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  • CappinTerp
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-26-09
    • 9650

    #1
    Dodgers / cards
    Why is this line so high, to me, with the pitching match ups and teams,would have figured a pick'em at best. Anyone out there have an idea as to why??? Maeda -130 over Leake and Cards at Bush ????
  • Nateboogy
    SBR High Roller
    • 03-13-14
    • 167

    #2
    Leake sucks.
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    • HeeluvaGuy
      SBR MVP
      • 02-15-14
      • 3449

      #3
      I posted my thoughts on LT's thread. I'm probably gonna get trainwrecked here, but I just don't get it. The Dodgers' pen has pitched 12.2 innings in the last two days (not counting Norris' innings last night). Maeda hasn't had a lot of success getting deep into games (averaging less than 6 IP and has 8 starts where he went 5 or less innings). And when he gets deep, he has struggled. Here are a couple of splits:

      Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+
      1st PA in G as SP 19 171 154 12 28 6 0 3 0 0 13 47 3.62 0.182 0.257 0.279 0.537 43 2 3 0 1 0 0 0.238 70
      2nd PA in G as SP 19 171 158 12 31 3 0 5 0 0 12 48 4 0.196 0.257 0.31 0.567 49 3 1 0 0 2 1 0.248 79
      3rd PA in G as SP 17 94 86 14 29 5 1 3 0 1 7 17 2.43 0.337 0.394 0.523 0.917 45 2 1 0 0 1 0 0.394 188
      4th+ PA in G as SP 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 536
      Split G IP ER ERA PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+
      1st inning 19 19 6 2.84 76 67 7 13 4 0 1 1 0 6 19 3.17 0.194 0.276 0.299 0.575 20 1 2 0 1 0 0 0.25 82
      2nd inning 19 19 3 1.42 74 66 3 10 1 0 1 2 0 7 16 2.29 0.152 0.243 0.212 0.455 14 1 1 0 0 0 0 0.184 46
      3rd inning 19 19 8 3.79 75 71 8 16 3 0 3 0 0 4 22 5.5 0.225 0.267 0.394 0.661 28 1 0 0 0 1 0 0.283 107
      4th inning 19 19 1 0.47 71 66 1 10 0 0 1 1 0 5 25 5 0.152 0.211 0.197 0.408 13 1 0 0 0 1 1 0.225 30
      5th inning 18 16.1 12 6.61 71 62 13 17 2 1 3 3 1 8 13 1.63 0.274 0.366 0.484 0.85 30 2 1 0 0 1 0 0.304 167
      6th inning 14 11.1 5 3.97 50 47 5 15 3 0 2 0 0 2 13 6.5 0.319 0.36 0.511 0.871 24 0 1 0 0 0 0 0.406 173
      7th inning 7 4.1 4 8.31 20 20 2 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.4 0.4 0.45 0.85 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 169

      On the other side, Leake has 21 Ks and 0 BBs in his last two starts, and the Dodger regulars haven't had much success against him historically (except Turner). Add in the fact that the Cards are 6-2 since the break, while the Dodgers are 3-5, and I'm backing the Cards at +$.

      Best of luck!
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      • CappinTerp
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 11-26-09
        • 9650

        #4
        Originally posted by Nateboogy
        Leake sucks.
        Yea,not great...but coming around.Last 3 starts 3.32 ERA, start on 7/18: 11K's and no walks.Start on 7/10: 10 K's and no walks!! Cards got a little mo,winning 5 str. I got to dig deeper...there is a play here, but don't know if it is LAD or ST.LOU.?
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          these games just guesses

          pick out of hat


          their is no theory here
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          • CappinTerp
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 11-26-09
            • 9650

            #6
            Good post HeeluvaGuy!!!!!!!
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            • klemopixx
              SBR MVP
              • 10-02-14
              • 3809

              #7
              Cards batting .239 last 7 games but they're 6-1

              This line is telling me something. Maybe the Cards will put the "Sunday lineup" out a day early?
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              • Brock Landers
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 06-30-08
                • 45359

                #8
                Originally posted by Nateboogy
                Leake sucks.
                He does?

                Putting up #'s not seen since Bob Gibson, but he "sucks"
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                • jjgold
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-20-05
                  • 388179

                  #9
                  Originally posted by klemopixx
                  Cards batting .239 last 7 games but they're 6-1

                  This line is telling me something. Maybe the Cards will put the "Sunday lineup" out a day early?
                  its why stats mean nothing..losers look at stats and winners study only lines at 15 books
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                  • HeeluvaGuy
                    SBR MVP
                    • 02-15-14
                    • 3449

                    #10
                    Originally posted by CappinTerp
                    Good post HeeluvaGuy!!!!!!!
                    I like my losses to be well-researched.
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                    • HeeluvaGuy
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-15-14
                      • 3449

                      #11
                      Originally posted by klemopixx
                      Cards batting .239 last 7 games but they're 6-1

                      This line is telling me something. Maybe the Cards will put the "Sunday lineup" out a day early?
                      Theyre averaging 5 rpg over that span. The Cards are tied for second in the MLB in hits per run (1.74).
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                      • CappinTerp
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 11-26-09
                        • 9650

                        #12
                        Originally posted by klemopixx
                        Cards batting .239 last 7 games but they're 6-1

                        This line is telling me something. Maybe the Cards will put the "Sunday lineup" out a day early?
                        Yea, I know what you mean....but if this line stays around -125 to -130....Dodgers are the play!! No "free lunch" in Vegas,they know more then me....they are pricing this for a reason!........worth a small play.
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                        • CappinTerp
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-26-09
                          • 9650

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jjgold
                          its why stats mean nothing..losers look at stats and winners study only lines at 15 books
                          Right on JJ...stats are worthless, books run the #'s over and over,make ratio's,ect And all that is reflected in the price of the game.
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                          • RavensFan2k3
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-18-12
                            • 17378

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jjgold

                            its why stats mean nothing..losers look at stats and winners study only lines at 15 books
                            Originally posted by CappinTerp
                            Right on JJ...stats are worthless, books run the #'s over and over,make ratio's,ect And all that is reflected in the price of the game.
                            100% true
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                            • CappinTerp
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-26-09
                              • 9650

                              #15
                              Somehow the books thought that there was a high probability that Leake would have an " off night" !! But no big deal,there will be many other opportunities.
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                Like I said these games are so difficult to handicap you just try your best
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                                • HeeluvaGuy
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-15-14
                                  • 3449

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by CappinTerp
                                  Somehow the books thought that there was a high probability that Leake would have an " off night" !! But no big deal,there will be many other opportunities.
                                  Didnt help that the Cards couldn't score. Get 'em next time.
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                                  • habitualwinning
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-22-12
                                    • 1569

                                    #18
                                    Do you guys pay attention or just pick random games and fire on them? Anybody that follows the Cardinals this year knows it has been a disappointing year. No consistency and they've been flat out bad at Busch this season, aside from the last handful of games. They've been hovering in the 6-10 games under .500 mark at home all year up until the recent hot streak the past week or so. Leake is the Cards 5th starter. If Matheny needed to win 1 game he'd throw Wainwright, Martinez, Garcia or Wacha over Leake. Line made perfect sense. It opened around pk and the public moved it up into the -130 range. Cards should've lost last night, got a lucky extra innings win after a blown save by Jansen. Everybody was chasing plus banking on the Cards to revert back to losing at home, like they've done all season long.
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                                    • keel44
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-01-09
                                      • 3363

                                      #19
                                      The line is because of the poor home record for the Cards. Dodgers are one those over-valued teams like Boston and the Yankees also.

                                      If you look at the Cards lineup, there are a lot of young non-nationally hyped players.
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                                      • CappinTerp
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 11-26-09
                                        • 9650

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by keel44
                                        The line is because of the poor home record for the Cards. Dodgers are one those over-valued teams like Boston and the Yankees also.

                                        If you look at the Cards lineup, there are a lot of young non-nationally hyped players.
                                        Not the way I see it! That line was suspiciously high......and when lines are like that to the high or low side,it's telling me something.....just pissed I did not bet LAD -1, -115....i passed on this game......there will be others.................................. BOL
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