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  • Buckandadime
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 04-21-15
    • 8847

    #1
    Zion's second game
    Expectations are high here..
    His presence is the difference between NO being a fav and a dog vs Denver..
    Line sitting at -4 right now..
    Total has actually dropped to 229 but why?
    Do we jump on the train now because of his stellar debut? (not counting turnovers) or is there a let down vs a better Denver team?
    Looking at NO M/L and that over is screaming at me..
    Any thoughts?
  • rm18
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-05
    • 22291

    #2
    Zion is not changing the line much, Denver's whole team is hurt.
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    • SBR Drew
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      • 01-08-18
      • 7351

      #3
      Maybe add a contest...
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      • shadymcgrady
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-27-12
        • 10036

        #4
        Norl -4 or nothing
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          He does not play a lot of minutes so not much impact on the game
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          • Buckandadime
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 04-21-15
            • 8847

            #6
            Originally posted by jjgold
            He does not play a lot of minutes so not much impact on the game
            Ummm..
            18 minutes
            8/11 from the field
            4/4 3 pt.
            7 boards
            22 points...

            Think that qualifies as an impact..
            Question is; does he get better tonight?
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            • rm18
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 09-20-05
              • 22291

              #7
              It was luck he made every 3 though, 5 turnovers he did not play that well.
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              • KVB
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 05-29-14
                • 74817

                #8
                Here's a 3 minute 4th quarter close game stint from his opening game...

                Originally posted by KVB
                Here's that 4th quarter run for Zion, from ESPN play by play, it wasn't exactly garbage time based on the score.

                I suppose Ball is going to pile up some assists with Zion on the floor, he picked up 5 in this stretch alone. It was basically 3 minutes of dominance with fresh legs, with 3 pointers; the first and last entries below just bookend the action.

                After walking on water, Zion even had a a miracle 7 foot layup attempt, which was blocked...

                9:24 Zion Williamson defensive rebound 97 - 89
                8:52 Zion Williamson makes 27-foot three point jumper (Lonzo Ball assists) 99 - 94
                8:27 Zion Williamson makes alley oop layup (Lonzo Ball assists) 101 - 96
                7:53 Zion Williamson makes 26-foot three point jumper (Lonzo Ball assists) 104 - 99
                7:34 Zion Williamson defensive rebound 104 - 99
                7:26 Jakob Poeltl blocks Zion Williamson 's 7-foot layup 104 - 99
                7:22 Zion Williamson offensive rebound 104 - 99
                7:22 Zion Williamson makes two point shot 104 - 101
                7:00 Zion Williamson makes 26-foot three point jumper (Lonzo Ball assists) 106 - 104
                6:18 Zion Williamson makes 26-foot three point jumper (Lonzo Ball assists) 106 - 107
                5:44 Zion Williamson misses free throw 1 of 2 109 - 107
                5:44 Zion Williamson makes free throw 2 of 2 109 - 108
                5:23 Brandon Ingram enters the game for Zion Williamson 111 - 108
                As the Milwaukee Bucks coaching staff has showed us, you don't need a lot of minutes to make an impact.

                This is one reason we use efficiency type derviatives, on a per minute basis, even large junks like 50 or 100. Using rolling numbers through those ranges will make a forecast even tighter as it understanding where a player or team is and where they have been will help predict where they will be in the future. Just remember, when comparing any two factors, it's best to compare them to the league avg, whether mean or median.

                But that's a whole nutha topic.

                Oh yeah, almost forgot, the Guava IX is back in stock, same crop as before...

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                • KVB
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 05-29-14
                  • 74817

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rm18
                  It was luck he made every 3 though, 5 turnovers he did not play that well.
                  Was going to be my next post...adjusting for the type of play can make a difference, but it can also just be noise in the bigger picture...treating it as noise seems to be ok there.

                  The guy is on fire from 3, doubt that stays and doubt that remains a part of the game plan.

                  He's a threat though, hope he stays healthy.

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                  • KVB
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 05-29-14
                    • 74817

                    #10
                    Lonzo Ball stands to really benefit from Zion in the lineup, it appears.

                    He'll be the next John Stockton!!!!!!

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                    • Buckandadime
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 04-21-15
                      • 8847

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rm18
                      It was luck he made every 3 though, 5 turnovers he did not play that well.
                      Turnovers are to be expected and you have to believe that will get better but to say he didn't play that well?
                      Honestly?
                      Think he played better than expected considering his limited time on the court..
                      I'm not a huge fan but you have to give credit where credit is due..
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                      • Chi_archie
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-22-08
                        • 63172

                        #12
                        I think Drew is setting over/unders

                        points 99.5
                        Rebounds 30.5
                        Assists 20.5
                        steals 1.5
                        Blocks 10.5
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                        • Chi_archie
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-22-08
                          • 63172

                          #13
                          I think an interesting prop would be how many games the regular season does he also have 4 or more 3 pointers made

                          I bet its pretty low
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                          • Buckandadime
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-21-15
                            • 8847

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chi_archie
                            I think Drew is setting over/unders

                            points 99.5
                            Rebounds 30.5
                            Assists 20.5
                            steals 1.5
                            Blocks 10.5
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                            • KVB
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 05-29-14
                              • 74817

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Chi_archie
                              I think Drew is setting over/unders

                              points 99.5
                              Rebounds 30.5
                              Assists 20.5
                              steals 1.5
                              Blocks 10.5
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                              • Buckandadime
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 04-21-15
                                • 8847

                                #16
                                O/U for tonight's game
                                Pts: 15.5
                                Rbs: 6.5
                                3 pt: 1.5

                                Seems kinda low..
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                                • harthebar
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-09-11
                                  • 15714

                                  #17
                                  Buck. His first game. Fan duel had his over under. At 10 point 's. Even money
                                  For real
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                                  • KVB
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 05-29-14
                                    • 74817

                                    #18
                                    Picked up Lonzo Ball ASSISTS OVER 7.5 at +105 and +120 as well.

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                                    • Buckandadime
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 04-21-15
                                      • 8847

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                      Buck. His first game. Fan duel had his over under. At 10 point 's. Even money
                                      For real
                                      That's crazy!!!!
                                      Chalk it up to another one I missed..
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                                      • Buckandadime
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 04-21-15
                                        • 8847

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by KVB
                                        Picked up Lonzo Ball ASSISTS OVER 7.5 at +105 and +120 as well.

                                        That's a good wager..
                                        Gonna be his priority to feed the guy the ball and I expect at least 24 minutes from Zion tonight..
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388179

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Buckandadime
                                          Ummm..
                                          18 minutes
                                          8/11 from the field
                                          4/4 3 pt.
                                          7 boards
                                          22 points...

                                          Think that qualifies as an impact..
                                          Question is; does he get better tonight?
                                          zero impact..when he did not play are terrible so you cannot bet them

                                          Not enough minutes to impact game
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                                          • Buckandadime
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 04-21-15
                                            • 8847

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                            zero impact..when he did not play are terrible so you cannot bet them

                                            Not enough minutes to impact game
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388179

                                              #23
                                              Like I said zero impact again they would’ve won if he played normal minutes that’s why you got to fade them

                                              Can’t impact the game when your best players not played much
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                                              • cincinnatikid513
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 11-23-17
                                                • 45360

                                                #24
                                                7-9 fgs is nice he's no james harden on fg pct that's for sure
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                                                • KVB
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 05-29-14
                                                  • 74817

                                                  #25
                                                  Ball with 6 assists...Fukkin bitch.

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                                                  • DiggityDaggityDo
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 11-30-08
                                                    • 81450

                                                    #26
                                                    knocked that bitch the fuk out
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                                                    • daneault23
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-08-09
                                                      • 3871

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by KVB
                                                      Here's a 3 minute 4th quarter close game stint from his opening game...

                                                      As the Milwaukee Bucks coaching staff has showed us, you don't need a lot of minutes to make an impact.

                                                      This is one reason we use efficiency type derviatives, on a per minute basis, even large junks like 50 or 100. Using rolling numbers through those ranges will make a forecast even tighter as it understanding where a player or team is and where they have been will help predict where they will be in the future. Just remember, when comparing any two factors, it's best to compare them to the league avg, whether mean or median.

                                                      But that's a whole nutha topic.

                                                      Oh yeah, almost forgot, the Guava IX is back in stock, same crop as before...

                                                      29% THC god damn!! Nvm, saw you got it in Sac. Live in Bay Area myself. Carry on lol.
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                                                      • JIBBBY
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 12-10-09
                                                        • 83686

                                                        #28
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                                                        • vivaporto
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 09-02-19
                                                          • 187

                                                          #29
                                                          if you count the scoring of the game from only the minutes when he was on court, new orleans up by 16. his rating was +16 for the 2nd game
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                                                          • Buckandadime
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 04-21-15
                                                            • 8847

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by vivaporto
                                                            if you count the scoring of the game from only the minutes when he was on court, new orleans up by 16. his rating was +16 for the 2nd game
                                                            Yeah, that was highest for the game by 6...
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #31
                                                              They lose period so he has had no impact either game and only reason lack of minutes

                                                              Never bet them until he plays 32+
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                                                              • WildCelticsFan
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 05-19-14
                                                                • 5420

                                                                #32
                                                                He had an impact, you're retarded if you say no impact
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                                                                • Buckandadime
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 04-21-15
                                                                  • 8847

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                  They lose period so he has had no impact either game and only reason lack of minutes

                                                                  Never bet them until he plays 32+
                                                                  32+???
                                                                  Seriously?
                                                                  32+.... Ok JJ..
                                                                  Well, he.probably won't impact but 1/15-20 games then..
                                                                  If they won would be have had some sort of impact on the flow and play of the game?
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