Dirk has had a wonderful career, great Ambassador, BUT top 20 a reach

teaserpleaser · 03-09-17, 10:24 AM

dirk was the nicest white dude in the league when it was him and nash.....

truth.

kevin McHale lolz c'mon man

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 10:40 AM

at least he had some fun, awkward as it may have been:

jjgold · 03-09-17, 10:55 AM

Hard to say

He is much better than Mchale

mpaschal34 · 03-09-17, 11:08 AM

Depends on your measurement criteria. Sure there were guys more talented than him who had better stats (over a shorter time period). However you have to give Dirk his credit on longevity because of his hard work and dedication to his work. He's definitely top 20 in that criteria which means his total career numbers are better than those who didn't have his commitment.

Plus the guy was an awesome teammate and a great guy for his city. He will always be loved in Dallas.

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 11:08 AM

wouldn't say "much better", just much different.... while I was never a big fan of herman munster (hated his ass, as a matter of fact), he was almost exclusively a low post player... by design of the celtics offense..... dirk's game is more outside oriented.....

but herman had game:

one of the best up and under games of all time

DOM-Ganador · 03-09-17, 11:11 AM

6. Kevin McHale

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3 (1981, 1984, 1986)
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17.9 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.7 BPG, .554 FG%
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Photos: Top 10 all-time power forwards

Top 10 Power Forwards Of All Time
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With the all-time #NBArank underway, our team debates which power forwards are ranked too high or too low, and if Anthony Davis or Kristaps Porzingis will eventually make the top 10.

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Legendary for his footwork and low-post moves, McHale is a legit top-10 power forward even though he came off the bench for more than half of his career games. -- Adande
His turnaround shot was deadly accurate and unblockable, but his up-and-under move will always be the one burned in my brain. -- Doolittle
Guarding McHale in the post was aptly referred to as "The Torture Chamber." -- Adams
How many times have we heard Charles Barkley say that McHale, with those unforgettably long arms and that clever post game, was the toughest opponent he ever faced? Not much else needs to be said. -- Stein
DIRK ranked 3 in this greatest power forward ESPN poll.
Ahead of Barkley, Garnett and McHale. Behind Timmy and Malone.
Anyone who thinks these guys are not all in the same ball park is either too young or a definite homer.

lakerboy · 03-09-17, 11:22 AM

McHale was a fukking beast

mpaschal34 · 03-09-17, 11:28 AM

When I think of McHale, all I see in my mind are flailing elbows as he was acting like he got fouled. Guess I need to watch videos of him to get a better perspective of his game.

jjgold · 03-09-17, 11:32 AM

lol Mchale

Played with Larry Legend

DrunkHorseplayer · 03-09-17, 12:31 PM

He's better than Bird and way better than McHale.

DOM-Ganador · 03-09-17, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

He's better than Bird and way better than McHale.

Wow. Thanks for the post.

jjgold · 03-09-17, 01:00 PM

Mchale wouid get chewed alive in today's game

DOM-Ganador · 03-09-17, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=lakerboy;26837424]McHale was a fukking beast[/QUOT

Yeah LB, you have to be over 45 to appreciate anyone from that era.
Played an entire Finals with a broken foot (87??) which definitely shortened his career.
60/85 that one year he averaged 26 PPG all the while guarding the #1 forward.

His stats can`t be compared to most of these guys as he was 6th man for 1/2 his time, and had to always defer to LB and share the rock.

RockBottom · 03-09-17, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

He's better than Bird and way better than McHale.

Yes.

jtoler · 03-09-17, 01:06 PM

Some good points by you guys. Hard to compare, different games. Comparing both on post, different games there too, both monsters, McHale could shoot over you or make you look stupid with up and unders and various ways of getting to the basket. Dirk in post mostly shooting over you or fading back. Dirk killer from midrange and 3, McHale good from midrange, didnt shoot 3's, not his fault that just wasnt the game of PF's during the time and wasnt something that was developed. Rebounding, McHale better, Dirk may averaged more, but McHale was better at offensive rebounding, defensive rebounds easier to get. Defensively, McHale by a good bit.

DOM-Ganador · 03-09-17, 01:06 PM

Funny how you start a thread that gives proper credit to the current player, Dirk, but
all the crap is spewed on the former, McHale.

I would think about half the GM`s today would take Dirk, the other 1/2 take McHale depending on need.

JJ, McHale would still be a force down low today. Very unique moves.

jjgold · 03-09-17, 05:00 PM

Many think hard to compare Eras

McHale was lucky he played with great talent

Dirk did a lot on his own

shadymcgrady · 03-09-17, 05:10 PM

Dirk revolutionized the era as the prototypical stretch 4 of today's standards back in 01 and 02 but better than the birdman?! That's a bit of a stretch.

The dunking Deutchman had one of the best finals performances ever though, he beat the best and 2nd best players at the time in lebron and wade on a stacked miami squad with a bunch of AARP card guys well past their primes.

McHale was great but he didn't change the game like the 7 foot schnitzel did

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 05:15 PM

dirk a unique talent indeed.....

being a rockets fan, hated him due to all the no-touch fouls he got simply by floppin'.....

small sample of Dirk at his best..... knew to head for the floor the nano-second he knew his shot was off....

but have to acknowledge his great skillz, and agree with the sentiment that he's a first-class guy and a great spokesman for Big D --- he'd never have to buy his own drink in any bar in the metroplex.....

shadymcgrady · 03-09-17, 05:17 PM

Donker, how frustrating was it for u in h town to never get a shot at the title with tmac and Yao back in the early and mid 2000s? Defintely thought rockets were gonna make at least a western conference semis with that duo

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Mchale wouid get chewed alive in today's game

i had no idea nba players had snarled, snaggled teeth like your's capable of such chewing....

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

Donker, how frustrating was it for u in h town to never get a shot at the title with tmac and Yao back in the early and mid 2000s? Defintely thought rockets were gonna make at least a western conference semis with that duo

very frustrating, but at least I'll always have this:

hearing mcgrady talk and take us through the moment, how he put the team on his back, i think he may have retired exclusively to Madden Football.....

ps... after watching that vid of mcgrady, I must note I haven't seen a look like that on Pop's face since,.....

well, other than on election night nov, 2017.....

RoyBacon · 03-09-17, 05:32 PM

There are some studs in the the top 15-20 class. Guys like The Mailman, The Admiral and Charles Barkley. So I wouldn't put him in the top 20. In the 20-25 class is probably more like it with Kevin Garnett and Scotty Pipen.

Auto Donk · 03-09-17, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by RoyBacon

There are some studs in the the top 15-20 class. Guys like The Mailman, The Admiral and Charles Barkley. So I wouldn't put him in the top 20. In the 20-25 class is probably more like it with Kevin Garnett and Scotty Pipen.

pippen.......

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24	BOS	NBA	PF	82	33	28.4	5.7	10.7	.531	0.0	0.0		5.7	10.7	.531	.531	2.3	3.0	.754	2.3	4.5	6.8	1.1	0.4	2.3	1.7	3.2	13.6
25	BOS	NBA	PF	82	13	28.6	5.9	10.9	.541	0.0	0.0	.000	5.9	10.9	.541	.541	2.4	3.3	.717	2.6	4.1	6.7	1.3	0.4	2.3	1.9	2.9	14.1
26	BOS	NBA	PF	82	10	31.4	7.2	12.9	.556	0.0	0.0	.333	7.1	12.8	.557	.557	4.1	5.4	.765	2.5	4.9	7.4	1.3	0.3	1.5	1.8	3.0	18.4
27	BOS	NBA	PF	79	31	33.6	7.7	13.4	.570	0.0	0.1	.000	7.7	13.4	.573	.570	4.5	5.9	.760	2.9	6.1	9.0	1.8	0.4	1.5	2.0	3.0	19.8
28	BOS	NBA	PF	68	62	35.3	8.3	14.4	.574	0.0	0.0		8.3	14.4	.574	.574	4.8	6.2	.776	2.5	5.6	8.1	2.7	0.4	2.0	2.2	2.8	21.3
29	BOS	NBA	PF	77	77	39.7	10.3	17.0	.604	0.0	0.1	.000	10.3	16.9	.606	.604	5.6	6.6	.836	3.2	6.7	9.9	2.6	0.5	2.2	2.6	3.1	26.1
30	BOS	NBA	PF	64	63	37.3	8.6	14.2	.604	0.0	0.0		8.6	14.2	.604	.604	5.4	6.8	.797	2.5	5.9	8.4	2.7	0.4	1.4	2.2	2.8	22.6
31	BOS	NBA	PF	78	74	36.9	8.5	15.5	.546	0.0	0.1	.000	8.5	15.5	.548	.546	5.6	6.8	.818	2.9	5.3	8.2	2.2	0.3	1.2	2.5	2.9	22.5
32	BOS	NBA	PF	82	25	33.2	7.9	14.4	.549	0.3	0.8	.333	7.6	13.6	.562	.558	4.8	5.4	.893	2.5	5.8	8.3	2.1	0.4	1.9	2.2	3.0	20.9
33	BOS	NBA	PF	68	10	30.4	7.4	13.4	.553	0.2	0.5	.405	7.2	12.9	.559	.561	3.4	4.0	.829	2.1	4.9	7.1	1.9	0.4	2.1	2.1	2.9	18.4
34	BOS	NBA	PF	56	1	25.0	5.8	11.3	.509	0.0	0.2	.000	5.8	11.1	.520	.509	2.4	2.9	.822	2.1	3.8	5.9	1.5	0.2	1.1	1.5	2.0	13.9
35	BOS	NBA	PF	71	0	23.3	4.2	9.1	.459	0.0	0.3	.111	4.2	8.9	.469	.461	2.3	2.7	.841	1.3	3.7	5.0	1.0	0.2	0.8	1.3	1.8	10.7
		NBA		971	400	31.0	7.0	12.7	.554	0.0	0.2	.261	7.0	12.5	.558	.555	3.7	4.7	.798	2.4	4.9	7.3	1.7	0.4	1.7	1.9	2.8	17.9

20	DAL	NBA	PF	47	24	20.4	2.9	7.1	.405	0.3	1.4	.206	2.6	5.7	.455	.426	2.1	2.7	.773	0.9	2.6	3.4	1.0	0.6	0.6	1.6	2.2	8.2
21	DAL	NBA	PF	82	81	35.8	6.3	13.6	.461	1.4	3.7	.379	4.9	9.9	.491	.513	3.5	4.2	.830	1.2	5.2	6.5	2.5	0.8	0.8	1.7	3.1	17.5
22	DAL	NBA	PF	82	82	38.1	7.2	15.2	.474	1.8	4.8	.387	5.4	10.5	.513	.534	5.5	6.6	.838	1.5	7.7	9.2	2.1	1.0	1.2	1.9	3.0	21.8
23	DAL	NBA	C	76	76	38.0	7.9	16.6	.477	1.8	4.6	.397	6.1	11.9	.508	.532	5.8	6.8	.853	1.6	8.4	9.9	2.4	1.1	1.0	1.9	2.9	23.4
24	DAL	NBA	PF	80	80	39.0	8.6	18.6	.463	1.9	4.9	.379	6.8	13.7	.493	.513	6.0	6.9	.881	1.0	8.9	9.9	3.0	1.4	1.0	1.9	2.6	25.1
25	DAL	NBA	C	77	77	37.9	7.9	17.0	.462	1.3	3.8	.341	6.6	13.2	.496	.500	4.8	5.5	.877	1.2	7.5	8.7	2.7	1.2	1.4	1.8	2.8	21.8
26	DAL	NBA	PF	78	78	38.7	8.5	18.5	.459	1.2	2.9	.399	7.3	15.6	.470	.490	7.9	9.1	.869	1.2	8.5	9.7	3.1	1.2	1.5	2.3	2.8	26.1
27	DAL	NBA	PF	81	81	38.1	9.3	19.3	.480	1.4	3.3	.406	7.9	16.0	.496	.515	6.7	7.4	.901	1.4	7.6	9.0	2.8	0.7	1.0	1.9	2.0	26.6
28	DAL	NBA	PF	78	78	36.2	8.6	17.2	.502	0.9	2.2	.416	7.7	15.0	.515	.529	6.4	7.1	.904	1.6	7.3	8.9	3.4	0.7	0.8	2.1	2.2	24.6
29	DAL	NBA	PF	77	77	36.0	8.2	17.1	.479	1.0	2.9	.359	7.2	14.2	.504	.510	6.2	7.1	.879	1.2	7.3	8.6	3.5	0.7	0.9	2.1	2.6	23.6
30	DAL	NBA	PF	81	81	37.7	9.6	20.0	.479	0.8	2.1	.359	8.8	17.9	.493	.498	6.0	6.7	.890	1.1	7.3	8.4	2.4	0.8	0.8	1.9	2.2	25.9
31	DAL	NBA	PF	81	80	37.5	8.9	18.5	.481	0.6	1.5	.421	8.3	17.0	.487	.498	6.6	7.2	.915	1.0	6.7	7.7	2.7	0.9	1.0	1.8	2.6	25.0
32	DAL	NBA	PF	73	73	34.3	8.4	16.2	.517	0.9	2.3	.393	7.5	13.8	.538	.545	5.4	6.1	.892	0.7	6.3	7.0	2.6	0.5	0.6	1.9	2.4	23.0
33	DAL	NBA	PF	62	62	33.5	7.6	16.7	.457	1.3	3.4	.368	6.4	13.3	.481	.495	5.1	5.7	.896	0.7	6.0	6.7	2.2	0.7	0.5	1.9	2.1	21.6
34	DAL	NBA	PF	53	47	31.3	6.5	13.7	.471	1.2	3.0	.414	5.2	10.8	.487	.516	3.1	3.6	.860	0.7	6.2	6.8	2.5	0.7	0.7	1.3	1.8	17.3
35	DAL	NBA	PF	80	80	32.9	7.9	15.9	.497	1.6	4.1	.398	6.3	11.8	.532	.549	4.2	4.7	.899	0.5	5.7	6.2	2.7	0.9	0.6	1.5	2.1	21.7
36	DAL	NBA	PF	77	77	29.6	6.3	13.8	.459	1.4	3.6	.380	5.0	10.2	.486	.508	3.3	3.8	.882	0.6	5.4	5.9	1.9	0.5	0.4	1.1	2.1	17.3
37	DAL	NBA	PF	75	75	31.5	6.6	14.8	.448	1.7	4.6	.368	5.0	10.3	.483	.504	3.3	3.7	.893	0.7	5.8	6.5	1.8	0.7	0.7	1.1	2.1	18.3
38	DAL	NBA	PF	37	37	26.4	5.3	12.4	.425	1.5	3.9	.372	3.8	8.5	.449	.484	1.9	2.1	.886	0.5	6.2	6.7	1.6	0.6	0.7	1.0	2.1	13.9
		NBA		1377	1346	35.0	7.7	16.3	.473	1.3	3.3	.381	6.4	12.9	.497	.512	5.1	5.8	.879	1.0	6.8	7.8	2.5	0.8	0.9	1.8	2.4	21.8