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Read my very first post, guys.Comment -
reputable books yes
risky books no, some guys take the shot and the books do pay
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Well, according to Sam on SBR, this one is. I don't think a Book can possibly have that type of teasing bonus and take gullible players in, yet, have a clear conscious. I'm guilty of not looking at the math of that crazy rollover because I've seen so many in the past that were on average, fair, and a good chance every time of making that roll number. And throwing in your dep with the 200% rollover seems outrageous. Right?
I mean, seems no one on this thread is looking at this insurmountable rollover? Look again and tell me how anyone can roll 81 big ones with a bank roll of 1500?
And a 500 limit and no point buying on bonus money.
* A question for the more advanced gambler who loves rollovers...is my dep money theirs til I make that rollover?
** If so, why waste that dep money trying to win a play when I will never reach that next to impossible destination? I'd only be spinning my wheels.Comment -
This one, Sam?Comment -
HRWager is solidComment -
I would do $350 . That way the rollover is a bit lower and with that you can start off with a good amount. Even with a 100% bonus (700) hit 4 games now i know there is juice but still this would just be a bit lower but you get the idea . This is not impossible to hit 4 games.
1 game- $ 1400
2 games- $2800
3 games -$5600
4 games-$11200Comment -
20-25 thousand is about the max I'm will to agree to rollover for any bonus, anything over that and I start to negotiate with the book. Less rollover or less bonus. A deposit is meant to come back not meant to be lost forever.Well, according to Sam on SBR, this one is. I don't think a Book can possibly have that type of teasing bonus and take gullible players in, yet, have a clear conscious. I'm guilty of not looking at the math of that crazy rollover because I've seen so many in the past that were on average, fair, and a good chance every time of making that roll number. And throwing in your dep with the 200% rollover seems outrageous. Right?
I mean, seems no one on this thread is looking at this insurmountable rollover? Look again and tell me how anyone can roll 81 big ones with a bank roll of 1500?
And a 500 limit and no point buying on bonus money.
* A question for the more advanced gambler who loves rollovers...is my dep money theirs til I make that rollover?
** If so, why waste that dep money trying to win a play when I will never reach that next to impossible destination? I'd only be spinning my wheels.Comment -
Is it HR Wager or Wager Web that limits your bets to a percentage of the deposit?Comment -
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$20,000 just invest in market
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Sam, are you a moderator on SBR? And did you not start a thread poll about favorite Books here, about 5 months ago?
I recall you did. Am I wrong? If I recall, you said they were a solid Book and paid on time, no problems. You loved them.
Now, I ask you, and after you've see my concerns here, what can I do with this impossible situation you have helped me get into?
I also talked of them about 2 weeks on a thread...you overlooked, I guess?
The big question you seem to avoid: Why that outrageous 18 X rollover, first, and have you ever seen another Book expect as much as they do to ever get a payout, if, you take their 200% rollover? Meaning: Dep/bonus X 18?
And since you're a moderator[ right?] and work with these Books, I do need all questions answered in detail, please?
Our members need to know before jumping into that deep pool they offer.
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The post has been answered by multiple people who have tried to explain nicely that you sound a bit silly with it.
Sam Odom is not a moderator or SBR employee.
Sam, are you a moderator on SBR? And did you not start a thread poll about favorite Books here, about 5 months ago?
I recall you did. Am I wrong? If I recall, you said they were a solid Book and paid on time, no problems. You loved them.
Now, I ask you, and after you've see my concerns here, what can I do with this impossible situation you have helped me get into?
I also talked of them about 2 weeks on a thread...you overlooked, I guess?
The big question you seem to avoid: Why that outrageous 18 X rollover, first, and have you ever seen another Book expect as much as they do to ever get a payout, if, you take their 200% rollover? Meaning: Dep/bonus X 18?
And since you're a moderator[ right?] and work with these Books, I do need all questions answered in detail, please?
Our members need to know before jumping into that deep pool they offer.
And it is you who appears to want to ignore the responses.
I answered you in detail on the previous page among others who have explained
I think you are just trying to troll now..Comment -
No absentminded Optional, it hasn't been and I DO NOT like bs and hypocrisy if I suspect it's there and I do in this case. Maybe you are friendly with this Book? You seem like a friend.
Did you answer the most important 2 questions I asked?
I don't think so and neither did anyone else.
1. Have you ever seen a Book combine the Dep/Bonus and have a high rollover such as this Book? You seem arrogant enough and confident enough, so, answer that one for starters.
2. Now, being a big fan of theirs and have cashed out several times [
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This Book is poor and I do think they do tamper with your odds when they see you can pick two winners in a row. That is almost for sure they did, but today, I cannot prove it because I had to give up many of those "higher" point buying odds. Like, going from 110 and buying 1 point if you want to pay 30 more cents to the dollar. And probably jumping to an additional 15 if you buy another 1/2 point? Something like that.
I do believe they did for it awhile when I was doing pretty good, and it was not the case a few months ago.
All fair in love and war, you say? No, not when you tamper and designate rules to strap one individual player. A player already wasting his time and not realizing [unlike Optional] he has little or no chance to beat this concrete contract he has fell into.
Why waste a bet with them where you'll never collect the win money unless you're a genius like unowo and beat this rap?
And, Optional, do you have better advice for the fellow above...named ....
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I would do $350 . That way the rollover is a bit lower and with that you can start off with a good amount. Even with a 100% bonus (700) hit 4 games now i know there is juice but still this would just be a bit lower but you get the idea . This is not impossible to hit 4 games.
1 game- $ 1400
2 games- $2800
3 games -$5600
4 games-$11200
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Wut?
You have right at 19,000 to roll. You have 350 to hang on to til it's rolled. Playing the bonus money will not get you one buck closer to the 19,000 needed. That 350 alone must get you past that 19,000 because winnings do not count on the rollover....right?Comment -
Okay, I see you are a moderator.
But here is what you said:
I think that's exactly the same usual deal at Betphoenix/Skybook etc. 18x deposit + bonus. Betonline the same way but with lower x
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{I agree it's a big rollover amount but not that unusual really.} Please educate me on this answer? NOT unusual?
You have no chance unless you call tiny, a chance?Comment -
No books are giving away money. If its a 100% or 200% bonus you will be playing until your dying days to cash out with it. And that's the way it should be. Lose to a couple of professional gamblers and take from the recreational bettor trying to make out quick.Comment -
Best bonus ever was wagerweb 100% that could be used in casino
Could bet big ML dogs with the principle and lay off at an exchange, then bet the bonus on single zero roulette
Made 70-90% per bonus off that but it's long gone, all kinds of restrictions nowComment -
Me personally, I wouldn't enter into a 18X or 20X deposit plus bonus rollover under ANY conditions. I know I'm not turning over 81 thousand dollars in a short or long time with one book. But it does happen, the books just put the hooks out there, only the greedy fish will bite.Comment -
On a $1500 bank roll. 1% or 2% bankroll means a $15 to $30 wager. Thats 300 $15 wagers to clear $4500. Dont you have to roll over the winnings also?. So you will be wagering a long long time before withdrawal. On a 20x rollover. 1-2% of bankroll is professional. To ease the bad streaks loss. I dont count the freeplay into my wager % until i win it and its part of my actual balance. Ive got 4 or 5 rollovers going currently right now. And at 1 to 2% i dont expect to be withdrawing anytime real soon. But also wagering a smaller % means i am wagering more wagers. Just have to make sure i.m winning 54% or higher of my -110 bets. But my roll is growing but also football is coming to a end. Easist sport to handicap. Nfl.Comment -
The answer to your question is currently no. After im done rolling over other accounts. I might do it. But view it as a long term investment. Maybe 2 to 3 years. If its Bet Phoenix a sbr grade c book. Ive never tried them. Prolly not more then a G. Roll it over and make the with drawal. (Thats initially a $15 to $30 wager. I keep each books bankroll seperate). If things are good. And you collect. Mite go for another 200% bonus if they still offer it. Deposit $1500 to $2000 next round.Comment -
Now this is what I just found out about a reputable Book.
I dep 400 and get a bonus of 80 with a 5 X roll. 20%
Total to roll is....5x400! You also get a 16$ free bet for every 400 you roll.
Now guys, we need more Books like this and none like the one I have been talking my head off, about, for days.
5 times $400, and each time you complete a roll over of $400 you will get $16 free play.Comment -
Not unusual means other books offer the same.
I already quoted two. I think I could find 20 with that or worse offers if I looked for 5 mins but it sounds like nothing will convince you to take some personal responsibility.
All of us have a choice of what type of bonus we take, or not.
You just jumped into one that does not suit you because of the same reason you have started two threads crying like a douchebag that you are being ripped off somehow. You are too lazy/stupid to read for yourself like everyone else and want to balme anyone else but yourself.
Did HR hide the terms from you in any way? That is the only reason you might have to whinge.
Next time read the terms before taking a bonus.Comment -
Not that it is any of your business but I am no friend of HRwager. I have never used the book and nothing they have offered has ever made me even stop and consider it.No absentminded Optional, it hasn't been and I DO NOT like bs and hypocrisy if I suspect it's there and I do in this case. Maybe you are friendly with this Book? You seem like a friend.
Did you answer the most important 2 questions I asked?
I don't think so and neither did anyone else.
1. Have you ever seen a Book combine the Dep/Bonus and have a high rollover such as this Book? You seem arrogant enough and confident enough, so, answer that one for starters.
2. Now, being a big fan of theirs and have cashed out several times [ ], right? Did you take a similar bonus? And how did you manage it, if you actually pulled that genius deal off?
And you're questions were answered plenty of times by not just me.
18x deposit+bonus on a 200% bonus is not unusual.
And EVERY bookmaker counts the rollover based on the lesser of the risk/win amount.
Why don't you know that?
Calling me arrogant whilst stating over and again things are unheard of that a newbie should know whilst ignoring the overly nice way people tried to explain to you is pretty funny..Comment -
Well, looks like I did overload on you by mistake? Someone, not you I suppose, told how they had rolled over with the same method I have to use. Thought it was you, so I will apologize for that mistake.
Not scot-free, though. You still seem to overlook the insurmountable contract you must agree to? I will check it out and see if you are correct since you seem not to really address that horrible rollover gig in detail.
Now, since you are a monitor on here, you should be screaming at your members, not, to join up with this Book. That's called looking out for your fellow com-padres.
And if you and SBR have this particular Book, rated an A or B, I say, no way. Books like these rely on naive gamblers--and yes I did admit I was at fault for looking blindly at that 200%, and explained in detail why I took it too passively.
Since you have raised so much Cain, and some of what you have stated is wrong, I will go back and read your answers more closely.
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Optional is a good guy i do not believe he would steer you wrong. As for me i always when i can take a bonus. The bigger the better as long as the Roll is doable.Well, looks like I did overload on you by mistake? Someone, not you I suppose, told how they had rolled over with the same method I have to use. Thought it was you, so I will apologize for that mistake.
Not scot-free, though. You still seem to overlook the insurmountable contract you must agree to? I will check it out and see if you are correct since you seem not to really address that horrible rollover gig in detail.
Now, since you are a monitor on here, you should be screaming at your members, not, to join up with this Book. That's called looking out for your fellow com-padres.
And if you and SBR have this particular Book, rated an A or B, I say, no way. Books like these rely on naive gamblers--and yes I did admit I was at fault for looking blindly at that 200%, and explained in detail why I took it too passively.
Since you have raised so much Cain, and some of what you have stated is wrong, I will go back and read your answers more closely.
DSI has a bonus i normally take but i do not always get it . They call it 200% but it is a 100% in the Casino and a 100% in the SB . I normally do $350 . The rollover only counts on the deposit NOT both.Once in a blue moon i get the roll in Casino but 90% you will lose because it is rigged. But i did hit my biggest once in there at $1500 . I recently took $350 up to $12000 and lost it all in the BS casino like a moron. But i did get it there. CRS has one at a 130% CASH with a 15Xs roll . I have cashed out there once with the roll getting $4000 after starting with $350. GTbets does cash too but their % is only 15% . But they have specials at times for higher. My last hit was at GTbets last year and that took $150 to $10000 but that was the last one.Comment -
Okay, I found the one I thought was like a partner to the one this thread covers.
You DO NOT have to rollover your complete bonus money, meaning, like the one I had, 3000 X 18.
If I should win 1000 off that 3000 freebie with this different Book, I would have to roll that 1000 and my original dep, 16 times, not 18 times.
Sounds much better, even though somewhat similar but not as difficult by a large margin in my mind.
So, the worst scenario seems to be like this. I win a total of 1000 off my bonus, and now it's all gone. But that win of 1000 x 16 = another 16,000 roll. That, and my dep of 1500 x 16 = 24,000
Add them together and you get 40,000. Mine was over 80 grand.
HALF as much as Optional stated about mine being the norm for these 200% rollovers.
My guilt I apologized for and your guilt, I hope to you will address it?Comment -
I don't like those bonus terms either Abe.
Well, looks like I did overload on you by mistake? Someone, not you I suppose, told how they had rolled over with the same method I have to use. Thought it was you, so I will apologize for that mistake.
Not scot-free, though. You still seem to overlook the insurmountable contract you must agree to? I will check it out and see if you are correct since you seem not to really address that horrible rollover gig in detail.
Now, since you are a monitor on here, you should be screaming at your members, not, to join up with this Book. That's called looking out for your fellow com-padres.
And if you and SBR have this particular Book, rated an A or B, I say, no way. Books like these rely on naive gamblers--and yes I did admit I was at fault for looking blindly at that 200%, and explained in detail why I took it too passively.
Since you have raised so much Cain, and some of what you have stated is wrong, I will go back and read your answers more closely.
I would take the CRIS/Bookmaker one Cappy mentions too (if they would let me have it anymore). That suits me way better.
But it's not some sort of scam offering these big ones.
People who like them probably approach them in one of two ways. 1) Go hard at the beginning and either win a big balance or lose the bonus so they dont need to be concerned about the rollover any further. or 2) Fixed unit bettors who don't have big balance swings, dont really care about any size rollover and look at the overall number and pretty much know in advance they will complete it in 6 months or 12 months or whatever.
I don't want to be tied into that personally but it's not a scam to openly offer it with transparent terms for those that do.
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I do agree that with all the combined HRwager terms this bonus is tougher to complete than others that also offer 18x Dep + Bonus terms.Okay, I found the one I thought was like a partner to the one this thread covers.
You DO NOT have to rollover your complete bonus money, meaning, like the one I had, 3000 X 18.
If I should win 1000 off that 3000 freebie with this different Book, I would have to roll that 1000 and my original dep, 16 times, not 18 times.
Sounds much better, even though somewhat similar but not as difficult by a large margin in my mind.
So, the worst scenario seems to be like this. I win a total of 1000 off my bonus, and now it's all gone. But that win of 1000 x 16 = another 16,000 roll. That, and my dep of 1500 x 16 = 24,000
Add them together and you get 40,000. Mine was over 80 grand.
HALF as much as Optional stated about mine being the norm for these 200% rollovers.
My guilt I apologized for and your guilt, I hope to you will address it?
I think I did say that in my first reply.
This HR deal definitely is not for everyone but people really do take it knowingly and think they can complete it.
Any 200% offer needs to be looked at really carefully. Hardly a one you will find that is 'easy' to complete.
And sorry for my rudeness. I guess you aren't trolling just trying to understand after all..Comment
