Going with duke tonight

**unde0087** · 01-30-17, 01:56 PM

so you call ND overrated in the first sentence and then say you don't normally like to bet against good home teams?

**CWD** · 01-30-17, 02:13 PM

they get hot at home a lot = overachieving = overrated.

they have been hot on road that makes it tough - how many 3s they hit in that FSU game im still sick over that one

on paper tho duke is on another level

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 01-30-17, 02:18 PM

I'm on ND. Line seems fishy but thought the same of the Mich St. line yesterday. How'd that turn out.

**newguy** · 01-30-17, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

so you call ND overrated in the first sentence and then say you don't normally like to bet against good home teams?

Yea. They are good. Still over rated. Those two terms aren't mutually exclusive of one another. I don't think they are as good as duke. I think the line is lower than it should be because they are notre dame so I see value on the blue devils.

I respect you unde so just clarifying my position. Good luck either way my man!

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 02:50 PM

I would think the Duke name has more clout than 'Notre Dame' and gets a couple points on that alone.....on top of that, the Duke comeback against Wake provides an illusion to the public that they can 'turn it on' when need be. IMO, Duke is more likely to beat themselves than Notre Dame is....I think Notre Dame is much more disciplined. Should be a good game. GL.

**DOM_Toretto** · 01-30-17, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by CWD

on paper tho duke is on another level

If you're still looking on paper at this point of the season then idk how to help you.

Duke has no point guard. They have 1 ACC road win - which they had to come back from down 10 at half, down 10 with 4 mins left, down 7 with 2 mins left... to beat Wake by 2. Basically took a WF collapse.

Duke playing 2nd road game in 52 hours, against the Irish who have owned them past couple years. ND at home coming off 2 straight losses, including their only home loss of the season to a defensive powerhouse UVA (= opposite of Duke)

**unde0087** · 01-30-17, 03:02 PM

I hear you newguy but I would argue that ND isn't overrated and they are a better team than Duke is. ND has a very good coach and you can see it in the way they play. Irish always play to their strengths no matter who they play or where they play. Brey is a very underrated coach in my opinion. He has played in brutally tough conferences and his teams havs not only held their own but always found a way to be one of the top teams even though he doesn't get any highly rated recruits. He has a good system in place and has done a great job with all of his teams no matter who he loses or brings in. As we all know, I am a huge UNC fan but I would say my 2nd favorite team to watch is the Irish. I am just impressed year to year how well ND does when they are so under sized in a league full of giants. It is amazing how efficient everyone of Breys teams are and, as well all know, they can all shoot the lights out.

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 03:25 PM

The Irish are a throwback to what was commonplace in the 80's decade....True fundamental basketball players with basketball IQ's. I love their style. Most of these teams in this day and age make the game look like a pickup game at the YMCA. Great athletes, but lacking fundamentals and knowledge of game situations.

**newguy** · 01-30-17, 03:57 PM

Interesting. This is good stuff from everyone for sure so I appreciate the feedback! This is why I am on this site. Lots of good feedback and insight from the group here.

**Goat Milk** · 01-30-17, 04:01 PM

All this analysis and not even one player's name mentioned?

All these factors are good, like DOM said Duke as no PG , the Hat mentioned bball iq, CWD said overrated, etc.

But at the end of the day most of it is matchup based

No clue about anything in college, was hoping to find some good analysis in here though about the players on the court

**newguy** · 01-30-17, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

All this analysis and not even one player's name mentioned?

All these factors are good, like DOM said Duke as no PG , the Hat mentioned bball iq, CWD said overrated, etc.

But at the end of the day most of it is matchup based

No clue about anything in college, was hoping to find some good analysis in here though about the players on the court

I haven't looked at many places on here but know this is the only thread I saw with someone on Duke and everyone in here saying I'm on wrong side. Could be that Irish win and I'm wrong but just looking around - even without capping the game - it seems like many are on Irish so always like to be on other side of that.

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**Goat Milk** · 01-30-17, 04:12 PM

I just looked through all those threads and not one player's name is mentioned in any of them and not one matchup diagnosed. Ppl are using Coach K as their incentive to bet on Duke, or ND history or w/e to bet on the Irish.

Terrible capping. Players win and lose games.

**Cuse0323** · 01-30-17, 04:22 PM

I'm rolling with Duke. No analysis. Luke Kennard is in a groove. Brey vs. K. I'll take K.

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

All this analysis and not even one player's name mentioned?

All these factors are good, like DOM said Duke as no PG , the Hat mentioned bball iq, CWD said overrated, etc.

But at the end of the day most of it is matchup based

No clue about anything in college, was hoping to find some good analysis in here though about the players on the court

You're too hung up on individual players, same as in that Melo thread. If you wanna make any $, better stay team based.

**Goat Milk** · 01-30-17, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by The Hat

You're too hung up on individual players, same as in that Melo thread. If you wanna make any $, better stay team based.

Players win and lose games. Oh, I make money. Been making money for 15 years gambling. Cause I have info that the books don't. On players. Their skill sets. Their weaknesses. Their mindset. How they matchup against someone else. What their opponents weaknesses are. Books don't have guys that know that. That's why I clean up every year in the NBA. I know everything about every player.

Teams change all the time. History means nothing. Players and coaching schemes determine everything.

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 04:25 PM

Fool's gold to think it's an individual game. Teams win games, not one or two players.

**DOM_Toretto** · 01-30-17, 04:32 PM

Goatie how about this:

ND undersized big man Bonzie Colstons last two games vs. Duke (@duke & neutral last season) are 31 & 11, and 12 & 12, both highly efficient games. But that was going against Plumlee and Jeter. Amile Jefferson was out. Jefferson is a stronger defender but doesn't pose the quite the size mismatch Plumlee did.

Vasturia shot combined 12/27 for 34 pts while Kennard shot 12/29 for 36. Seems like an even matchup there.

The other matchups have changed and will be new tonight.

Notre Dame has been shooting considerably better from 3 than Duke lately, and ND shoots FTs at 82% clip as a team - #1 highest in the country - and could benefit from home calls in a big game...? (ND has averaged 1.5 more FT attempts per game at home vs. away in last 6 of each game - not a major difference. And Duke is in top 3rd of country in terms of not fouling much.)

**Goat Milk** · 01-30-17, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by The Hat

Fool's gold to think it's an individual game. Teams win games, not one or two players.

YES, and teams consist of PLAYERS. Every player on the team matters.

**Goat Milk** · 01-30-17, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by DOM_Toretto

Goatie how about this:

ND undersized big man Bonzie Colstons last two games vs. Duke (@duke & neutral last season) are 31 & 11, and 12 & 12, both highly efficient games. But that was going against Plumlee and Jeter. Amile Jefferson was out. Jefferson is a stronger defender but doesn't pose the quite the size mismatch Plumlee did.

Vasturia shot combined 12/27 for 34 pts while Kennard shot 12/29 for 36. Seems like an even matchup there.

The other matchups have changed and will be new tonight.

Notre Dame has been shooting considerably better from 3 than Duke lately, and ND shoots FTs at 82% clip as a team - #1 highest in the country - and could benefit from home calls in a big game...? (ND has averaged 1.5 more FT attempts per game at home vs. away in last 6 of each game - not a major difference. And Duke is in top 3rd of country in terms of not fouling much.)

Thank you good sir. Some good points for all to consider.

**MMANick** · 01-30-17, 05:14 PM

Here's a name, Bonzie Colson. He plays on ND and is a stud that plays very well versus Duke. Their PG is Matt Farrell. He is a true PG, which is what Duke is really missing this year. ND is full of shooters and they play well at home and always play pretty good defense. I also like ND's experience here. Beachem & Vasturia are 4 year players, and Farrell & Colson are 3 year players. They're also all starters.

**sleeper** · 01-30-17, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

I just looked through all those threads and not one player's name is mentioned in any of them and not one matchup diagnosed. Ppl are using Coach K as their incentive to bet on Duke, or ND history or w/e to bet on the Irish.

Terrible capping. Players win and lose games.

Matt Farrell
Duke has no PG

ND +105

**CWD** · 01-30-17, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by DOM_Toretto

If you're still looking on paper at this point of the season then idk how to help you.

its ok i did not ask for your help

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by CWD

its ok i did not ask for your help

Goat has inside info that the books don't have if you change your mind

**Duke Fan** · 01-30-17, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Cuse0323

I'm rolling with Duke. No analysis. Luke Kennard is in a groove. Brey vs. K. I'll take K.

K not there unless a late change this afternoon. Colson could have a field day if Jefferson gets in foul trouble. Duke freshmen bigs cannot play defense.

I hope you are on the right side, but don't see it. Duke struggling big time

**jtoler** · 01-30-17, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by MMANick

Here's a name, Bonzie Colson. He plays on ND and is a stud that plays very well versus Duke. Their PG is Matt Farrell. He is a true PG, which is what Duke is really missing this year. ND is full of shooters and they play well at home and always play pretty good defense. I also like ND's experience here. Beachem & Vasturia are 4 year players, and Farrell & Colson are 3 year players. They're also all starters.

Would be nice if ND were more physical, theyre not getting to the free throw line this year.

**MMANick** · 01-30-17, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Would be nice if ND were more physical, theyre not getting to the free throw line this year.

When they get there they don't miss!!

**INVEGA MAN** · 01-30-17, 07:16 PM

IM going the other way. I think DUKE is overrated

**newguy** · 01-30-17, 07:30 PM

We will know in about 90 mins. Either way good luck on everything you bet today (except nd - hope you lose that haha).

Let's get it boys!!

**The Hat** · 01-30-17, 07:39 PM

Farrell's intensity is down a lil tonight. Looks passive on both ends

**intermission** · 01-30-17, 07:48 PM

lets go duke

**jjgold** · 01-30-17, 07:53 PM

good call on Duke

**chosen4th** · 01-30-17, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

good call on Duke

tryin for that reverse jinx?

**unde0087** · 01-30-17, 07:57 PM

Looking good newguy, lets see if Duke can finish it off. ND looked pretty stagnate in that first half. I guess the embarrassment of coach K's newly implemented rules have the Dukies attention.

**newguy** · 01-30-17, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

good call on Duke

Good try gold.