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i grew up swc fan and big texas fan but i am selfish. I hope they don't make playoff. That way university if cincinnati may get put in conferenceComment -
The committee hinted last week that OUs loss to Texas may keep them from passing ND who destroyed Texas. Plus there's no guarantee TCU and Okie State will finish the year ranked, so that 5-0 record may not be hold. A good chance Stanford, Navy, Pitt and Temple may all be in top 25 this week. I think if ND beats Stanford , they get in as they will have beaten the likely Pac 12 champ and also have that edge on OU.Comment -
They want to ding this team and that team, but who has Ohio State beaten? Will their signature win be Michigan? Penn State?
if Ohio state makes the playoffs without winning the big 10 the committee is a failureComment -
ND looked like hot trash vs BC. Iowa and mich st have 57th and 6th SOS respectively. There are no guarantees here. So much is still up for grabs. LY at halftime of the osu thrashing of wisky in the B1G title game, I posted (and was probably the first here to do it) that osu would jump tcu and baylor and go to the final 4. Many here incl LT Profits disagreed w me.
I know cfb. The final 4 is FAR from set.Comment -
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Underdogs @ Michigan, interestingComment -
They had a bad game. Correction: they played well except when they got inside the 5 yard line haha. They actually dominated BC to a pulp. A couple late TDs made the score look close.
But Michigan state looked like hot trash vs half of its teams this year and so have Oklahoma. You don't look like gang busters every week. If we are gonna penalize ND for looking like trash vs BC, then Michigan State should be penalized for looking like trash vs Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Nebraska and Michigan (who they shoulda lost to). Will be interesting how the committee views Okla and MSU's losses which were really, really bad.Comment -
I mean msu has 60th ranked SOSComment -
U can't just look at losses. U have to look at wins also. Quality good wins. Don't forget osu lost to avg vatech at hm LY by 14 pts. They still made the F4. don't just compare losses - look at wins alsoComment -
BIG difference, though, between Ohio State last year and OU and MSU's bad losses this year--OSU's loss to Va. Tech came in EARLY SEPTEMBER. Oklahoma's and Michigan State's came in October and November, respectively. The committee even admitted last year that they overlooked the loss because it was the second weekend of the year.
You have to look at losses when you're comparing three teams that are so close, especially when common opponents are involved. If Notre Dame had no quality wins, I'd look past them more, but assuming they were to win next week, the Stanford win and the Navy win would look really well on their resume and Pitt and Temple could be ranked wins as well when all is said and done. I hate that people rip the Navy win. Navy is a hell of a team this year, and I'm not just saying that because I went there. They are damned good. OU may only have one ranked win on their resume after this week (if TCU drops out of top-25 like I think they will).
That being said, Notre Dame is missing 11 starters next week with Prosise and Russell ruled out. They are not winning at Stanford. If they were, I'd go on record and say Brian Kelly is the college football coach that ever lived. I think they've done an amazing job so far winning with injuries, but it comes to a point when too many is too many. I actually think Stanford is going to pound them.Comment -
stanford lost to northwestern. How can you call that a quality win when iowa beat the same team 38-0 and mich also dominated them. osu can not play in rain for some reason and that is what brought them down. Worst part is qb over threw miller on sure td.Comment -
Great point I heard on radio regarding the Notre Dame-Oklahoma argument and why Navy-Houston and TCU-Baylor could dictate the final ranking between those two teams. Of course this is all assuming ND and Oklahoma both win next week (which I don't think is going to happen). But for the sake of argument...
IF Navy beats Houston and wins the AAC, they would likely finish in Top 10 and Stanford will still finish ranked in the top-20 if they win the Pac 12 title game in two weeks. If Baylor beats TCU next week, TCU falls out of the top-25 if they haven't already after this week. All of a sudden Oklahoma's "quality win" argument takes a big hit because Oklahoma State may not even end up in the top-25. And if the committee feels that Notre Dame and Oklahoma are very close (which I think we can all agree they are), then you look at that common opponent they share. I truly think if ND wins next week, they'll get in....but I don't think they're winning next week with the injuries they have piled up now.
Remember, the committee looks at WHERE a team is ranked at the end of the year, not where they are when they beat them. It's the final resume, not the in-season resume.Comment -
When considering wins and losses you also have to consider injuries. OU faced tcu who didn't have boykin but they lost Mayfield at halftime so the final score closer than the game was. Tcu with boykin was a force except at Okie st who pounder them.Comment -
When ND beat texas it was in south Bend and Zaire was qb. Texas was lost. Texas v OU a major rivalry game and texas made the change at qb. That loss not as bad as it looked that day.Comment -
This is why I've said for years we need an 8 team playoff. All 5 power conf champs plus 3 at large teams. Make a prerequisite that if u win your conf u must have 2 losses or fewer to be in the playoff. That way if usc v ucla winner win the pac 12 title gm, they couldn't get in playoff with those 3 and 4 losses they haveComment -
NDs been winning without half of their starters, including their starting qb and rb. I think they'd be the first to tell you that injuries should not be an excuse. Bottom line is the resumes will likely be very similar come the end of the year (if they were to both win next week) and the committee has said that in that case common opponents plays a huge factor.Comment -
I think stanford beats ND to ko them from playoff. If Mayfield plays for OU I think they beat Okie state. If he doesn't play then Okie st wins and we have a mess trying to figure out the 4th team. Fun stuffComment -
ND is the exception not the rule in terms of injuries. Most teams don't have a backup qb the caliber of their guy. Rb is more or less a plug in position. They gave up tons of yards to SC but turnovers and a coaching change did the Trojans in. Turnovers made nd v bc look close but that's an ugly win. They barely beat temple too who has fallen off the mapComment -
[QUOTE=homie1975;24856545]U can't just look at losses. U have to look at wins also. Quality good wins. Don't forget osu lost to avg vatech at hm LY by 14 pts. They still made the F4. don't just compare losses - look at wins also[/QUOT
Ohio state had an extra game and they blew out a good wisconsin team and tcu is not the brand name like ohio state. I think it's a low probability that oklahoma leapfrogs notre dame if both win out. Notre dame losing by two points on the road against the number one team and demolishing texas while oklahoma lost to them, these two facts will be difference makers in the end, just like conference championship was a difference maker for ohio state over tcu last year.Comment -
Whether they gave up or not is not the question. Saying Temple has fallen off the map when they are 9-2 and are ranked in the Top 25 (according to AP & Coaches) is a pretty weird statement. I understand they lost at USF, but lately, a lot of teams have been looking bad against USF. Even Navy and FSU had problems against USF.Comment
