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  • newguy
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-27-09
    • 6100

    #1
    Anyone routinely take +1.5 in MLB?
    Curious to hear from anyone who takes the +1.5 run line in baseball. I take the -1.5 often when I'm on a heavy fav but was wondering how many take the other side often? To me, I don't see the value. Take this Houston/a's game today. Why take the A's -110 +1.5 instead of +200 or so? Give up a ton of value for 1 run no?

    I like to learn from others when I don't see value so anyone take it? And if so - why??
  • ticklemepink1991
    SBR MVP
    • 02-06-17
    • 1073

    #2
    i just stick to games -130 or lower for baseball, and normally i won't play a dog above +160 only because the chance of them winning is very low at that point

    got to just pick and choose your spots...thats what i do for baseball and it seems to be okay so far
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    • newguy
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-27-09
      • 6100

      #3
      Originally posted by ticklemepink1991
      i just stick to games -130 or lower for baseball, and normally i won't play a dog above +160 only because the chance of them winning is very low at that point

      got to just pick and choose your spots...thats what i do for baseball and it seems to be okay so far
      I'll do same. If I really like a big fav I'm gonna take them on runline anyway. Almost never lay more than about -125 on a baseball game.

      That said there has to be value on the +1.5 or books wouldn't offer the -1.5 so just trying to get educated better on the + run line
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      • ticklemepink1991
        SBR MVP
        • 02-06-17
        • 1073

        #4
        Originally posted by newguy
        I'll do same. If I really like a big fav I'm gonna take them on runline anyway. Almost never lay more than about -125 on a baseball game.

        That said there has to be value on the +1.5 or books wouldn't offer the -1.5 so just trying to get educated better on the + run line
        wish i could help. never bet a +1.5 in my life, everytime i considered it, the team i wanted to bet on would lose by at least 2 and not even score a run

        good luck newguy
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        • ManOfValue
          SBR MVP
          • 02-29-08
          • 1437

          #5
          +1.5 not worth it. You're right. You're better off laying -1.5 especially with road favs.
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          • Itsamazing777
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-14-12
            • 12602

            #6
            It's for suckers
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            • Rich Boy
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-01-09
              • 9714

              #7
              Im a fan of Road Dog +1 and +1.5 lines

              The home team has to cover in 8 innings or their odds are slim to none in extra innings
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                A lot of games end up on one run
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                • CappinTerp
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 11-26-09
                  • 9650

                  #9
                  I rarely use the -/+ 1.5 run line,I bet mostly dogs and would rather get the +185/ +200 ML. Think about this: In baseball,if you have a so-so year,you will loose 80 games.If you have a good year you will loose 70 games. And if you have a great year you will loose 60 games( 102-60). So the way I see it....there is not much difference between most of the teams in baseball! (more reason to bet ML dogs? )Now for all sports,I still bet mostly dogs,but will not bet a dog,unless I feel it has a reasonable expect ion of winning the game out-right and 90% of the time will take the points......don't know if that helped,but good luck!
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                  • xraygord
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-18-09
                    • 2599

                    #10
                    ML only with baseball. Or totals.
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                    • SAX27
                      SBR MVP
                      • 07-03-15
                      • 1324

                      #11
                      Might play +1.5 RL's in a parlay if I think they have a chance to win, juice on most plays is not playable. On the other side I will play numerous -1.5 RL's regularly.

                      My local does not offer the -1 line and often times I will play ML & -1.5 RL to get close to the -1.
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                      • FUqer
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-22-15
                        • 3968

                        #12
                        I don't think I ever have or ever will, I would go RRL before +1.5, especially in games with high totals.

                        72 dogs won last year in games with a total of 10 or more, 79% of those dogs who won, did so by 2 or more, 61% by 3 or more.

                        77% for dogs who won in games with totals of 9 or more last season won by 2 or more.

                        Some teams, like the Athletics when they win as dogs in high total games win by 2 or more well over 80% or more the last couple of season, and win by 3 or more 65% of the time they win as dogs. The Reds also win by 3 or more as dogs 62% of the time the last couple of season. It all depends on the team and situation.

                        I always think about playing a dog SU for half a unit and RRL for half a unit in those games but never have as of yet.
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                        • SAX27
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-03-15
                          • 1324

                          #13
                          FUquer all over it as usual!! Love his facts!!
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                          • mdunlap3
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-18-13
                            • 1847

                            #14
                            Only sometimes against huge favorites. But otherwise, never. Can look up the ROI ytd with a simple query in the SDQL database if you're interested. Let me know.
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                            • Thor4140
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 02-09-08
                              • 22296

                              #15
                              Originally posted by newguy
                              Curious to hear from anyone who takes the +1.5 run line in baseball. I take the -1.5 often when I'm on a heavy fav but was wondering how many take the other side often? To me, I don't see the value. Take this Houston/a's game today. Why take the A's -110 +1.5 instead of +200 or so? Give up a ton of value for 1 run no?

                              I like to learn from others when I don't see value so anyone take it? And if so - why??
                              -1.5 is one of the biggest sucker lines out there. Very rarely i take it and 99 percent of the time i go with the +1.5 line. Same with hockey
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                              • importmoon
                                SBR MVP
                                • 04-22-11
                                • 1140

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Thor4140
                                -1.5 is one of the biggest sucker lines out there. Very rarely i take it and 99 percent of the time i go with the +1.5 line. Same with hockey
                                absolutely true and 100% agree...
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                                • crackerjack
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-01-06
                                  • 3366

                                  #17
                                  If I was a big bettor with a big bankroll I'd bet +1.5 a lot. But the juice is rough for a small bettor like me. Better to just take the plus odds and hope your team doesn't lose by one run
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                                  • GzaTheGenius
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 02-12-13
                                    • 4181

                                    #18
                                    It's like taking a + 2 1/2 in the NFL, sure sometimes it works but in the long run it's a shot to the nuts
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                                    • Philmill
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 09-30-11
                                      • 4275

                                      #19
                                      +1.5 only in Hockey......
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                                      • mdunlap3
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-18-13
                                        • 1847

                                        #20
                                        Query = D and run line runs = 1.5 and season=2017

                                        Results:

                                        Dogs with +1.5 run line are 644-491 this season SU, with an ROI of -5.4%, the other side (-1.5) faves have an ROI .6%.
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                                        • xraygord
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-18-09
                                          • 2599

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Philmill
                                          +1.5 only in Hockey......
                                          Fuk no, that's worse than baseball.
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                                          • GzaTheGenius
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-12-13
                                            • 4181

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by xraygord
                                            Fuk no, that's worse than baseball.
                                            Parlaying two -1.5 in NHL is where it's at, easiest cash around
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                                            • Otters27
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 07-14-07
                                              • 30760

                                              #23
                                              Take +1.5 quite often
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                                              • Shute
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 03-20-17
                                                • 11835

                                                #24
                                                Never place that wager. Always on the other side -1.5. Shute
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                                                • newguy
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 12-27-09
                                                  • 6100

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Thor4140
                                                  -1.5 is one of the biggest sucker lines out there. Very rarely i take it and 99 percent of the time i go with the +1.5 line. Same with hockey
                                                  Why though?? What's basis??
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                                                  • newguy
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-27-09
                                                    • 6100

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mdunlap3
                                                    Query = D and run line runs = 1.5 and season=2017

                                                    Results:

                                                    Dogs with +1.5 run line are 644-491 this season SU, with an ROI of -5.4%, the other side (-1.5) faves have an ROI .6%.
                                                    Not sure how much work it would be but how do you control for only +1.5 when +1.5 is between -110 to +110? Then you would have to further identify how many times the dog won outright costing you about a unit normally. That would give true roi
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                                                    • lonegambler23
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 06-22-16
                                                      • 9760

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Shute
                                                      Never place that wager. Always on the other side -1.5. Shute
                                                      yeah dude we know who you are.. lol
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                                                      • Shute
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-20-17
                                                        • 11835

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by lonegambler23
                                                        yeah dude we know who you are.. lol
                                                        Thanks. Shute.
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                                                        • JPTerriers8
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 05-01-17
                                                          • 208

                                                          #29
                                                          +1.5 imo is the worst bet in baseball. I don't have any percentages or saying it's a fact but if someone would look it up I'm willing to bet that dogs win more games outright then they lose by only 1 run.
                                                          No point in paying juice to a dog to get a extra run
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                                                          • Shute
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-20-17
                                                            • 11835

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by JPTerriers8
                                                            +1.5 imo is the worst bet in baseball. I don't have any percentages or saying it's a fact but if someone would look it up I'm willing to bet that dogs win more games outright then they lose by only 1 run.
                                                            No point in paying juice to a dog to get a extra run
                                                            Explained it perfectly.
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                                                            • Jupiter333
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 01-15-14
                                                              • 102

                                                              #31
                                                              One game out of six with lose by one run exactly when playing the dog,....about the same ratio of someone betting the pointspread versus the moneyline in football.

                                                              It is never an advantage to bet +1.5 according to my database, however there is an advantage taking -1- in non divisional games when the line is greater than -170.
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                                                              • Bluehorseshoe
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 07-13-06
                                                                • 15003

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by SAX27
                                                                Might play +1.5 RL's in a parlay if I think they have a chance to win, juice on most plays is not playable. On the other side I will play numerous -1.5 RL's regularly.

                                                                My local does not offer the -1 line and often times I will play ML & -1.5 RL to get close to the -1.

                                                                Actually your local does. You can create a -1 run line on your own.
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                                                                • SAX27
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 07-03-15
                                                                  • 1324

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Blue, you are correct, as mentioned I will play the ML & RL in many cases to create the -1. Often times I will let it ride but in reality to get the true -1 it takes some math for each play.
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                                                                  • kingdom
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 07-25-10
                                                                    • 10099

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by FUqer
                                                                    I don't think I ever have or ever will, I would go RRL before +1.5, especially in games with high totals.

                                                                    72 dogs won last year in games with a total of 10 or more, 79% of those dogs who won, did so by 2 or more, 61% by 3 or more.

                                                                    77% for dogs who won in games with totals of 9 or more last season won by 2 or more.

                                                                    Some teams, like the Athletics when they win as dogs in high total games win by 2 or more well over 80% or more the last couple of season, and win by 3 or more 65% of the time they win as dogs. The Reds also win by 3 or more as dogs 62% of the time the last couple of season. It all depends on the team and situation.

                                                                    I always think about playing a dog SU for half a unit and RRL for half a unit in those games but never have as of yet.
                                                                    For perspective, how many games were with a total of 10+? Its an interesting stat but there are about 4500 baseball games a season. I'm not a database guy so not sure how to look it up.
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