Belgium vs England- both teams need to lose

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  • lakerboy
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-02-09
    • 94379

    #1
    Belgium vs England- both teams need to lose
    The thing is the winner plays Brazil in the quarter finals.

    The second place team in the group faces the easiest competition like Sweden or swiss.

    It will be an intriguing situation.
  • Booya711
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 12-20-11
    • 27329

    #2
    Where are you these days LB??
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    • lakerboy
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-02-09
      • 94379

      #3
      Originally posted by Booya711
      Where are you these days LB??
      Home brother. I was in Texas by San Antonio on Monday. Canada day long weekend. Party time.

      You?
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      • Booya711
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 12-20-11
        • 27329

        #4
        Originally posted by lakerboy
        Home brother. I was in Texas by San Antonio on Monday. Canada day long weekend. Party time.

        You?
        Natick, MA....maybe Red Sox game tomorrow but supposed to rain all day
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        • MrSink
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 12-30-08
          • 8087

          #5
          haha it could be hilarious
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          • Foxx
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 05-25-11
            • 5832

            #6
            0-0 draw? Take the over on penalties?
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            • lakerboy
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 04-02-09
              • 94379

              #7
              Originally posted by Foxx
              0-0 draw? Take the over on penalties?
              Groups no penalty.
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              • semibluff
                SBR MVP
                • 04-12-16
                • 1515

                #8
                I agree with 2nd place in Group G being an advantage. I posted the same thing a few days ago. This game is difficult to predict because neither team has anything to gain from a positive result but both managers will be looking to 'build momentum' and enhance their own managerial record. However, I expect both managers to start every back-up they can and possibly change goalkeepers at half-time so everyone gets to play in a World Cup game. To complicate things further back-ups don't like losing to another team's back-ups. For what it's worth I think England have better depth than Belgium so there's an argument for saying England should be favourites for the game, at least on Asian Handicap. Back-ups and inexperienced defensive partnerships 'tend' to make more mistakes than the regulars so I would lean more towards the Over than the Under. Probably a game to pass on though.
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                • pavyracer
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 04-12-07
                  • 82840

                  #9
                  No need to lose. If the game is tied then whoever accumulated less yellow cards wins the group. Someone can get a yellow card in injury time and decide the group winner.
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                  • newton0038
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-07-07
                    • 2389

                    #10
                    total cards over 3.5 +120
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                    • dlowilly
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-09-16
                      • 13862

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      No need to lose. If the game is tied then whoever accumulated less yellow cards wins the group. Someone can get a yellow card in injury time and decide the group winner.
                      I was thinking this too

                      Not only do they both want to lose, the goal differential is the same so it may become a foul fest at the end while they try to lose via the fair play ranking
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                      • Mase of Base
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-24-12
                        • 3622

                        #12
                        Originally posted by newton0038
                        total cards over 3.5 +120
                        That's the only reason England is ahead at the moment (less cards) so if you agree with LB's theory there won't be many cards either.
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                        • 2daBank
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-26-09
                          • 88966

                          #13
                          If either team really fancy’s themselves contenders to win it all they shouldn’t care who they draw as eventually they will have to play the best!!
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                          • dlowilly
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 11-09-16
                            • 13862

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 2daBank
                            If either team really fancy’s themselves contenders to win it all they shouldn’t care who they draw as eventually they will have to play the best!!
                            Yeah but it's better to take the easiest route possible and hope someone happens to knock off a stronger team. The best teams don't win every match
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dlowilly
                              Yeah but it's better to take the easiest route possible and hope someone happens to knock off a stronger team. The best teams don't win every match
                              True they don’t, but they often go down to inferior opponents!! The little I know bout soccer is it much like baseball where 1 game result can be incredibly random. I’d be far more concerned w playing my best than who in front of me.

                              Not saying there isn't anything to what Ya’ll saying I just can’t bring myself to approach it this way, staying far away. It kinda like college hoops where guys I respect are big into situations and letdowns but I’m just not wired that way so I don’t put much into such things. My feeling on this is if these guys both go into this game looking to avoid Brazil whomever ends up facing them is already beat! Bankers mentality, I want to play and beat the alleged best!!
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                              • Mase of Base
                                SBR MVP
                                • 07-24-12
                                • 3622

                                #16
                                They'll know who they get in the Rd of 16 also, I'm sure neither wants Colombia of that group if they make it not that they wouldn't back themselves to beat them.
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                                • ChiLLx
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 12-24-11
                                  • 5412

                                  #17
                                  Have England to win group +143 do they win if it's 0-0?
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                                  • Mase of Base
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-24-12
                                    • 3622

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ChiLLx
                                    Have England to win group +143 do they win if it's 0-0?
                                    Will come down to cards, they lead by 1 (less) so as long as they don't give up one more (drawing of lots i.e a coin toss) or more yellows (Belgium win) then yeah they win the group. Hope that makes sense.
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                                    • cincinnatikid513
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 11-23-17
                                      • 45360

                                      #19
                                      we might see an own goal or 2 own goals if need be
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                                      • 2daBank
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 01-26-09
                                        • 88966

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                        we might see an own goal or 2 own goals if need be
                                        Lol. Mexico and my motherland Poland only 2 I’ve seen do that this far. In fairness to the Polaks we prob didn’t know any better! Saw couple guys running wrong way at times!! Lmao
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                                        • krk1030
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 08-13-08
                                          • 17610

                                          #21
                                          Great matchup, too bad we get robbed of a great game cause they dont want to win
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                                          • robbypark
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 03-13-18
                                            • 794

                                            #22
                                            Not only do both teams not want to win, but both teams have immense pressure to make it as far as possible. If either team makes it to the SF, it will be considered a big success. So they will both for sure be trying to lose. I like the under for sure.
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                                            • Mase of Base
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-24-12
                                              • 3622

                                              #23
                                              Long way off obviously but the loser of this game would get Sweden or Switzerland in the quarters should they make it that far. If Colombia don't top the group you'd back the loser of this game (or Belgium if it's a draw and the yellow card situation doesn't change) to cruise into the semis.

                                              Looking further ahead it's Spain (under performing), Russia (meh), Croatia (okay but not amazing) or Denmark (meh), the bottom half of the draw is certainly the place to be.
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                                              • Alfa1234
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-19-15
                                                • 2722

                                                #24
                                                Belgium manager Martinez is likely to replace 9 or even 10 players for this game (Lukaku, Hazard, De Bruyne, Mertens, Vertongen and Meunier have already been as good as confirmed). Courtois will play though. The substitues are simply not up to par and have never played a game together. I am fading Belgium right now because the England odds will be shorting even more by game time.

                                                Also yellow cards +3.5 is a good idea as the substitutes could be instructed to get some yellows by the end of the game in case of a draw. Main reason is also the 2nd place in the group means you can stay in Moscow and won't have to travel far for the rest of the tournament.

                                                Don't get me wrong, once on the pitch both teams will WANT to win (every player wants to win a world cup game, definitely if it's likely to be the only game you'll play in) but the quality will make a big difference here. If England also replaces the entire squad, it could go both ways but I think the England bench is better.
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                                                • Big Odds
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 08-21-14
                                                  • 103

                                                  #25
                                                  England - Belgium:
                                                  Over 3.5 cards @2.2 100€
                                                  Own goal @13 60€
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                                                  • maritsa1819
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 06-14-18
                                                    • 853

                                                    #26
                                                    0-0
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                                                    • Mase of Base
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 07-24-12
                                                      • 3622

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Alfa1234
                                                      Belgium manager Martinez is likely to replace 9 or even 10 players for this game (Lukaku, Hazard, De Bruyne, Mertens, Vertongen and Meunier have already been as good as confirmed). Courtois will play though. The substitues are simply not up to par and have never played a game together. I am fading Belgium right now because the England odds will be shorting even more by game time.

                                                      Also yellow cards +3.5 is a good idea as the substitutes could be instructed to get some yellows by the end of the game in case of a draw. Main reason is also the 2nd place in the group means you can stay in Moscow and won't have to travel far for the rest of the tournament.

                                                      Don't get me wrong, once on the pitch both teams will WANT to win (every player wants to win a world cup game, definitely if it's likely to be the only game you'll play in) but the quality will make a big difference here. If England also replaces the entire squad, it could go both ways but I think the England bench is better.
                                                      Completely agree with the last bit, I'm thinking ENG draw no bet at this stage. As you mentioned it's no secret Martinez is resting, well, everyone! Southgate and Kane have been talking tough in the media but if he starts I'll be surprised. So that leaves the left overs which the England young guys have the edge as you say.

                                                      Not sure on your cards bet there won't be any heavy challenges here just tug of shirt yellows, hard to see four+ of them. Four yellows is still a decent amount in a meaningful game of matching sides with no animosity to each other.
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                                                      • newton0038
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-07-07
                                                        • 2389

                                                        #28
                                                        Pulled the trigger on England/Belgium draw +200 with Panama -1 card +205 Parlayed = +515
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #29
                                                          Nobody loses on purposes

                                                          Bet accordingly
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                                                          • lakerboy
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 04-02-09
                                                            • 94379

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                                            Nobody loses on purposes

                                                            Bet accordingly
                                                            The wise old man
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                                                            • WildCelticsFan
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 05-19-14
                                                              • 5420

                                                              #31
                                                              A wise man once said...

                                                              Dont bet unders in Belgium games
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                                                              • thetrinity
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-25-11
                                                                • 22431

                                                                #32
                                                                just got even more interesting because the winner of the group will get to play japan in the first game, who is definitely the worst team left
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                                                                • pavyracer
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 04-12-07
                                                                  • 82840

                                                                  #33
                                                                  They will go for the win now. Brazil has a tough game with Mexico. Belgium or England play Japan.
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                                                                  • MMANick
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-06-16
                                                                    • 4075

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I keep hearing England is going for it.
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                                                                    • THam12
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 03-12-13
                                                                      • 12640

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Over 2 is at -125....
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