the jays have no faith in price...

**l7ustin** · 10-13-15, 09:29 PM

I would rather see price vs hamels ace vs ace winner moves on

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-13-15, 09:31 PM

that would be the right move. price should've signed with the dodgers.

**CanuckG** · 10-13-15, 09:57 PM

Price has looked subpar vs Texas. Storman the better choice tomorrow.

**MickeyMan** · 10-13-15, 10:41 PM

Gibbons is an idiot but stroman is probably the better choice at this point in time. He might be like wacha was to the cards a couple years who if the jays go far.

**Goat Milk** · 10-13-15, 11:12 PM

Lot of pressure on the Jays. I think Texas might have a shot to win this.

**biggie12** · 10-13-15, 11:14 PM

gibbons is a moron... once jays win tomorrow gibbons is a genius... blah blah blah

**hans83** · 10-13-15, 11:19 PM

jays will lose with either price or stroman

**MickeyMan** · 10-13-15, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by biggie12

gibbons is a moron... once jays win tomorrow gibbons is a genius... blah blah blah

I don't think anyone has ever said gibbons and genius in the same sentence

**biggie12** · 10-13-15, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by MickeyMan

I don't think anyone has ever said gibbons and genius in the same sentence

you are right

however there is a first for everything

**Jeep_Life 42** · 10-13-15, 11:28 PM

It's the Jays game to lose tomorrow...

**Ratpack** · 10-14-15, 07:48 AM

if stroman gets lit up like a christmas tree gibbons will probably get fired making the biggest bonehead movie in history. Francesca made a great statement yesterday if he would of let price pitch they would of blamed price but now that stroman is pitching they aint gonna blame a 24 year old rookie they are gonna blame the manager for putting all the pressure on the 24 year kid instead of the cy young pitcher

**teaserpleaser** · 10-14-15, 09:16 AM

I don't consider price an ace anymore I mean please his fastball is is high 90s but its straight as an arrow and hittable as fukk hes not swing and miss very much guys look comfortable vs him. After game 1 and then getting bent over coming out of the pen had the nerve to say i'll do whatever the team needs for game 5 lolz how about some shutdown innings you fukk.

**jjgold** · 10-14-15, 09:20 AM

Price must be in the bullpen right??

**l7ustin** · 10-14-15, 10:24 AM

i havent figurd out the trend of this series.

Game 1- Road team won
Game 2- Road team won
Game 3-Road team won
Game 4-Road team won
Game 5- ????

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-14-15, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by teaserpleaser

I don't consider price an ace anymore I mean please his fastball is is high 90s but its straight as an arrow and hittable as fukk hes not swing and miss very much guys look comfortable vs him. After game 1 and then getting bent over coming out of the pen had the nerve to say i'll do whatever the team needs for game 5 lolz how about some shutdown innings you fukk.

So the guy was an ace all year and after just one game he's no longer an ace? It's like people saying Kershaw sucks in the playoffs. Well he's still your ace so you gotta go with him. Same goes for price. That's just my opinion.

**turtlejc** · 10-14-15, 12:32 PM

price pitched too much out of the bullpen two days ago

whats hard to understand?

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-14-15, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by turtlejc

price pitched too much out of the bullpen two days ago

whats hard to understand?

that was a dumb move. probably deliberate but a dumb move nonetheless.

**millopt** · 10-14-15, 12:41 PM

Price not available for game 5. Stroman was suppose to be the jays ace this season. I think he is the best choice and deserves the chance after all he has endured this year. Jays bats has comfidence going after the last 2 games now.

**l7ustin** · 10-14-15, 12:43 PM

The last two days were against shitty pitching the first two games were against good pitching

Their hitting did not change they faced weaker pitching in a more hitter friendly park

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-14-15, 12:51 PM

well the line isn't changing significantly so vegas doesn't seem to think stroman is a downgrade. we'll see what happens.

**millopt** · 10-14-15, 12:55 PM

I understand the caliber of pitching was different. But in all fairness the ump called a bad game that heavily favored texas in game 2. Gallardo owned jays batters first game. I honestly think Gallardo would have been a better choice. But then again he can be used out of the pen if need be.

**opie1988** · 10-14-15, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

well the line isn't changing significantly so vegas doesn't seem to think stroman is a downgrade. we'll see what happens.

Hamels went from +180 to +150.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-14-15, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Hamels went from +180 to +150.

i only count real books pal.

**supernelly007** · 10-14-15, 01:02 PM

Not sure if we were watching the same game there bud.It doesn't take much to notice the extra patience the jays batter's had during game 3 and 4 they went back to doing what they were doing the whole second half of the season. Game 1 and 2 was filled with a lot of anxiety and everyone swinging for the HR trying to be the hometown hero. It will be a hard fought ball game but for sure the way jays batter's approach Hamels will have a big impact on the result.

Originally posted by l7ustin

The last two days were against shitty pitching the first two games were against good pitching

Their hitting did not change they faced weaker pitching in a more hitter friendly park

**opie1988** · 10-14-15, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by supernelly007

Not sure if we were watching the same game there bud.It doesn't take much to notice the extra patience the jays batter's had during game 3 and 4 they went back to doing what they were doing the whole second half of the season. Game 1 and 2 was filled with a lot of anxiety and everyone swinging for the HR trying to be the hometown hero. It will be a hard fought ball game but for sure the way jays batter's approach Hamels will have a big impact on the result.

LOL. Yeah...the Jays just weren't really trying in games 1 & 2. Please. Those fukkin meatballs Holland served up would've been crushed by a little league team.

Playoff baseball is all about pitching. I don't give a fukk how good hitters are...if an ace pitcher has his very best stuff...ain't nobody hitting him. That's how it works.

**supernelly007** · 10-14-15, 01:08 PM

Everyone on Texas is focused on pitching T.O's core down and away and it looks like they have made that adjustment.

**opie1988** · 10-14-15, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by supernelly007

Everyone on Texas is focused on pitching T.O's core down and away and it looks like they have made that adjustment.

Unless you consider right across the middle of the plate as down and away, then not sure what the fukk you're talking about?

Holland would've had just as much success throwing the fukkin ball up there underhanded. Wasn't anything down and away about those pitches.

**supernelly007** · 10-14-15, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

LOL. Yeah...the Jays just weren't really trying in games 1 & 2. Please. Those fukkin meatballs Holland served up would've been crushed by a little league team.

Playoff baseball is all about pitching. I don't give a fukk how good hitters are...if an ace pitcher has his very best stuff...ain't nobody hitting him. That's how it works.

You don't have to "give a penetrate" First pitch at 4:07 ET lol. Good luck

**Goat Milk** · 10-14-15, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

LOL. Yeah...the Jays just weren't really trying in games 1 & 2. Please. Those fukkin meatballs Holland served up would've been crushed by a little league team.

Playoff baseball is all about pitching. I don't give a fukk how good hitters are...if an ace pitcher has his very best stuff...ain't nobody hitting him. That's how it works.

You still gotta hit man. All teams that win come up with clutch hits. A clutch single, a stolen base, another clutch single. Pitching is the most important part probably, but its not only about pitching. You gotta play defense, you gotta run bases, you gotta score... Even if you have an ace on the mound, you're going to have a hard time winning any big time playoff games scoring only 1 or 2 runs.

**supernelly007** · 10-14-15, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Unless you consider right across the middle of the plate as down and away, then not sure what the fukk you're talking about?

Holland would've had just as much success throwing the fukkin ball up there underhanded. Wasn't anything down and away about those pitches.

I was referring to game 1 and 2 because that's where the debate is. If the jays are supposed to be scared of anyone I would say Diekman as the reliever and if they have Gallardo for relief should Hammels sheet the bed ( and not sure if he's available)

**buriedbookie** · 10-14-15, 01:21 PM

Hamels is good pitcher but its hard to win twice in the same series on the road. Jays will have him figured out. Encarnacion, Donaldson all will go deep. Toronto scores early and often.

**opie1988** · 10-14-15, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by buriedbookie

Hamels is good pitcher but its hard to win twice in the same series on the road. Jays will have him figured out. Encarnacion, Donaldson all will go deep. Toronto scores early and often.

Yeah...most guys have teed off on Hamels, especially in the postseason.

Jesus.

**supernelly007** · 10-14-15, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by buriedbookie

Hamels is good pitcher but its hard to win twice in the same series on the road. Jays will have him figured out. Encarnacion, Donaldson all will go deep. Toronto scores early and often.

And to add the manner that Texas put up their runs and the defensive errors by the jays. No one is saying that they weren't trying! They just weren't playing bluejays baseball and I think that changes big today. I don't see Hammels lasting too long in this game

**Marquee** · 10-14-15, 02:18 PM

Look at all these Monday morning qbs. Managers are overrated man there is no genius out there. All they have to do is put out the best roster and try not to penetrate up. They dont impact games as much as fans believe.

Gibbons in the 2 years hes been a jay has almost always made the correct move. Doesnt over step his boundaries at all. This season he caught a lot of flack for a horrid bullpen before all. The trades..cause u know fans need somebody to blame.