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  • Bluehorseshoe
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    • 07-13-06
    • 14983

    #316
    Originally posted by rangerz2478
    I am absolutely floored by this. Doesn’t this set a ridiculous precedent and won’t they now have to pay the next +75000 supposed to be -600?
    How is a team losing with a minute left -600???
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    • LT Profits
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      • 10-27-06
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      #317
      Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
      How is a team losing with a minute left -600???
      Why not? Denver had the ball needing FG to win.
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      • ikid2groove415
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        • 01-08-18
        • 11981

        #318
        Because this was plan by FD-
        Tremendous free PR
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        • LT Profits
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          • 10-27-06
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          #319
          Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

          How is a team losing with a minute left -600???
          Originally posted by LT Profits

          Why not? Denver had the ball needing FG to win.
          To put it another way, McMannus was -600 to make a field goal with Denver in Oakland territory.
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          • theflyingbuffalo
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            • 03-03-18
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            #320
            FanDuel must be pretty confident they won't have similar glitches in the future. How many people are going to be watching NFL this weekend with the app or website open hoping to score it big like these guys did? Maybe the PR from this does pay for itself, still sets a terrible precedent.
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            • ikid2groove415
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              • 01-08-18
              • 11981

              #321
              Originally posted by theflyingbuffalo
              FanDuel must be pretty confident they won't have similar glitches in the future. How many people are going to be watching NFL this weekend with the app or website open hoping to score it big like these guys did? Maybe the PR from this does pay for itself, still sets a terrible precedent.
              PR alone worth millions - they can double down it won’t happen again? Very suspicious
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              • Bluehorseshoe
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                • 07-13-06
                • 14983

                #322
                Originally posted by LT Profits
                Why not? Denver had the ball needing FG to win.
                The bet was made when Denver was at their own 45 with a minute left.

                Prince was handed his 750-1 ticket with about a minute left in the game, as the Broncos trailed by 2 points on their final drive. Denver kicked a field goal with 6 seconds left to win 20-19, capping a second half comeback that started with the Broncos down 12-0.
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                • LT Profits
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                  • 10-27-06
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                  #323
                  Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                  The bet was made when Denver was at their own 45 with a minute left.
                  So? It was DENVER.

                  Own 45 is like 15 yards from FG range.
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                  • rangerz2478
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                    • 08-06-12
                    • 1194

                    #324
                    Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                    How is a team losing with a minute left -600???
                    Because they were in range for a 36 yd fg to end it, basically an extra point.
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                    • rangerz2478
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                      • 08-06-12
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                      #325
                      Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                      The bet was made when Denver was at their own 45 with a minute left.
                      No it wasn’t.
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                      • Wohlford
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                        • 11-12-11
                        • 292

                        #326
                        Originally posted by ikid2groove415
                        PR alone worth millions - they can double down it won’t happen again? Very suspicious
                        Yeah, I'm sure FanDuel was thrilled with all the stories about their rip-off 40-50 cent MLB baseball lines when they started operating in Jersey. But hey, it got their names in some headlines!

                        Things just got better when they were part of a story about hanging a bad line and initially refusing to pay. Fans love stories about books cancelling or retroactively re-pricing winning tickets.

                        If FanDuel has a good publicist, they can probably get a few stories in about how their House edge in Fantasy Sports is more than double the 4.5% house edge on normal -110/-110 bets. I'm sure they'd love the publicity from some stories emphasizing that the effectively charge both sides -125 on their Fantasy products (in which they bear no risk).
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                        • ikid2groove415
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                          • 01-08-18
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                          #327
                          Originally posted by Wohlford
                          Yeah, I'm sure FanDuel was thrilled with all the stories about their rip-off 40-50 cent MLB baseball lines when they started operating in Jersey. But hey, it got their names in some headlines!

                          Things just got better when they were part of a story about hanging a bad line and initially refusing to pay. Fans love stories about books cancelling or retroactively re-pricing winning tickets.

                          If FanDuel has a good publicist, they can probably get a few stories in about how their House edge in Fantasy Sports is more than double the 4.5% house edge on normal -110/-110 bets. I'm sure they'd love the publicity from some stories emphasizing that the effectively charge both sides -125 on their Fantasy products (in which they bear no risk).
                          ??? Most people I know said there lines are just like other books -110
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                          • DrunkHorseplayer
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                            • 05-15-10
                            • 7719

                            #328
                            Good thing that he got paid; the best incentive for books to avoid mistakes is to require them to pay up if they do make one. FD should get some small benefit from this in the form of customers going to the book hoping this will happen again and most surely losing their money.
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                            • Bluehorseshoe
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                              • 07-13-06
                              • 14983

                              #329
                              Originally posted by rangerz2478
                              No it wasn’t.
                              I quoted the article.
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                              • rangerz2478
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                                • 08-06-12
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                                #330
                                Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                                I quoted the article.
                                What article? Every one out there said bets were placed when ball was on Oak 18. Thats not true?
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                                • Bluehorseshoe
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                                  • 07-13-06
                                  • 14983

                                  #331
                                  Originally posted by rangerz2478
                                  What article? Every one out there said bets were placed when ball was on Oak 18. Thats not true?
                                  Nope. It was put in while the drive was going on. Denver had the ball at their own 45 with 58 seconds left when the bet was placed.
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                                  • rangerz2478
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                                    • 08-06-12
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                                    #332
                                    Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                                    Nope. It was put in while the drive was going on. Denver had the ball at their own 45 with 58 seconds left when the bet was placed.
                                    Show your proof. Because the official statements did not say that. If it was where you are saying, Denver still would've been a small favorite.
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                                    • floridagolfer
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                                      • 12-19-08
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                                      #333
                                      Originally posted by theflyingbuffalo
                                      FanDuel must be pretty confident they won't have similar glitches in the future. How many people are going to be watching NFL this weekend with the app or website open hoping to score it big like these guys did? Maybe the PR from this does pay for itself, still sets a terrible precedent.
                                      What's the terrible precedent being set here?

                                      A sports book posted a wager. A bettor took it.

                                      When a sports book takes a bet and then claims it's not valid hours later, that's about the worse thing it can do.
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                                      • shocka1212
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                                        • 10-06-12
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                                        #334
                                        10 pages......
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                                        • billyloco
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                                          • 04-07-06
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                                          #335
                                          Fan Duel paid me $4000 ck last year.

                                          I LUV FD!!

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                                          • Bluehorseshoe
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                                            • 07-13-06
                                            • 14983

                                            #336
                                            Originally posted by rangerz2478
                                            Show your proof. Because the official statements did not say that. If it was where you are saying, Denver still would've been a small favorite.
                                            Why would I lie about it?? LOL

                                            6 paragraphs down.

                                            The online sports betting company originally rejected paying out the bet that was made at the Meadowlands Racetrack.
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                                            • theflyingbuffalo
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                                              • 03-03-18
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                                              #337
                                              Originally posted by floridagolfer
                                              What's the terrible precedent being set here?

                                              A sports book posted a wager. A bettor took it.

                                              When a sports book takes a bet and then claims it's not valid hours later, that's about the worse thing it can do.
                                              As others have said, the best thing that could have come out of this is some sort of concrete ruling either from FanDuel or NJ about when a book is allowed to rule that a bet was priced incorrectly and therefore void. FanDuel did not originally agree to pay the wager, if the original guy didn't complain and took the $500 and tickets offered to him, do we even get to this point? They only caved after pressure from the American public that is largely uninformed about betting painted this as a case of a dishonest company trying to cover its losses after making a mistake, when in reality this bet was only available for an 18-second window and those bettors knew exactly what they were doing.
                                              However, instead of getting a concrete ruling, FanDuel decided it was in their best interest to honor the bet. The terrible precedent is that now bettors can and should expect to get paid on absurdly incorrect odds, not just at FanDuel but at any NJ book. I personally don't want legalized betting to turn into a situation where winners are largely banned but shot-takers are allowed to wait around on the app all day for +75000 to pop up again.
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                                              • thechaoz
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                                                • 10-23-09
                                                • 12155

                                                #338
                                                Fan Duel to pay man 82k for bad line

                                                I was shocked by this. No book I know would ever honor such a bad line, "after talking with state regulators".

                                                I'm all for the players and slightly jealous of this guy, but if someone ever hits a huge line into the millions what's the difference? Now you've set a precident for that to happen and get paid.



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                                                • Louisvillekid1
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 10-17-07
                                                  • 52143

                                                  #339
                                                  Late to the party

                                                  but ya

                                                  its peanuts for them

                                                  might as well
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                                                  • ans61201
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                                                    • 10-11-15
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                                                    #340
                                                    Originally posted by thechaoz
                                                    I was shocked by this. No book I know would ever honor such a bad line, "after talking with state regulators".

                                                    I'm all for the players and slightly jealous of this guy, but if someone ever hits a huge line into the millions what's the difference? Now you've set a precident for that to happen and get paid.



                                                    https://www.njherald.com/article/201...P/309209778#//


                                                    All about Timing. They just opened up and are getting killed Pr wise only reason they did it. But you're right sets a terrible precedent
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                                                    • USCPHILLYGUY
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                                                      • 12-15-12
                                                      • 21744

                                                      #341
                                                      Hyman all over this story. Also has an “inside” in Congress as well. I’d expect N.J. books to be shut down by weeks end
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                                                      • thechaoz
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                                                        • 10-23-09
                                                        • 12155

                                                        #342
                                                        Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                                        Late to the party

                                                        but ya

                                                        its peanuts for them

                                                        might as well
                                                        Ya but next bad line that dings them for millions everyone will point to this story.
                                                        Originally posted by ans61201



                                                        All about Timing. They just opened up and are getting killed Pr wise only reason they did it. But you're right sets a terrible precedent
                                                        This makes me just want to look for bad lines "generated by their system". I think live lines are the obvious target.
                                                        Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                                                        Hyman all over this story. Also has an “inside” in Congress as well. I’d expect N.J. books to be shut down by weeks end
                                                        Ok, I'm sure there is a thread. I'll check in on it.
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                                                        • LT Profits
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                                                          • 10-27-06
                                                          • 90963

                                                          #343
                                                          Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                                                          Why would I lie about it?? LOL

                                                          6 paragraphs down.

                                                          https://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...to_nj_man.html
                                                          Maybe I am blind, but where does it say they were on their own 45?
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                                                          • ans61201
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                                                            • 10-11-15
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                                                            #344
                                                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                            Maybe I am blind, but where does it say they were on their own 45?
                                                            It doesn't. But with that time on the clock that's where they we're. This part has been confirmed since original story was incorrectly stated that he laid bet at. Beginning of drive. He laid it at their own 45 with just under a minute left
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                                                            • allabout the $$$
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                                                              • 04-17-10
                                                              • 9837

                                                              #345
                                                              I was just there and a guy was trying to bet live and the game kept getting suspended while the guy at the counter was putting it in. If they are going to accept live bets just do it on the app
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                                                              • Bluehorseshoe
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                                                                • 07-13-06
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                                                                #346
                                                                Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                Maybe I am blind, but where does it say they were on their own 45?
                                                                Can you see ESPN? lol



                                                                (0:58 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short left to C.Sutton [B.Irvin].
                                                                2nd & 10 at DEN 45

                                                                (0:54 - 4th) (Shotgun) C.Keenum scrambles right end to OAK 48 for 7 yards (T.Whitehead).
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                                                                • fried cheese
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                                                                  • 09-17-13
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                                                                  #347
                                                                  Originally posted by thechaoz
                                                                  I was shocked by this. No book I know would ever honor such a bad line, "after talking with state regulators".

                                                                  I'm all for the players and slightly jealous of this guy, but if someone ever hits a huge line into the millions what's the difference? Now you've set a precident for that to happen and get paid.



                                                                  https://www.njherald.com/article/201...P/309209778#//
                                                                  there is no difference if its in the millions. they just have to eat it. pokerstars ate 10's of millions from payment processor thefts and goverment seizures and paid a billion dollar fine. im sure they can limit their risk by limiting all bets to certain maximum payout amounts though. stock trading bots can malfunction and lose millions and they dont get a refund why should gambling sites? if you have a program offering odds on your behalf then its your fault if they dont offer the right odds.
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                                                                  • TheGuesser
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                                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                                    • 2714

                                                                    #348
                                                                    It sets a great precedent, the same one Nevada has. Book a bet, pay a bet. All tickets are final as written. Hopefully every US jurisdiction where Sports betting is legalized will follow the same rules. I will gladly play at Fanduel as soon as they are available in my state, because I know my money is safe and they will honor their lines. As a new Sports Betting entity in the US, They went a long way toward establishing trust with bettors by coming around to the right decision, and it will pay off for them down the line.
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                                                                    • LT Profits
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                                                                      • 10-27-06
                                                                      • 90963

                                                                      #349
                                                                      Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe
                                                                      Can you see ESPN? lol



                                                                      (0:58 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short left to C.Sutton [B.Irvin].
                                                                      2nd & 10 at DEN 45

                                                                      (0:54 - 4th) (Shotgun) C.Keenum scrambles right end to OAK 48 for 7 yards (T.Whitehead).
                                                                      That assumes bet was made literally with one minute left, article says "about" and other sources said bet was placed with Denver close to field goal range.
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                                                                      • Bluehorseshoe
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                                                                        • 07-13-06
                                                                        • 14983

                                                                        #350
                                                                        Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                        That assumes bet was made literally with one minute left, article says "about" and other sources said bet was placed with Denver close to field goal range.

                                                                        Whatever.
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