50% Of Americans Cannot Come Up With $400 Cash

[The Kraken]

I have bottles of oxy's

Probably the best investment I ever made, the price went through the roof after Hydros went sch2, docs just quit writing for everything, so supply down, demand up

Im just waiting for the emp, then they'll be $10/**

[pavyracer]

Lesson here is 100 bottles of oxy's is better than $400 in your pocket in an emergency.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Kraken living the dream selling oxy

[jjgold]

nothing like carrying 5k in your pocket mainly 20's and 50's

[thellama]

I didn't get polled, I had 90k to put down on a commercial property last year. As an employer, I can attest to this poll, tho. The stupid shit my employees spend their paychecks on blow my mind.

[The Kraken]

Lesson here is 100 bottles of oxy's is better than $400 in your pocket in an emergency.

Much, much, much more. The good thing is, supply will never flood the market again, the DEA is now fighting this battle where they can actually make a difference, they are limiting how many oxy's the manufacturers can make. If a certain pharmacy is ordering a standard deviation or more than normal from the manufacturer, they must be reported to the DEA who then goes to the pharmacy to find out which physician or physicians are prescribing the most, they then make visits to those physicians, they sit in on patient appointments, do pill counts, they audit physician records, they intimidate and threaten those docs. Basically, they're the local legal mafia doing the GOP's dirty work. It's quite disgusting to see how they work.

Anyways, for a guy like me that has access to them, I just save them and when the time comes, I'll cash in, just like if it were a bar of gold.

Kraken living the dream selling oxy

Not selling, just hoarding, and taking as prescribed by my physician

[Duckshit]

I have $4

Thats a dollar for each duffle bag you carry around.....lol

[pavyracer]

Much, much, much more. The good thing is, supply will never flood the market again, the DEA is now fighting this battle where they can actually make a difference, they are limiting how many oxy's the manufacturers can make. If a certain pharmacy is ordering a standard deviation or more than normal from the manufacturer, they must be reported to the DEA who then goes to the pharmacy to find out which physician or physicians are prescribing the most, they then make visits to those physicians, they sit in on patient appointments, do pill counts, they audit physician records, they intimidate and threaten those docs. Basically, they're the local legal mafia doing the GOP's dirty work. It's quite disgusting to see how they work.

Anyways, for a guy like me that has access to them, I just save them and when the time comes, I'll cash in, just like if it were a bar of gold.



Not selling, just hoarding, and taking as prescribed by my physician

Don't they expire?

[The Kraken]

Don't they expire?

Technically, yes

But technically, no

[The Kraken]

The main reason meds have an expiration date is because the FDA requires them to have one

So when they're undergoing clinical trials, manufacturers basically get to a point (say the one year mark) where it doesn't benefit them to continue trials beyond that to prove they're still as potent as they were the day they were dispensed. Interesting the expiration day is from the day they're dispensed, not made. It's because it's an arbitrary date.

If a manufacturer were to find a true expiration date, the meds would be in clinical trials for decades, and they would lose 100's of millions of dollars. It just doesn't make sense, so they put it at a year

[The Giant]

They lose their strength.

[brainfreeze]

Technically, yes

But technically, no

yes, they do... And they lose potency ...and from what I remember the new ones have time released coating for (probably) people like yourself (and how I was) who abuse.

[The Kraken]

They lose their strength.

Over what period of time?

If it were about them losing strength, the expiration date would be from date manufactured, not date dispensed as it is now. Some of those pills come in huge bottles of 1000 pills, and take nearly a year for the pharmacy to dispense the entire bottle.

[The Giant]

Over what period of time?

If it were about them losing strength, the expiration date would be from date manufactured, not date dispensed as it is now. Some of those pills come in huge bottles of 1000 pills, and take nearly a year for the pharmacy to dispense the entire bottle.

I've had a prescription for like 30 pills of Vicodin, or Norco, or whatever. And I'm not really a fan of taking them, but do when necessary. Anyway, you can tell a definite difference once you get past the expiration date.

They still might be relatively effective, but the buzz isn't as strong.

[brainfreeze]

I've had a prescription for like 30 pills of Vicodin, or Norco, or whatever. And I'm not really a fan of taking them, but do when necessary. Anyway, you can tell a definite difference once you get past the expiration date.

They still might be relatively effective, but the buzz isn't as strong.

Very true... As for someone getting a 1000 oxy's 80s ... He's pipe dreaming, never heard of anything like that, and I know guys who are living with bullets in their bodies, paralyzed ...they only get 60 ...

he is prob talking about weak sauce 20's or something ... Hold um down krak, they'll be worth a fortune lol

[The Kraken]

I've had a prescription for like 30 pills of Vicodin, or Norco, or whatever. And I'm not really a fan of taking them, but do when necessary. Anyway, you can tell a definite difference once you get past the expiration date.

They still might be relatively effective, but the buzz isn't as strong.

Maybe the pills weren't stored in ideal storage conditions.

Basically, the expiration date is on their because it's legally required to be on there.

It however does not imply anything in regards to potency.

The military has done a lot of research into how long pills retain at least 90% potency after expiration and found 82% of pills had at least 90% potency at 66 months after expiration, some went almost 15 years.

[The Kraken]

Very true... As for someone getting a 1000 oxy's 80s ... He's pipe dreaming, never heard of anything like that, and I know guys who are living with bullets in their bodies, paralyzed ...they only get 60 ...

he is prob talking about weak sauce 20's or something ... Hold um down krak, they'll be worth a fortune lol

You have no clue what you speak of, in regards to what my stock is or about the degradation of medication

[The Giant]

Maybe the pills weren't stored in ideal storage conditions.

Basically, the expiration date is on their because it's legally required to be on there.

It however does not imply anything in regards to potency.

The military has done a lot of research into how long pills retain at least 90% potency after expiration and found 82% of pills had at least 90% potency at 66 months after expiration, some went almost 15 years.

Interesting.

Where should the pills be stored?

[The Kraken]

Interesting.

Where should the pills be stored?

dark, dry, cool places.

In general, humidity is what degrades them the most.

I store all of mine in a gun safe safe (Bear Safe) and I have a dehumidifier in it mainly to protect the guns, but it's also an ideal spot to store the meds.

I've taken oxys years after expiration dates and found them to be as effective as a newer one.

On the flip side, I've taken oxys within days of picking them up from the pharmacy and they didn't seem to work well at all. Who knows why, so many variables to consider

[brainfreeze]

You have no clue what you speak of, in regards to what my stock is or about the degradation of medication

Yea ...no clue

whatever man, I don't care what your stock is, I'm just agreeing with giant, they do lose potency, I hustled everything under the sun dude, from ghb, to ketamine, from X to yo (coke) from dope to oxy's and everything in between... But whatever man, like I said I care less, but no one will be coming back for your bunk pills krak,

throw them in the trash get clean, go get yourself a bible guy

[The Kraken]

Yea ...no clue

whatever man, I don't care what your stock is, I'm just agreeing with giant, they do lose potency, I hustled everything under the sun dude, from ghb, to ketamine, from X to yo (coke) from dope to oxy's and everything in between... But whatever man, like I said I care less, but no one will be coming back for your bunk pills krak,

throw them in the trash get clean, go get yourself a bible guy

Once again, science disagrees with you

Many people think the expiration date correlates to the medications losing a certain amount of potency and that's simply false, it's also easily verifiable.

Of course if you're speaking of 100's of years, ya, the meds will lose potency.

Again, most potency is lost due to moisture, not time.

Let me guess, you also don't drink milk after the expiration date, or eat eggs after their expiration date?

[brainfreeze]

Once again, science disagrees with you

Many people think the expiration date correlates to the medications losing a certain amount of potency and that's simply false, it's also easily verifiable.

Of course if you're speaking of 100's of years, ya, the meds will lose potency.

Again, most potency is lost due to moisture, not time.

Let me guess, you also don't drink milk after the expiration date, or eat eggs after their expiration date?

You just said there is all types of other variables ..." Who knows why " ... Then sit here and tell me it's because of the room temp, as you said there's no telling why, big gamble to stock up on such a risky bet.

God can help you with your pain, ..leave it at the cross, get better krak

[The Kraken]

You just said there is all types of other variables ..." Who knows why " ... Then sit here and tell me it's because of the room temp, as you said there's no telling why, big gamble to stock up on such a risky bet..

Context clearly eluded you

I was speaking in context of why an oxy I picked up from a pharmacy just a few days before didn't work, not an oxy past it's expiration date.

Second, whether you were a candy man or not doesn't mean a thing. I've never known a drug dealer that could explain to me pharmacodynamics or pharmacokinetics. So you don't get to act like you know anything more than the street price by running drugs.

You've already made it abundantly clear you have little to no actual knowledge of medications

But at least your consistent brain...

What a perfect name you picked out

[brainfreeze]

Context clearly eluded you

I was speaking in context of why an oxy I picked up from a pharmacy just a few days before didn't work, not an oxy past it's expiration date.

Second, whether you were a candy man or not doesn't mean a thing. I've never known a drug dealer that could explain to me pharmacodynamics or pharmacokinetics. So you don't get to act like you know anything more than the street price by running drugs.

You've already made it abundantly clear you have little to no actual knowledge of medications

But at least your consistent brain...

What a perfect name you picked out

I'm not going to act like I know... Or that I want to find out, i just said that from experience, ALL prescribed pills lose their potency, therefore their effectiveness ... Why, how, and where... Whatever

you know it all there to I imagine (though you just said you have not a clue) ... Have a good night krak, no need to entertain this, I just don't understand why you pride yourself on pills, you sound smarter then this, interesting...

[The Kraken]

I'm not going to act like I know... Or that I want to find out, i just said that from experience, ALL prescribed pills lose their potency, therefore their effectiveness ... Why, how, and where... Whatever

you know it all there to I imagine (though you just said you have not a clue) ... Have a good night krak, no need to entertain this, I just don't understand why you pride yourself on pills, you sound smarter then this, interesting...

I pride myself on being able to google certain words like "do medications lose potency on their expiration date" and then coming back here and basically writing verbatim what I read

Your experiences with medications mean nothing, it's anecdotal and as I said earlier, there are too many factors to consider, including your metabolism, or maybe you had drugs that were cut with shit, or maybe you were on a bender and your mu receptors were already saturated with opiates so when you took that last pill, you got almost no effect,etc.... These are just a few that I can think of that would alter either the potency of the drug, or your perception of it....

But none of that matters

What matters is scientists with mass spectrometers have taken medications that were 180+ months past their expiration date, tested them and found that they were still at least 90% as potent as they were on the day they expired. That's what matters, not your experience.

Science is greater than you and you

It's probably close to being equal to The Giant

[brainfreeze]

I pride myself on being able to google certain wordslike "do medications lose potency on their expiration date" and then coming back here and basically writing verbatim what I read

Your experiences with medications mean nothing, it's anecdotal and as I said earlier, there are too many factors to consider, including your metabolism, or maybe you had drugs that were cut with shit, or maybe you were on a bender and your mu receptors were already saturated with opiates so when you took that last pill, you got almost no effect,etc.... These are just a few that I can think of that would alter either the potency of the drug, or your perception of it....

But none of that matters

What matters is scientists with mass spectrometers have taken medications that were 180+ months past their expiration date, tested them and found that they were still at least 90% as potent as they were on the day they expired. That's what matters, not your experience.

Science is greater than you and you

It's probably close to being equal to The Giant

This is like running in circles with you, there is receptors, hormones, mental, potency, immunity, physiologic, psychology, and addiction etc... That can be related to effectiveness along with light, dark, heat, cold, dry, or moisture ... Also, not everybody has the same chemistry ... And how can you say " a scientist did a test and said they atleast keep 90% of their potency " what test? What scientist ? What pill was used in said test? What company manufactured and distributed said pill?

you know what don't answer.... I don't care, and I mean that in sincerity ... I fall under God, science is a tool( you've bought into things that pass itself off as science (but ain't) , but science, real science isn't better than me, it's better then no one, it's a tool design to help understand things of this world and help us build on things effectively for the human race as a whole, but no....people want to be robots.. I'll pray for you kraken, no need to respond dude, I'm not going to insult you back, and I'm not going to stoop to your vain argument here,...

moving on..

[TheMoneyShot]

You have no clue what you speak of, in regards to what my stock is or about the degradation of medication

Interesting.

Where should the pills be stored?

This is some funny sh#$ right here.

Funny thing is... you can store just about anything once you take the oxygen away and seal a jar. Many videos on YouTube. It actually works. I heard you can store antibiotics for about 20 years if done properly.

[TheMoneyShot]

I store rice, oats, popcorn kernels... I buy heavy bulk and seal everything. Saves a sh#$ load of money.

All the stuff you need... would run you about $100.00 maybe less.

Pays for itself within months. Not kidding.

You can even buy humidity strips on Ebay... place them in each see through jar.... if the color changes on the strip... humidity is rising... it means you didn't seal the jar properly.

[Jayvegas420]

How long can you store honey for?

[The Kraken]

This is like running in circles with you, there is receptors, hormones, mental, potency, immunity, physiologic, psychology, and addiction etc... That can be related to effectiveness along with light, dark, heat, cold, dry, or moisture ... Also, not everybody has the same chemistry ... And how can you say " a scientist did a test and said they atleast keep 90% of their potency " what test? What scientist ? What pill was used in said test? What company manufactured and distributed said pill?

you know what don't answer.... I don't care, and I mean that in sincerity ... I fall under God, science is a tool( you've bought into things that pass itself off as science (but ain't) , but science, real science isn't better than me, it's better then no one, it's a tool design to help understand things of this world and help us build on things effectively for the human race as a whole, but no....people want to be robots.. I'll pray for you kraken, no need to respond dude, I'm not going to insult you back, and I'm not going to stoop to your vain argument here,...

moving on..

Unreal

If for one second you would set your elephant sized ego aside and stop feeling as if you have to be right, you might see the forest through the trees....

I'm not in here giving my opinion, I'm simply relaying other peoples works. Medications, if stored in the right environment, stay good LONG after the expiration date. That's it. I don't even know why we're arguing. If you don't agree with this, take it up with science, not me.

[TheMoneyShot]

How long can you store honey for?

Anything involving a liquid substance is very hard to store. I don't think it's recommended for 3-5+ year storage.

But for example...I purchased a 50 lb bag of popcorn kernels probably about 5-7 years ago. I didn't preserve them etc... about a year from the purchase date... I tried to make popcorn.... and some kernels wouldn't pop... I would assume they weren't fresh anymore?

I purchased the same 50lb bag... same manufacturer and stored all 50 lbs worth of kernels immediately after I purchased the bag. That was about 3-4 years ago... I probably have 5-7 lbs left. Just made popcorn the other day... and every kernel popped. Never had a bad kernel.

I truly believe taking the oxygen away preserves food... medicine for a long period of time.

You can even preserve pasta and almonds. etc.

That 50 lb bag of popcorn kernels was about $20.00

If I purchased 16 3lb bags... at $5.00 = $80.00

You just saved yourself $60.00

That $60.00 could purchase a lot of equipment to seal foods.

It's a no brainer. You just need space in your home to store everything.

I use a brake bleeder to suck out all the oxygen in the jars. You can pick one up for like.... $25.00 on Ebay.

[brainfreeze]

Unreal

If for one second you would set your elephant sized ego aside and stop feeling as if you have to be right, you might see the forest through the trees....

I'm not in here giving my opinion, I'm simply relaying other peoples works. Medications, if stored in the right environment, stay good LONG after the expiration date. That's it. I don't even know why we're arguing. If you don't agree with this, take it up with science, not me.

I hope they expire off the face of the earth, along with the corrupt doctors who prescribed when not necessary, (also just keeping people on the spoon with suboxone and methadone) and while we are there, I hope they expire all the drug mules carrying in dope by the tons... A buddy of mine is doing 8 years flat, for purse snatching... This guy wouldn't have harmed a fly before dope, and I feel like crap for introducing him to it.... It turns people to be something completely other then what they are ... I HATE DRUGS,

[The Kraken]

Anything involving a liquid substance is very hard to store. I don't think it's recommended for 3-5+ year storage.

But for example...I purchased a 50 lb bag of popcorn kernels probably about 5-7 years ago. I didn't preserve them etc... about a year from the purchase date... I tried to make popcorn.... and some kernels wouldn't pop... I would assume they weren't fresh anymore?

I purchased the same 50lb bag... same manufacturer and stored all 50 lbs worth of kernels immediately after I purchased the bag. That was about 3-4 years ago... I probably have 5-7 lbs left. Just made popcorn the other day... and every kernel popped. Never had a bad kernel.

I truly believe taking the oxygen away preserves food... medicine for a long period of time.

You can even preserve pasta and almonds. etc.

That 50 lb bag of popcorn kernels was about $20.00

If I purchased 16 3lb bags... at $5.00 = $80.00

You just saved yourself $60.00

That $60.00 could purchase a lot of equipment to seal foods.

It's a no brainer. You just need space in your home to store everything.

I use a brake bleeder to suck out all the oxygen in the jars. You can pick one up for like.... $25.00 on Ebay.

Oxygen fukks up everything, called redox reactions

It steals electrons from things and causes them to degrade, rust, expire, etc....

You're 100% correct

[The Kraken]

I hope they expire off the face of the earth, along with the corrupt doctors who prescribed when not necessary, (also just keeping people on the spoon with suboxone and methadone) and while we are there, I hope they expire all the drug mules carrying in dope by the tons... A buddy of mine is doing 8 years flat, for purse snatching... This guy wouldn't have harmed a fly before dope, and I feel like crap for introducing him to it.... It turns people to be something completely other then what they are ... I HATE DRUGS,

As do I....

However, you're wishing them to expire off the face of the earth at the ill fortune of others. Many people are dependent on opiates to live their lives, not because they're addicted but because they've suffered injuries that render them incapable of living a normal life without pain relief

Things like meth, coke, pcp, qualudes, ecstasy, heroin, etc... I agree with you, I'd be fine without them and they fukk up a lot of peoples lives. But they're here to stay.

[brainfreeze]

As do I....

However, you're wishing them to expire off the face of the earth at the ill fortune of others. Many people are dependent on opiates to live their lives, not because they're addicted but because they've suffered injuries that render them incapable of living a normal life without pain relief

Things like meth, coke, pcp, qualudes, ecstasy, heroin, etc... I agree with you, I'd be fine without them and they fukk up a lot of peoples lives. But they're here to stay.

it's a controversial subject for folks to be prescribed strong painkillers other than cancer patients and other relevant treatments.. There's other options and methods than taking these types of meds.

As for the herion... It's become an epidemic, it hurts my heart to see what's going on.... It's another one of obamas complete failures to keep the drugs out and protect our citizens and families. Trumps fixing to have his way with all this...believe me.