Whatever maintenance BetAnySports is doing, it better be good

[DontTailMe]

1) UFC props
2) PGA Golf Championship odds
3) best site to read/understand on the graded bets
4) futures/props on all sports (MLB/NHL/NBA/Soccer/etc)
5) Reduced juice is gold
6) All exotics (politics/cricket/etc)
7) Open Parlays / Teasers

Impressed

Is this sarcasm? Most of this stuff is still missing.

[DontTailMe]

I'll take a basic offshore with bad lines any day....I think that's what they are going to be. They are trying to rebuild 5 Dimes from scratch, without any of the skills 5D had. Problem is, BAS is not reliable at this point, nor do they look like they have what it takes to survive long-term as a bookmaker.

My theory: they were operating using 5D for software and manpower. But they didn't employ the same risk control that 5D does. I.e., they offered slow-moving, reduced juice lines and didn't limit winners aggressively (many of whom suddenly showed up after 5D shut to US). So they weren't making much with that model and decided to split off and hack together their own frankenstein software.

This prob. won't end well, but I am rooting for them to figure it out.

I hear what you're saying. There may still be opportunity at whatever book BAS ends up being. But I already have a slew of basic offshore books. 5Dimes/BAS brought something different to the table, so it will be a huge loss if it turns out the way it appears that it will (total break away from 5Dimes lines).

[Microphone]

It’s a process I know they’re working because I keep seeing changes


We need more information on ownership somebody should come on here from that company and explain

How about our watchdog we pay an annual membership fee to, SBR, come on here and explain the situation? You want to rely on a book that is struggling to restructure it's web site, that was going to only take 12 hours, to give you an honest press release? Wow JJ, I'm seasick. In one post you're defending these guys and in another you're ripping them.

[KVB]

For USA punters
LAS VEGAS has really closed the gap on offshore last 9 months.....hell, it may be better now.

Las Vegas not fukking around, they have not abandoned us.

[jjgold]

relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

It will be business as usual soon

[fighttoys]

They used to offer a wide selection of boxing lines but only have one up for today. 5Dimes, who they used to mirror, has eight lines posted for todays action alone but can't use in the U.S. Might have to withdraw and switch to Betonline. They seem to offer a good selection of boxing but some of the lines aren't as good as BAS/5Dimes used to be, Ex: BAS/5D Zepeda -2825 vs Lundy +1465, Betonline Zepeda -3300 vs Lundy +1200. You have to lay more betting the favorite and get less betting the underdog. One of the biggest fights in boxing goes tonight, free on ESPN, and no undercard bouts offered at BAS. Hope it gets better, if not have to withdraw.

[pimike]

relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

It will be business as usual soon

They are not wanting to offer old 5dimes stuff.

They got killed.

They are now just a regular book.

They are in it for the long haul to make money.

[pimike]

Las Vegas not fukking around, they have not abandoned us.

Vegas had really upped their game. Love it

[HoneyTake_thePIC]

They are not wanting to offer old 5dimes stuff.

They got killed.

They are now just a regular book.

They are in it for the long haul to make money.

This. Being able to bet a team TOTAL for 1q 2q 1h total game, even 1st 6 minutes LIVE at every timeout is how I made my money on this site. CFB as well. A team goes up 7-10 on Alabama or Ohio state their 1H total and spread drops dramatically.


I was ready to make another $10k with playoffs, hopefully.

Now I can only make 1 live bet at a time for the WHOLE GAME.

[jjgold]

nothing wrong with a book wanting to make money

That is what they are there for

If you do not like the new site play elsewhere so simple

[HoneyTake_thePIC]

nothing wrong with a book wanting to make money

That is what they are there for

If you do not like the new site play elsewhere so simple

Bro what does your Dad work for FanDuel or something? The books, the house, Vegas, Tony, are all exploiting you, your weaknesses, and your money through whatever ways they can. All books DO make money and try and Frick you in the ass.

Finding a book that you have options or mathematical advantages for bets WHILE giving them your money is what it is all about from a consumer perspective.

'So Simple' -- No its not.

[fighttoys]

They used to offer a wide selection of boxing lines but only have one up for today. 5Dimes, who they used to mirror, has eight lines posted for todays action alone but can't use in the U.S. Might have to withdraw and switch to Betonline. They seem to offer a good selection of boxing but some of the lines aren't as good as BAS/5Dimes used to be, Ex: BAS/5D Zepeda -2825 vs Lundy +1465, Betonline Zepeda -3300 vs Lundy +1200. You have to lay more betting the favorite and get less betting the underdog. One of the biggest fights in boxing goes tonight, free on ESPN, and no undercard bouts offered at BAS. Hope it gets better, if not have to withdraw.

Perhaps they are working on it. More lines were put up not long after my original post.

[jjgold]

Every business in world wants to make money period not give it away

[miaplus3]

Grading of live wagers....super slow

[loser711]

Sure they have.....in Soccer you have a ML, a 3+ total, and an overpriced AH offer. Scared SHEETLESS of futbol.

Vegas had really upped their game. Love it

[hank_kingsley]

Anyone had their NBA make playoffs/don't make playoffs bets graded? Some of these were decided 3-4 days ago and they haven't even bothered to grade yet.

I understand the need for some extra time with the changeover but they're just needlessly tying up money right when the playoffs are starting.

Getting really tired of this incompetent bullshit.

[lonegambler23]

Anyone had their NBA make playoffs/don't make playoffs bets graded? Some of these were decided 3-4 days ago and they haven't even bothered to grade yet.

I understand the need for some extra time with the changeover but they're just needlessly tying up money right when the playoffs are starting.

Getting really tired of this incompetent bullshit.

call them

[JuanAntonio]

I’d been with 5dimes since summer of 2003. I loved that sportsbook and was taken aback when they left the US market. I was fortunate to have found them very early in my gambling journey. I bet a lot of parlays and mainly MMA and boxing. 5dimes is THE book for Americans in that regard (especially with props and 15-team open parlays).
I registered at BAS shortly after the 5d announcement of dropping US players. It was like I never skipped a beat. Same layout, wagering options, etc.

I was happy up until last week. This new interface takes away the simplicity and ease of navigation BAS and 5D had. Many of the UFC props aren’t even available anymore (Fight Goes the Distance, Fight Starts Round 2, etc.) Upcoming boxing matches are mixed into the UFC events and not separated. There were numerous boxing matches scheduled for this weekend and only one (Taylor/Ramirez) was available for betting until an hour ago. No props are available for the fight.

Im pretty disappointed in how things are shaping up and decided it’s best to take my business elsewhere. I withdrew 10k today and will withdraw again this week. I’ll leave $500 or so in my BAS account with the hopes they get their act together in the coming weeks. I’ll gladly continue with them if and when they figure it out.

[DontTailMe]

They are not wanting to offer old 5dimes stuff.

They got killed.

They are now just a regular book.

They are in it for the long haul to make money.

I don't know that I buy this. 5Dimes made tons of money with the exact same lines. There's always someone who's willing to bet the other side, even if you see plays that you like.

It seems more like a BetDSI situation, where their relationship with 5Dimes has ended for some reason, just like DSI split from CRIS/Bookmaker. We don't know why.

[Spencerho]

wow

[KS1986]

They are not wanting to offer old 5dimes stuff.

They got killed.

They are now just a regular book.

They are in it for the long haul to make money.

I used 5dimes for 2 decades and I'm pretty sure they made a ton of money using the exact same line feeds. Maybe BAS got killed over a small sample size but I doubt that's why they changed. It's not like after 20+ years in business all of the sudden the 5dimes business model was no longer profitable.

[hank_kingsley]

call them

If I had a dollar for every minute I was on the phone with them the last 2 weeks trying to get them to fix all their fuckups I wouldn't even need them to grade my bets.

I've liked BAS for several reasons...mainly ability to parlay stuff that other books don't allow...but if I have to spend all my time monitoring my transactions, taking screenshots, calling them to fix mistakes, calling them to grade bets that are days old...it's not worth the tradeoff.

[pimike]

I used 5dimes for 2 decades and I'm pretty sure they made a ton of money using the exact same line feeds. Maybe BAS got killed over a small sample size but I doubt that's why they changed. It's not like after 20+ years in business all of the sudden the 5dimes business model was no longer profitable.

It requires the right line managers.

Many can copy dimes website options but somebody has to review players.

I think they have overgrown and just don’t have the right people in place running it.

[DontTailMe]

I used 5dimes for 2 decades and I'm pretty sure they made a ton of money using the exact same line feeds. Maybe BAS got killed over a small sample size but I doubt that's why they changed. It's not like after 20+ years in business all of the sudden the 5dimes business model was no longer profitable.

Exactly. We have no idea what's going on here.

[jjgold]

Always remember nobody ever knows anything when it comes to this business

[texhooper]

Always remember nobody ever knows anything when it comes to this business

Yeah that’s where SBR is supposed to come into play you dickhead. That’s why I even started this thread

[redclaw32]

Came looking for answers. This was a huge disappointment. They are obviously a completely different book —looks like 5Dimes told them it was time to separate.

And I received a 3 hour payout before the update, so I don’t count a fast payout as part of that.

The site is bad. The lines don’t update how they should — while all of the wagering activity is creating movement, my lines are static all day. The fight card tonight was listed totally out of order, just like the last one. Odds for certain fights would drop in and out of availability. Cancelled fights were left there to bet on, new fights left off till late. They left one line open quite a few minutes after the fight had ended.

Whereas a line gets pulled part way into fighter introductions, now it gets pulled immediately after the conclusion of the fight before it.

To go on of course the wagers just sit there ungraded. So while I’m used to going about in order, everything is mixed up and I’m staring at these completed matches I am unable to take the winnings (or initial wager) to the next match. It’s almost as if they are encouraging people to leave, like they have given up and want customers to do so as well.

Photos for some fighters and none for others — why bother? For the fighter Jared Vanderaa they had a photo of another fighter, Eddie Winland. Doh.

Awesome event props and fighter props turned into these ridiculous way slimmed down “props” with zero event props. I once laughed at a friend when he sent me a photo of the props a casino offered him on fights — now I’m that guy. For example you could bet a fighter winning inside the distance on 5dimes, be it KO or submission. Now you can pick either or and no in between. Easier to lose.

Can’t buy as many points on NBA as I’d like, can’t choose which round to base the o/u in a fight...

I’m in NY. Looks like I have to go looking elsewhere but damn, RIP a great website!!

[Barrakuda]

I used 5dimes for 2 decades and I'm pretty sure they made a ton of money using the exact same line feeds. Maybe BAS got killed over a small sample size but I doubt that's why they changed. It's not like after 20+ years in business all of the sudden the 5dimes business model was no longer profitable.

5D's main model was to limit winners to ~nothing. That's why they could have tight margins, wacky offerings and be lazy about line movement. As far as I can tell, BAS has been a lot slower to limit players -- even players who had been severely limited by Tony. Look at the number of people in this thread heavily invested in see BAS return to 5D's offerings. Willing to hazard a guess that many of them have higher limits than they had at 5D. That's great for the player (short-term), but not great for the book.

[Barrakuda]

We still do not know who even owns them

Honestly, this should be something very easy for SBR to determine. It's not like they don't have connections after 20 years....

[Barrakuda]

Very simple solution
Go back to old format

You can tell they are not allowed to. Everything being offered has a slightly different name, which is not an accident. Reduced juice is now "less juice", lol.

[Barrakuda]

Bottom line: decent limits + not much collaring + lines that are often quite stale = great for the short term; death sentence long term. I would adjust exposure accordingly.

[70'sMan]

At the very least I would like to see the Ultra option (now ultimate lines) reopen the pre-match wagering.

When 5d closed this was presented as a simple rebranding under different ownership. Now it is clear that it is something much more. That is what has most people upset.

The choice of what to offer is always the discretion of the sportsbook. I am concerned with the lack of consistency in offerings. In euro baskets one day leagues are offered the next day they are not. Also on the Ultimate line live they cut back on weekends to 25% or so of the offerings that they have during the week. Decide what you want to carry and I will adjust.

I am willing to hang back for a few more days and see what the final product looks like. However I think I am averaging about 10% of what I was wagering there pre-change. So without some improvement it is going to be necessary to make a bankroll adjustment.

[jjgold]

Limits still good for bigger players I see

[KS1986]

5D's main model was to limit winners to ~nothing. That's why they could have tight margins, wacky offerings and be lazy about line movement. As far as I can tell, BAS has been a lot slower to limit players -- even players who had been severely limited by Tony. Look at the number of people in this thread heavily invested in see BAS return to 5D's offerings. Willing to hazard a guess that many of them have higher limits than they had at 5D. That's great for the player (short-term), but not great for the book.

When BAS took over for dimes they also received all the player info/history. I know several people that had the same limits or actually lower then they had at dimes and when I signed up at BAS I had recently moved from DE to NYC and used my new address to sign up. When I made my first WD they contacted me about the address discrepancy. Sent them all relevant docs and everything was fine, but they clearly had my old info from dimes.

[lonegambler23]

Limits still good for bigger players I see

good for tennis and major sports, euroball 500, that needs to be upped. still waiting on challenger tennis and doubles