If you read this you can't not vote Trump

[Triple_D_Bet]

tripleD lying about trump again. liberals... That is his cue to run away now.

Haven't run away from anything on here yet; I usually ignore you because you're fond of just calling thing lies without feeling any need to prove otherwise. I'll give you a shot here: got any info on a released plan of Trumps which is effective by some objective measure?

The other reason for replying to you here: please remember to have your 2k points available to pay me on our wager when Trump doesn't win.

[brooks85]

Haven't run away from anything on here yet; I usually ignore you because you're fond of just calling thing lies without feeling any need to prove otherwise. I'll give you a shot here: got any info on a released plan of Trumps which is effective by some objective measure?

The other reason for replying to you here: please remember to have your 2k points available to pay me on our wager when Trump doesn't win.

oh, ok then


you're a rapist


prove otherwise or maybe I should just not lie in the first place? What do you think?

[Gaze73]

Better question: why would anyone of any political persuasion believe that Trump has any credibility when he says things? He continues to insist that well-documented reality regarding him and others is false...yet this is the guy you're going to take at his word when he says he'll magically make it all better?

Hyperbole aside, we don't disagree that people voting for a habitual liar who has released no plans to restore sanity to Washington are wasting their votes. It appears we only disagree on what you call that liar: 'Trump or Clinton' is the correct answer

Assuming he's a liar, there's a 50/50 chance he'd do something to clear the corruption. With Hillary the chance is 0%, because she IS the corruption. Also, Hillary win means Dems will be in power forever, is that what you're looking forward to?

[Triple_D_Bet]

oh, ok then


you're a rapist


prove otherwise or maybe I should just not lie in the first place? What do you think?

Not lie in the first place would be a better idea, you'd look less foolish. Strike one, care to try again?

Haven't run away from anything on here yet; I usually ignore you because you're fond of just calling thing lies without feeling any need to prove otherwise. I'll give you a shot here: got any info on a released plan of Trumps which is effective by some objective measure?

The other reason for replying to you here: please remember to have your 2k points available to pay me on our wager when Trump doesn't win.

[brooks85]

Haven't run away from anything on here yet; I usually ignore you because you're fond of just calling thing lies without feeling any need to prove otherwise. I'll give you a shot here: got any info on a released plan of Trumps which is effective by some objective measure?

The other reason for replying to you here: please remember to have your 2k points available to pay me on our wager when Trump doesn't win.

multiple examples in his tax plan from corporate rates to tax holidays. So, please stop lying.

[brooks85]

Not lie in the first place would be a better idea, you'd look less foolish. Strike one, care to try again?

I'm kind of surprised you walked right into that one but there ya go. Find a mirror and stop making up bs lies.

[DwightShrute]

Better question: why would anyone of any political persuasion believe that Trump has any credibility when he says things? He continues to insist that well-documented reality regarding him and others is false...yet this is the guy you're going to take at his word when he says he'll magically make it all better?

Hyperbole aside, we don't disagree that people voting for a habitual liar who has released no plans to restore sanity to Washington are wasting their votes. It appears we only disagree on what you call that liar: 'Trump or Clinton' is the correct answer

There are many people (good people) that don't get into politics because they have to sell-out in order to get to any level of power. We all know this. Along with the fact that your entire life will gone over with a fine tooth comb, especially if you aren't the main stream media's choice. Let's face it, no one is a saint and we all have done or said things in the past that we might change if given the opportunity. Life doesn't work that way.

Politicians lie. All of them do. If its not your guy, then those lies are much worse and much more often than your candidates. If it's your guy, then those lies aren't nearly as bad as the other guy's lies. Everyone knows this. It will never change.

Trump has detailed many of his ideas for those that are willing to make a small effort. Discount or don't, disagree with them or don't but they are there for anyone to see.

Trump is the only choice. Unless you just are will to accept more incompetence, gridlock, blaming and debt.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Assuming he's a liar, there's a 50/50 chance he'd do something to clear the corruption. With Hillary the chance is 0%, because she IS the corruption. Also, Hillary win means Dems will be in power forever, is that what you're looking forward to?

Hillary's chances are certainly near-zero...but why would you assume there's a 50% chance Trump would clear out the corruption? He's benefited from the corruption in his private life and shows the same signs of being corrupt; the only thing against it is his word, and if we can't take him at that (which it certainly doesn't appear like we can), the evidence seems to point pretty conclusively to him being likely to be just as corrupt.

Hillary winning doesn't mean democrats are in power forever...a party being in power depends on how many people support it, and until the support changes, the voting won't. Hillary being elected isn't likely to change her supporters' minds, and if they're willing to ignore reality to vote for her (as Trump supporters do), it's unlikely any bad events under her administration will cause them to be swayed away from voting for their team.

[brooks85]

Haven't run away from anything on here yet; I usually ignore you because you're fond of just calling thing lies without feeling any need to prove otherwise. I'll give you a shot here: got any info on a released plan of Trumps which is effective by some objective measure?

The other reason for replying to you here: please remember to have your 2k points available to pay me on our wager when Trump doesn't win.

yeah like I would have forgot something I reminded you of already. Don't even try, you're awful chatty now that the odds have changed drastically solely because bettors in a small market pounded a line. Win or lose you still were way off in your reasoning.


and here is a 1k points for you if you can name me one thing hillary is going to do by some objective measure?


and try not to tell me ideas where she uses tax dollars to pay for something. Tell me how letting in 500% more refugees who will not and do not mesh with their host countries is a good idea? Tell me how raising my taxes is a good idea? Tell me how raising the minimum wage is a good idea? Tell me how going after guns owned and bought by law abiding citizens is a good idea? Tell me one thing Chicago has done that is a good idea?

[Triple_D_Bet]

multiple examples in his tax plan from corporate rates to tax holidays. So, please stop lying.

His tax plan isn't accompanied by and reduction in spending, and the reduced revenues are therefore directly adding to our debt. By all accounts I'm aware of, we're talking around $10 trillion over the next 10 years. Unless you have a credible source that shows otherwise, that's pretty obviously a non-effective plan.

There are many people (good people) that don't get into politics because they have to sell-out in order to get to any level of power. We all know this. Along with the fact that your entire life will gone over with a fine tooth comb, especially if you aren't the main stream media's choice. Let's face it, no one is a saint and we all have done or said things in the past that we might change if given the opportunity. Life doesn't work that way.

Politicians lie. All of them do. If its not your guy, then those lies are much worse and much more often than your candidates. If it's your guy, then those lies aren't nearly as bad as the other guy's lies. Everyone knows this. It will never change.

Trump has detailed many of his ideas for those that are willing to make a small effort. Discount or don't, disagree with them or don't but they are there for anyone to see.

Trump is the only choice. Unless you just are will to accept more incompetence, gridlock, blaming and debt.

Sure, many people stay out of politics because they believe there's only one corrupt way to proceed. Not all politicians lie; Johnson and Stein don't seem to be deliberately misleading anyone about anything or denying objective reality like Clinton and Trump are. If you keep voting for lying politicians like Clinton and Trump, you're perpetuating the problem.

Trump isn't a choice for anyone looking for competence (he hasn't demonstrated any politically, and has given us some good reasons to suspect he can't), or not-blaming-others (that's kind of his go-to move when caught on something), or debt (his only plans so far would increase the debt even more). Voting for him despite these things is voting for a continuation of all the bad presidents before him who did the same things.

[Gaze73]

Hillary's chances are certainly near-zero...but why would you assume there's a 50% chance Trump would clear out the corruption? He's benefited from the corruption in his private life and shows the same signs of being corrupt; the only thing against it is his word, and if we can't take him at that (which it certainly doesn't appear like we can), the evidence seems to point pretty conclusively to him being likely to be just as corrupt.

Hillary winning doesn't mean democrats are in power forever...a party being in power depends on how many people support it, and until the support changes, the voting won't. Hillary being elected isn't likely to change her supporters' minds, and if they're willing to ignore reality to vote for her (as Trump supporters do), it's unlikely any bad events under her administration will cause them to be swayed away from voting for their team.

If you examine his rhetoric and body language, you can clearly see he's a good hearted guy. Hillary is the opposite.
Hillary win would ensure millions of illegals and muslims would flood the country, and those people along with an increased population of blacks will always vote for more handouts until the system finally collapses and you find yourself in what seems to be Africa.

[Triple_D_Bet]

yeah like I would have forgot something I reminded you of already. Don't even try, you're awful chatty know that the odds have changed drastically solely because bettors in a small market pounded a line. Win or lose you still were way off in your reasoning.


and here is a 1k points for you if you can name me one thing hillary is going to do by some objective measure?


and try not to tell me ideas where she uses tax dollars to pay for something. Tell me how letting in 500% more refugees who will not and do not mesh with their host countries is a good idea? Tell me how raising my taxes is a good idea? Tell me how raising the minimum wage is a good idea? Tell me how going after guns owned and bought by law abiding citizens is a good idea? Tell me one thing Chicago has done that is a good idea?

Shrug, I'm not overly concerned what the betting odds are; I'm pretty sure I got a decent line even giving you generous odds at the time, and it doesn't look like the outcome was ever in serious doubt.

Keep the 1k, I've made it clear I'm not a fan of Hillary. None of the things you listed above are good ideas (with the possible exception of refugees, which seems to be a tempest in a teapot and is probably just an idea without impact).

[Triple_D_Bet]

If you examine his rhetoric and body language, you can clearly see he's a good hearted guy. Hillary is the opposite.
Hillary win would ensure millions of illegals and muslims would flood the country, and those people along with an increased population of blacks will always vote for more handouts until the system finally collapses and you find yourself in what seems to be Africa.

I'm obviously not a Hillary supporter, there's no need to tell me how terrible she is

If you examine the words that come out of Trump's mouth, he's a liar who is unwilling to accept reality when it's in front of his face...that lack of awareness isn't a good trait in a president. It takes a lot of rationalization to believe his rhetoric is false but that it somehow conveys his trustworthiness.

[brooks85]

His tax plan isn't accompanied by and reduction in spending, and the reduced revenues are therefore directly adding to our debt. By all accounts I'm aware of, we're talking around $10 trillion over the next 10 years. Unless you have a credible source that shows otherwise, that's pretty obviously a non-effective plan.



Sure, many people stay out of politics because they believe there's only one corrupt way to proceed. Not all politicians lie; Johnson and Stein don't seem to be deliberately misleading anyone about anything or denying objective reality like Clinton and Trump are. If you keep voting for lying politicians like Clinton and Trump, you're perpetuating the problem.

Trump isn't a choice for anyone looking for competence (he hasn't demonstrated any politically, and has given us some good reasons to suspect he can't), or not-blaming-others (that's kind of his go-to move when caught on something), or debt (his only plans so far would increase the debt even more). Voting for him despite these things is voting for a continuation of all the bad presidents before him who did the same things.

good thing that isn't a stipulation of what you said or asked. It is a good thing and a hell of a lot better than what hillary is proposing.


you mean by an account which is complete nonsense.


also, this may be your first election cycle but you're not going to get votes by campaigning on cutting government spending and getting specific. Specific means you're talking about peoples income* which means votes.

*note I didn't say people's jobs because the government does not create jobs.

[ABEHONEST]

TRUMP kicking tail live in North Carolina!

Watch the great alfha-male tear the corrupted one's to bits. Youtube.com

[inZane]

If you examine his rhetoric and body language, you can clearly see he's a good hearted guy. Hillary is the opposite.
Hillary win would ensure millions of illegals and muslims would flood the country, and those people along with an increased population of blacks will always vote for more handouts until the system finally collapses and you find yourself in what seems to be Africa.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lying-rnc-speech-article-1.2719276

[brooks85]

Shrug, I'm not overly concerned what the betting odds are; I'm pretty sure I got a decent line even giving you generous odds at the time, and it doesn't look like the outcome was ever in serious doubt.

Keep the 1k, I've made it clear I'm not a fan of Hillary. None of the things you listed above are good ideas (with the possible exception of refugees, which seems to be a tempest in a teapot and is probably just an idea without impact).

yeah, you're not a fan.. you're just not going to do the only thing you can do to stop her and the further derailment of this country. Yep, "shrug" would be right.



You think it is a joke when trump says this is your last chance because of the supreme court nominees?

maybe you forgot the court's ruling on Obamacare which one even admitted he didn't want to make but made solely because it would affect millions on the plan?

years later... how's that plan doing now?



and you want to nominate some more jackasses to life terms? You need to think big picture.



oh yeah, and who is more likely to sell this country out to another country? How about the one with a record of doing it? Yeah, let's go ahead and pretend her and trump are equal in any relevant way. One has sold secrets to China and helped Russia secure uranium, they other used illegals workers. Yeah, lets mull that one over, real tough choice.

[DwightShrute]

His tax plan isn't accompanied by and reduction in spending, and the reduced revenues are therefore directly adding to our debt. By all accounts I'm aware of, we're talking around $10 trillion over the next 10 years. Unless you have a credible source that shows otherwise, that's pretty obviously a non-effective plan.



Sure, many people stay out of politics because they believe there's only one corrupt way to proceed. Not all politicians lie; Johnson and Stein don't seem to be deliberately misleading anyone about anything or denying objective reality like Clinton and Trump are. If you keep voting for lying politicians like Clinton and Trump, you're perpetuating the problem.

Trump isn't a choice for anyone looking for competence (he hasn't demonstrated any politically, and has given us some good reasons to suspect he can't), or not-blaming-others (that's kind of his go-to move when caught on something), or debt (his only plans so far would increase the debt even more). Voting for him despite these things is voting for a continuation of all the bad presidents before him who did the same things.

not true, they do lie. Those 2 you mentioned will never ever win the presidency. Trump is playing the game in order to have a chance at winning it. You either do take off the gloves or you definitely lose. He never designed this rigged system but is smart enough to understand what is necessary to have a shot at winning it. The primaries are a perfect example. You have to beat them at their own game.

Otherwise, its just a big fat waste of time and money like it is for Johnson and Stein and their supporters. I ain't saying its right, just calling it it like it is.

[Triple_D_Bet]

good thing that isn't a stipulation of what you said or asked. It is a good thing and a hell of a lot better than what hillary is proposing.


you mean by an account which is complete nonsense.


also, this may be your first election cycle but you're not going to get votes by campaigning on cutting government spending and getting specific. Specific means you're talking about peoples income* which means votes.

*note I didn't say people's jobs because the government does not create jobs.

Trumps tax plan adds a ton to the debt by all objective measures (several tax foundations who have weighed in on it); therefore, it is not effective. Unless you have some evidence to the contrary?

Not my first election, and I don't disagree that it's unpopular to campaign on specific cuts...but it's something that needs to happen, and a candidate who proposes no cuts but plans to reduce taxes or even keep them the same isn't one who can be taken seriously on debt.

I agree with what I believe you mean, that the government doesn't create more jobs or more appropriate jobs than the private sector would if that money was left in our hands to spend as we chose.

[brooks85]

Trumps tax plan adds a ton to the debt by all objective measures (several tax foundations who have weighed in on it); therefore, it is not effective. Unless you have some evidence to the contrary?

Not my first election, and I don't disagree that it's unpopular to campaign on specific cuts...but it's something that needs to happen, and a candidate who proposes no cuts but plans to reduce taxes or even keep them the same isn't one who can be taken seriously on debt.

I agree with what I believe you mean, that the government doesn't create more jobs or more appropriate jobs than the private sector would if that money was left in our hands to spend as we chose.

show me one

I've seen them all so if you have an objective one that would be great.



Also, if your goal is to cut government spending and you're not voting trump then you'll go to your death bed making a mistake. I would bet my life for the right reward you will NEVER see a candidate with any higher odds than trump of that happening again. So if you're not voting for him that is just a huge mistake.

[ABEHONEST]

Oops, that rumor about a Putin/Trump alliance is a fact! See the bottom right of the screen. Putin love's this man.

[DwightShrute]

[Triple_D_Bet]

yeah, you're not a fan.. you're just not going to do the only thing you can do to stop her and the further derailment of this country. Yep, "shrug" would be right.



You think it is a joke when trump says this is your last chance because of the supreme court nominees?

maybe you forgot the court's ruling on Obamacare which one even admitted he didn't want to make but made solely because it would affect millions on the plan?

years later... how's that plan doing now?



and you want to nominate some more jackasses to life terms? You need to think big picture.



oh yeah, and who is more likely to sell this country out to another country? How about the one with a record of doing it? Yeah, let's go ahead and pretend her and trump are equal in any relevant way. One has sold secrets to China and helped Russia secure uranium, they other used illegals workers. Yeah, lets mull that one over, real tough choice.

Voting for a good candidate is the only way to stop bad ones; voting for another bad candidate to stop a bad candidate doesn't change the outcome significantly

not true, they do lie. Those 2 you mentioned will never ever win the presidency. Trump is playing the game in order to have a chance at winning it. You either do take off the gloves or you definitely lose. He never designed this rigged system but is smart enough to understand what is necessary to have a shot at winning it. The primaries are a perfect example. You have to beat them at their own game.

Otherwise, its just a big fat waste of time and money like it is for Johnson and Stein and their supporters. I ain't saying its right, just calling it it like it is.

What lies are you referring to? Those two are unlikely to win because people prefer to go with the crowd and vote for a popular terrible candidate instead. Candidates who 'play the game' by painting themselves as incompetent and deceitful aren't good candidates, regardless of how popular they are.

Trump doesn't even play the game well; after winning over the base for the nomination, instead of pivoting and moderating as he needed to do to grab votes, he continued to alienate voters. Perhaps the only thing worse than a candidate who follows the inept/corrupt pattern to win is one who does it so poorly.

A waste of time and money is supporting a candidate like Trump or Clinton who is bad for the country; at least a vote for Johnson or Stein sends a measurable message that we're not willing to put up with bad candidates. A vote for Trump or Clinton is just another sheep bleating that they'll vote for terrible if there's an R or D in front of the name on the ballot.

[brooks85]

Voting for a good candidate is the only way to stop bad ones; voting for another bad candidate to stop a bad candidate doesn't change the outcome significantly



.

good thing that doesn't apply here

show me one

I've seen them all so if you have an objective one that would be great.



Also, if your goal is to cut government spending and you're not voting trump then you'll go to your death bed making a mistake. I would bet my life for the right reward you will NEVER see a candidate with any higher odds than trump of that happening again. So if you're not voting for him that is just a huge mistake.

better wake up before you make the biggest mistake of your life.



And we haven't even touched on the global warming scam. So don't talk about not changing the outcome significantly because that couldn't be further from truth.

[Triple_D_Bet]

show me one

I've seen them all so if you have an objective one that would be great.



Also, if your goal is to cut government spending and you're not voting trump then you'll go to your death bed making a mistake. I would bet my life for the right reward you will NEVER see a candidate with any higher odds than trump of that happening again. So if you're not voting for him that is just a huge mistake.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

There are two that show up after a few seconds on google. The same analyses on Clinton's plans show a small reduction in debt added, although in to current spending, this results in an almost unchanged accumulation of the debt.

Do you think they got it wrong? If so, why?

And no, Trump doesn't seem to have a chance at cutting government spending....there's simply no reason to believe he has any plans on it, as he has no experience doing so and generally isn't particularly trustworthy. You know who passes both of those tests though? Johnson

[DwightShrute]

Voting for a good candidate is the only way to stop bad ones; voting for another bad candidate to stop a bad candidate doesn't change the outcome significantly



What lies are you referring to? Those two are unlikely to win because people prefer to go with the crowd and vote for a popular terrible candidate instead. Candidates who 'play the game' by painting themselves as incompetent and deceitful aren't good candidates, regardless of how popular they are.

Trump doesn't even play the game well; after winning over the base for the nomination, instead of pivoting and moderating as he needed to do to grab votes, he continued to alienate voters. Perhaps the only thing worse than a candidate who follows the inept/corrupt pattern to win is one who does it so poorly.

A waste of time and money is supporting a candidate like Trump or Clinton who is bad for the country; at least a vote for Johnson or Stein sends a measurable message that we're not willing to put up with bad candidates. A vote for Trump or Clinton is just another sheep bleating that they'll vote for terrible if there's an R or D in front of the name on the ballot.

Voting for Stein or Johnson is like going to the track and betting on a 3 legged horse. Sure he's cute and probably a nice horsie, but its a waste of time and money because it ain't got a chance. Of course, your fellow bettors will appreciate your kind heart but everyone knows they are laughing inside. You could also use the write-in option and choose Pauly Shore or even Al Eppo I suppose.

[brooks85]

http://taxfoundation.org/article/det...ump-s-tax-plan

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

There are two that show up after a few seconds on google. The same analyses on Clinton's plans show a small reduction in debt added, although in to current spending, this results in an almost unchanged accumulation of the debt.

Do you think they got it wrong? If so, why?

And no, Trump doesn't seem to have a chance at cutting government spending....there's simply no reason to believe he has any plans on it, as he has no experience doing so and generally isn't particularly trustworthy. You know who passes both of those tests though? Johnson

like I said, show me one's that I haven't seen and are objective.

When you have Paul Krguman, the butt end of many of my jokes, even saying the taxfoundation is not reliable then you don't have anything relevant. It is like the NY Times, worthless information they put out.


The tax policy center?... lol look up who funds them. Oh and their director? Oh he just worked for the Clinton Adminstration.. no big deal there.

[brooks85]

http://taxfoundation.org/article/det...ump-s-tax-plan

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

There are two that show up after a few seconds on google. The same analyses on Clinton's plans show a small reduction in debt added, although in to current spending, this results in an almost unchanged accumulation of the debt.

Do you think they got it wrong? If so, why?

And no, Trump doesn't seem to have a chance at cutting government spending....there's simply no reason to believe he has any plans on it, as he has no experience doing so and generally isn't particularly trustworthy. You know who passes both of those tests though? Johnson

you truly are delusional if you believe any of that.


Who did the US government give a job to because of his cost cutting? Hint; It wasn't hillary or johnson.

[Jayvegas420]

Or write in Bernie

[gauchojake]

Seems tempting, but given Trump's inability to distinguish fantasy from reality, believing him on that seems like a foolish gamble. Besides, a president who continues to blow up the debt is gonna kill your wealth long term when those bills come due, either by higher taxes or inflation.

I already know what the Clinton's, Obama's, and the rest of the Democrats represent. I'll roll the dice on Trump all day every day. As far as debt goes I doubt Trump would even approach the levels of debt this past administration has racked up.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Voting for Stein or Johnson is like going to the track and betting on a 3 legged horse. Sure he's cute and probably a nice horsie, but its a waste of time and money because it ain't got a chance. Of course, your fellow bettors will appreciate your kind heart but everyone knows they are laughing inside. You could also use the write-in option and choose Pauly Shore or even Al Eppo I suppose.

I'm not betting on stein or johnson; from a gambling standpoint, the odds aren't good enough, and the money i'd win is nothing compared to the better life and country i'd win. However, I don't vote for someone just to be on the 'winning' side; I vote for the candidate who's best for the country, and neither of your horses is.

like I said, show me one's that I haven't seen and are objective.

When you have Paul Krguman, the butt end of many of my jokes, even saying the taxfoundation is not reliable then you don't have anything relevant. It is like the NY Times, worthless information they put out.


The tax policy center?... lol look up who funds them. Oh and their director? Oh he just worked for the Clinton Adminstration.. no big deal there.

It's easy to dismiss them as meaningless, but I assume you don't put much stock in Krugman either...so why specifically do you think they're bogus? Where did they get it wrong?

you truly are delusional if you believe any of that.


Who did the US government give a job to because of his cost cutting? Hint; It wasn't hillary or johnson.

Clinton also a few government jobs, and ones that are far more relevant to the office of president than anything trump's done; does that make her a better pick? Johnson balanced a budget and the voters appreciated it enough to send him back for another term; he's got the most credibility on tackling the deficit and debt, and it's not even close.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

I would bet my life

betpoints are more valuable

[Triple_D_Bet]

I already know what the Clinton's, Obama's, and the rest of the Democrats represent. I'll roll the dice on Trump all day every day. As far as debt goes I doubt Trump would even approach the levels of debt this past administration has racked up.

Shrug, what little admitted to would rack up as much debt as either Bush or Obama did. That's not taking a chance, it's supporting a guy who is telling you he'll make it worse and hoping that's one of the things he's lying about...doesn't seem like a good strategy.

[brooks85]

I'm not betting on stein or johnson; from a gambling standpoint, the odds aren't good enough, and the money i'd win is nothing compared to the better life and country i'd win. However, I don't vote for someone just to be on the 'winning' side; I vote for the candidate who's best for the country, and neither of your horses is.



It's easy to dismiss them as meaningless, but I assume you don't put much stock in Krugman either...so why specifically do you think they're bogus? Where did they get it wrong?




Clinton also a few government jobs, and ones that are far more relevant to the office of president than anything trump's done; does that make her a better pick? Johnson balanced a budget and the voters appreciated it enough to send him back for another term; he's got the most credibility on tackling the deficit and debt, and it's not even close.

because they are, it is called the mainstream media.



and one example would be?


find me one relevant "job" she has had that comes close to Trump's history of job creation and winning a government contract because he knows how to cut costs.

[DwightShrute]

betpoints are more valuable

I gotta admit, that was funny. Wrong, mean and totally inappropriate, but funny.