will be down to 2 accounts only

[RudyRuetigger]

im at computer all day


missed first tourney though



i think im now mathematically eliminated from qualifying

[RudyRuetigger]

how does sbr make any money off poker anyways, giving away daily 12 points and giving away poker points that turn into betpoints, how does sbr make money in general giving it all away in contest and stuff


not that i care

sbr doesnt make money on poker, trivia or points


the goal is to get people to play then sign up at sponsored books



i have no clue how the same 30 people playing every tourney helps sbr

[cincinnatikid513]

sbr doesnt make money on poker, trivia or points


the goal is to get people to play then sign up at sponsored books



i have no clue how the same 30 people playing every tourney helps sbr

2 outed by eddy day 1

ouch

[cincinnatikid513]

sbr doesnt make money on poker, trivia or points


the goal is to get people to play then sign up at sponsored books



i have no clue how the same 30 people playing every tourney helps sbr

doesn't seem like a good business model, i'd shut it all down

[RudyRuetigger]

doesn't seem like a good business model, i'd shut it all down

i like sbrpoker alot


ill still check sbr without sbrpoker though


i kinda agree with you but hate admitting it

[bonzaii]

doesn't seem like a good business model, i'd shut it all down

I'm sure there are others like me who found this site and stuck around because of the free poker they offer to pros. I haven't gambled in over 8 months via real money sportsbetting by prior to that I proceeded to lose thousands and thousands of dollars sportsbetting over the years on here that I might not have done if it was not for SBR.

The whole key is to give away prizes to members via points and than for members to check out the rest of SBR and gamble their points away and to than gamble at one of the sponsored books. I'm not sure if SBR only receives a piece of the action if you sign up at one of their banners but if they do for just talking about and hosting these books than there probably make a good amount of money from all the losses members have on here.

[bonzaii]

More people will not be interested if it's deepstack. The initial interest may be there, but it will quickly fizzle out when people realize the time it takes. Rec players are more likely to try something if they have a better chance at winning. Shallower stacks, turbo structure, shorter play time/fewer hands makes it more likely they win than in a deeper format. More players would be willing to try if it was more luck based.

Rec players also would prefer 1 a day restriction versus unlimited. Look at the old WPT/WSOP events where pros could play one entry. You had lots of recreationals competing and winning because they were allowed 1 buy in. In today's online and live formats you get pros rebuying/re-entering infinite bullets. You get Final Tables that are all professional players.

Obviously we are talking about SBR freerolls here, but the point remains. If you want to appeal to more players, luck based, shorter stacks, one entry a day, is almost certainly more appealing.

I think even many of the good players would prefer a faster structure (in regards to SBR freerolls) just because it's less time they have to dedicate to playing.

Recs and people who are not fully interested in poker definitely prefer a quicker format. A quicker format allows more players the opportunity to win, but I get it SBR wants retention of their games because they believe the longer you play the longer you are going to stick around and thus hopefully lose money in the sportsbook or casino games either in the SBR Casino or in one of the online books.

[Krashman]

sbr doesnt make money on poker...

the goal is to get people to play then sign up at sponsored books

They used to sell ad space on the SBR poker client, BODOG ad used to be in the client. Had to be in expanded mode to see it.

Not sure if it is there anymore.

[stevek173]

I do think the as many tournaments as you want is a little ridiculous for working people, and the format is too many chips.

That being said I'm a nit so the format favors me.

Appreciate everything SBR.

[Optional]

doesn't seem like a good business model, i'd shut it all down

It's in the advertising budget Cinci.

And just about all that budget is spent going directly to our Pro Members.

Not to Google or other normal ad types.

You really should love the business model as a site user.


But poker is not pulling it's weight and we do need to change that ASAP.

[thechaoz]

Just noticed unemployed people have an advantage in this tourney. Meh but ok.

I'm guessing the standings are based off points earned, since I didn't see a "10 points for 1st place, 8 points for 2nd place finish etc"

[thechaoz]

It's in the advertising budget Cinci.

And just about all that budget is spent going directly to our Pro Members.

Not to Google or other normal ad types.

You really should love the business model as a site user.


But poker is not pulling it's weight and we do need to change that ASAP.

Other than getting poker sponors on board (there are plenty of "legal" (it's not really ever been illegal)) sites in the US that could advertise where they are "allowed" to let people play. NJ, PA, NV, DE, etc.

I've said you should do rake back/rake races for years.

Even if you give players 27% back, you still will have a TON more people playing at the tables and driving action. I think rake races would generate even more. Give freeplays or something that doesn't cost the site a lot to promote play at the cash tables.

Just my two cents.

[thechaoz]

They used to sell ad space on the SBR poker client, BODOG ad used to be in the client. Had to be in expanded mode to see it.

Not sure if it is there anymore.

There's quite a few states with "legal" poker. I hate that word because poker has never been illegal, it's the wire act and transfer of funds. Hence why many offshores use crypto.

Regardless, they could promote "legal" poker sites and do promotions or just drive traffic to their site for more revenue. There's quite a few states that allow it in the US now.

[pimpbeckham]

Consider It Done!

[JoeCool20]

Is the SBR poker software REALLY the old yahoo poker software like several people have said?

I mean, A LOT of players who play often say: "SBR Poker, get it all in with the worst and you will win the hand!"

The wild ass luck donks on all in hands happen SO OFTEN on here,

I just wonder if SBR poker isn't "true" poker software like what is on the real money poker sites?

[blankoblanco]

Is the SBR poker software REALLY the old yahoo poker software like several people have said?

I mean, A LOT of players who play often say: "SBR Poker, get it all in with the worst and you will win the hand!"

The wild ass luck donks on all in hands happen SO OFTEN on here,

I just wonder if SBR poker isn't "true" poker software like what is on the real money poker sites?

Every poker software that has ever existed has had a huge swath of people claiming it's clearly rigged and not random. Is your conclusion from that fact that every last one of them is rigged? It's a zero-sum game, and they get their rake either way. The benefits of keeping bad players afloat for a little bit longer are pretty marginal

Perhaps a shitload of people are simply wrong, because humans have incredibly selective memory that biases us and we're terrible at knowing what randomness even looks like because the brain is designed to look for patterns

[Enkhbat]

I didn't even know yahoo had a poker software. Joe is definitely irrational to think it is rigged against him. If you keep going all in with the worst hand all the time you will eventually go broke in a real money site, even if you suck out sometimes.

[JoeCool20]

LOL Why would somebody just make up out of thin air that I said it was "rigged" when I never said that?
Where in the hell does it say in my post that I said it was "Rigged" or "rigged against me?" It doesn't!!

Not only did I NEVER say it was "rigged against me" but I don't even play SBR Poker anymore since I'm not a pro!

Read my post, I was talking about others & what they have said about how often huge luck donks hit on SBR poker.

I know good and well that stupid luck is part of poker!
You don't just automatically win the hand because you are a big favorite!
And I also know that to win or place in the money in most any 25 to 50 person "quick tourney" (real money or SBR) that you have to luck-donk and win from behind SEVERAL times on all ins!
But many on here have talked about how it luck donks from behind way too often on all ins on this SBR software.

How many times have you heard people talk about the SBR poker being the old yahoo poker software?

And how many times have you heard people say "SBR Poker, Get it in with the worst, and you will win!" ??


I'm not being rude, but instead of just browsing a post and then quickly making a reply accusing somebody of something they NEVER said in their post, try to actually read and comprehend the post, and then make a germane reply!


I will expound a little. I personally think a lot of people don't play SBR Poker on here because of how often the worst hand donks from behind on all ins, and they just don't feel like wasting their time on here waiting for it to happen.


So I was just wondering if people were serious about the SBR poker software being the old joke yahoo poker software (like many have said) and not "real" poker software. If it is true then that could be a reason for those people to be correct about saying wild luck donks happen way too often on SBR Poker.

[Enkhbat]

Come on Joe, we all know that you think SBR Poker is rigged against you, even if you didn't say it.

[pavyracer]

Joe Cold thinks SBR is somehow rigging the software so different players can win each night except him.

[blankoblanco]

LOL Why would somebody just make up out of thin air that I said it was "rigged" when I never said that?
Where in the hell does it say in my post that I said it was "Rigged" or "rigged against me?" It doesn't!!

The wild ass luck donks on all in hands happen SO OFTEN on here,

I just wonder if SBR poker isn't "true" poker software like what is on the real money poker sites?

Bro. What do you think rigged means?

Okay, pretend I said "untrue" or whatever meaningless term you want to substitute it with. Arguing semantics is utterly pointless, everyone instantly knows exactly what you mean when you say this crap

You're expressing skepticism that it's appropriately random. True or false? And I'm saying everyone does that about every poker software ever because everyone's biased and nobody knows what random even looks like. Simple enough for you?

[JoeCool20]

Come on Joe, we all know that you think SBR Poker is rigged against you, even if you didn't say it.

LOL Thank you for saying that I didn't say it! Also It would be better for your assumptive post if I actually played!
I'm not being rude, but since I haven't played but a few times in almost a year, it makes your post look kinda dumb. I can't "think" something is "rigged against me" if I play it twice in a year bro!

Joe Cold thinks SBR is somehow rigging the software so different players can win each night except him.

LOL When I actually play the SBR tourneys I often get into the finals AND I often win cash, so no it would be a very dumb statement to say I think it is "rigged"!! And I certainly never said that! Re-read my post!

Bro. What do you think rigged means?

Okay, pretend I said "untrue" or whatever meaningless term you want to substitute it with. Arguing semantics is utterly pointless, everyone instantly knows exactly what you mean when you say this crap

You're expressing skepticism that it's appropriately random. True or false? And I'm saying everyone does that about every poker software ever because everyone's biased and nobody knows what random even looks like. Simple enough for you?

I will just forego your rudeness and ornery-ness and attempts at trying to turn it into an argument and just say that YES, in all the poker that I USED to play on SBR, I would say that the very low percentage hands get lucky and come from behind and win more often on SBR Poker than any other poker site I have ever played on over 25 years.

BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING "RIGGED" OR "RIGGED AGAINST ME" PERSONALLY! NOR DID I EVER SAY THAT! I think on SBR Poker it donks in wins for low percentage hands on all ins OVER AND OVER TO ALL PLAYERS WAY TO OFTEN! INCLUDING ME!
Yes It gives ME wild luck suck outs too! That is why you see people on here often say "get it in with the worst on SBR Poker and you will win!"

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Apologies for the length of this post! I could have made another post or just edited this one.... So here goes EDIT:

LOL OKAY OKAY I finally get it now! I know yall are just messing with me! LOL Nobody could be stupid enough to keep saying I thought it was "rigged" or "rigged against me" when I just told you that I don't even play anymore!
Unless they were just joking around! So hahaha very funny!
Hell I think I have played SBR Poker only once or twice in the last SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS! I wouldn't know if it was "rigged" or not! And I sure as hell didn't say it was! I simply asked a harmless question about the old yahoo poker software rumor. And besides that, I KNOW that y'all know that I think the wild donks on SBR pizza poker are ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS to me! So therefore I know you are just joking with that "rigged" crap! Well ha ha Very funny!

So now that you have messed with me ad nauseam about the dumbass "rigged" crap THAT I NEVER SAID, do you have an answer to the actual question?
Do you think SBR Poker software is "legit" like other real money poker sites are? Or do you think too many low percentage hands come back and win on SBR Poker?



I personally think a lot of people don't play SBR Poker on here because of how often the worst hand donks from behind on all ins. And then, even if you manage to not get donked out in the tourney, you then have to go try to roll your prize points over 3 times (or is it 5 times? I forgot!) in ring games while not getting donked, or you don't get anything out of all the hours you invested! After people waste 4 or 5 hours total of their time trying to get some points from ONE tourney, and then they end up with nothing because of a 1, 2, or 3 outer hitting so much more often than it should, then they think it is not worth the time invested, and they lose interest and quit playing. That is my opinion.


So I was just wondering if people were serious about the SBR poker software being the old joke yahoo poker software (like many have said) and not "real" poker software. If it is true then that could be a reason for those people to be correct about saying that low percentage suck outs happen way too often on SBR Poker.

[eddycash]

Playing SBR poker without being pro is like being a paraplegic and swimming in the ocean.

[franklee168]

Joe....stop messing around and get your ass back in the game. SBR poker needs you. Bring a friend too while you're at it.

[pavyracer]

So it is not "rigged" but ALWAYS if you go all in with a better hand you get donked by the river?

Joe this is even stupider. How would you know what the other player has when you go ALL in? You think a guy that goes all in with 77 is calling the other guy who has JJ because he knows he will get later a 7 on the river?

[stevek173]

Does Joe babble like that in person?

It's like, wtf?

[thechaoz]

Joe, while it's not rigged, and I've mentioned this dozens of times.

To have true randomness, you have to used something like server entropy, which is what Stars and a lot of sites use (or something just as effective or close)

SBR isn't paying 6 figures for such technology. When I say yahoo messenger poker random number generator, I'm not remotely joking.

It's the most basic type of one. It's awful. It's not meant for real money poker. This isn't "real money" poker, though points have value.

Just need to accept that fact. It won't change

[blankoblanco]

Joe, while it's not rigged, and I've mentioned this dozens of times.

To have true randomness, you have to used something like server entropy, which is what Stars and a lot of sites use (or something just as effective or close)

SBR isn't paying 6 figures for such technology. When I say yahoo messenger poker random number generator, I'm not remotely joking.

It's the most basic type of one. It's awful. It's not meant for real money poker. This isn't "real money" poker, though points have value.

Just need to accept that fact. It won't change

I sort of get where you're coming from, but it comes down to this: either there are identifiable patterns in the RNG or there aren't. If you can identify ANY even sort of kind of pattern in the RNG, then, uh, go for it. Do it. Get a huge edge, and win a ton. I can confidently say nobody's done that with SBR's software. Even a luckbox like BigO. Because I sure as hell know I can't do it and I do pretty well against you idiots when I actually play

If you can't identify patterns or predict what's coming, then it's effectively random for the purposes it's intended for