ESPN now has a "cover alert"

[blackHIPPY]

Fam we made it

[manny24]

get em Blackie

[Da Manster!]

I was just about to post what hypocrisy from the total garbage network...two faced, double standard, holier than thou self-righteous pieces of shit that have always criticized gambling amongst players, coaches, point shaving scandals, etc. and now here they are doing a 360 and basically promoting it...christ, someone should drop an A-bomb on Bristol and wipe those fukkers off the face of the earth.

[TwoWays]

Fam we made it

Dont use Ebonics here

[jjgold]

[tony_come]

Espn got the bad numbers/lines

[CWD]

these announcers in the baylor game they did everything but go down and ask the coach about the spread. im sure they were told to bring it up it was pretty obvious the way they were going on about it.

[TheLock]

I seriously can't believe that I live in a country where I can blow my life savings on horses and lottery tickets but I can't bet on the Twins to cover the run line.

[TwoWays]

They did mention it beforehand needing a fg. Early guys got -34. Lay guys got -36 and loss. Lines matter these days more than ever.

oh, man was that breakaway run by Baylor in slow mo. Can't believe he got caught

[Da Manster!]

these announcers in the baylor game they did everything but go down and ask the coach about the spread. im sure they were told to bring it up it was pretty obvious the way they were going on about it.

amen, cwd...my point exactly...yes, it pisses me off...same fukkin hypocrites that crucified Pete Rose for betting on Baseball...I mean gambling is gambling, right?...UNRALE!...

[Da Manster!]

I seriously can't believe that I live in a country where I can blow my life savings on horses and lottery tickets but I can't bet on the Twins to cover the run line.

as former MLB pitcher Jose Lima used to say...."BELIEVE IT!!!"

[Eddy Munny]

amen, cwd...my point exactly...yes, it pisses me off...same fukkin hypocrites that crucified Pete Rose for betting on Baseball...I mean gambling is gambling, right?...UNRALE!...

C'mon man. Betting on baseball when you're at home, with a bowl of Cheetos in your lap, is a lot different than betting on baseball when you earn a living as a professional baseball player. It compromises the integrity of the game for obvious reasons. What exactly are you up in arms about?

[Da Manster!]

C'mon man. Betting on baseball when you're at home, with a bowl of Cheetos in your lap, is a lot different than betting on baseball when you earn a living as a professional baseball player. It compromises the integrity of the game for obvious reasons. What exactly are you up in arms about?

read post #3, my friend......I answered your question!.......speaking of gambling, you still owe me like 860 bet points!.......fork a couple over right now!...

[GUMMO77]

I think you mean ESPN did a 720.

[Eddy Munny]

No, you didn't answer my question. Well, technically you did... but your answer is irrational. Of course players and coaches involved in betting scandals are going to take flak for their actions. If you're an athlete, you just don't bet on a sport that you're actively involved in. It's that simple. If you want to bet on football, then don't sign a multi-million dollar contract to play football. Then, you can bet 'til you're blue in the face and nobody will give a damn. Otherwise, players openly betting games without consequence inevitably leads to scandal and corruption.

There's a reason why blackjack dealers are prohibited from gambling in the very casino that employs them. It creates a conflict of interest. Even if your intentions are neutral, it undermines the boundaries of the game set in place to promote fairness. Anything less is a slippery slope.

[Eddy Munny]

Also, I don't think ESPN is promoting it. They are just simply acknowledging that it does exist. I mean, not many people are watching a shitty Baylor vs. SMU game in the fourth quarter unless, let's face it, they've got some incentive to. For millions of sports fans, that incentive is a monetary wager. ESPN is not flying the banner of sports betting as much as they are just being less coy about the elephant in the room.

[MoneyLineDawg]

True but some announcers used to just laugh and say something like "Many people still watching are looking for the score here...lol lol"

The fact that they put up an actual graphic with the spread and whatever else...is different

[Mr KLC]

It would be great, since they are a sports channel, for them to fight for a cause like legalized gambling instead of guys kissing each other on live TV, or giving transgenders courage awards.

[Da Manster!]

No, you didn't answer my question. Well, technically you did... but your answer is irrational. Of course players and coaches involved in betting scandals are going to take flak for their actions. If you're an athlete, you just don't bet on a sport that you're actively involved in. It's that simple. If you want to bet on football, then don't sign a multi-million dollar contract to play football. Then, you can bet 'til you're blue in the face and nobody will give a damn. Otherwise, players openly betting games without consequence inevitably leads to scandal and corruption.

There's a reason why blackjack dealers are prohibited from gambling in the very casino that employs them. It creates a conflict of interest. Even if your intentions are neutral, it undermines the boundaries of the game set in place to promote fairness. Anything less is a slippery slope.

no, no Edward...my point went way over your head...I didn't say it was ok for players, athletes and coaches to gamble, I'm just saying that all of these years ESPN has frowned upon gambling and lambasted institutions, coaches, players, etc that have point shaved and gambled...I'm saying that all of these years ESPN has played the goodie two shoes card and condemned all aspects of gambling...and now, they do a 720 (as Gummo put it) and constantly talk about point spreads and covering the spread like there is absolutely nothing wrong with gambling!...fukkin two faced, hypocrites!...I'm sorry if you can't see where I'm coming from...

[Da Manster!]

It would be great, since they are a sports channel, for them to fight for a cause like legalized gambling instead of guys kissing each other on live TV, or giving transgenders courage awards.

I would agree 100% with this post KLC if only ESPN was completely serious and consistent on their stance of being pro-gambling...but don't be doing 30 for 30 specials talking about the horrors of gambling and then talk about point spreads, totals, etc. on every televised game...that's all I'm saying...take a stance and stick by it...either for it or against it!...

[Da Manster!]

no sooner do we post this stuff about ESPN, they just announce to stay tuned at halftime for Phil Steele's "Steeling money" segment for his picks!......Steele, as most of you may or may not know, is a college football "expert" and a tout...

[jjgold]

Bottom line it cannot even get passed to be legal anywhere but Nevada

[The Giant]

I don't like it, actually.

I've always preferred it being a hush-hush thing. Seems like promoting it can only end in more teams playing to the number, whether consciously or not.

[Eddy Munny]

Well, when you say they've "condemned all aspects of gambling" in the past, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Again, it's probably the scandalous side of sportsbetting that actually draws the most pointed criticism. Maybe they've related stories about a handful of ex-athletes' road to financial ruin, at the hands of gambling, but that's just a reporting of facts. Beer, good... drunk driving, bad. That type of thing.

I just think it's much ado about nothing, really. They've probably just decided to no longer turn a blind eye to an aspect of the game that generates untold numbers of viewership... much like fantasy football. In the past, they just ignored it because it's technically an illegal activity outside of Nevada. It's the laws against gambling that are hypocritical, not so much ESPN. Like I said, I believe the network is just finally pulling their head out of their ass and decided to throw a bone or two to the sprawling demographic of bettors who comprise a large volume of the lifeblood of the business.

[Ra77er]

Well then that makes it an easy choice if you are pro gambling, why would ESPN not move to Vegas? Image too corrupt for mainstream?

[tony_come]

Bad lines

[Da Manster!]

Well, when you say they've "condemned all aspects of gambling" in the past, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Again, it's probably the scandalous side of sportsbetting that actually draws the most pointed criticism. Maybe they've related stories about a handful of ex-athletes' road to financial ruin, at the hands of gambling, but that's just a reporting of facts. Beer, good... drunk driving, bad. That type of thing.

I just think it's much ado about nothing, really. They've probably just decided to no longer turn a blind eye to an aspect of the game that generates untold numbers of viewership... much like fantasy football. In the past, they just ignored it because it's technically an illegal activity outside of Nevada. It's the laws against gambling that are hypocritical, not so much ESPN. Like I said, I believe the network is just finally pulling their head out of their ass and decided to throw a bone or two to the sprawling demographic of bettors who comprise a large volume of the lifeblood of the business.

Agree with your post, 100%...but just like I told KLC, just as long as they consistent with their stance and don't turn around and blast some school or coach for gambling...

[SomeDayinBuffalo]

Ever year they are talking more and more about betting. We all know betting is getting bigger and bigger now. When it comes down to it it's ok to talk about in more openly.

[Eddy Munny]

I don't like it, actually.

I've always preferred it being a hush-hush thing. Seems like promoting it can only end in more teams playing to the number, whether consciously or not.

I agree. I'm not upset about it like Manster, but I'd just prefer ESPN continue to pretend it doesn't exist. Them alluding to the point spread or having Phil Steele segments does nothing for me. There are plenty of other outlets I can go to to get my gambling fix. I'd rather just ESPN keep it "pure."

It's like porn. Yeah, it exists. Yeah, we all watch it... but I wouldn't wanna watch it with my parents at their house.

[Ra77er]

I agree with Manster. Pick a stance and stop riding the fence...ESPN.

[Naz18]

no, no Edward...my point went way over your head...I didn't say it was ok for players, athletes and coaches to gamble, I'm just saying that all of these years ESPN has frowned upon gambling and lambasted institutions, coaches, players, etc that have point shaved and gambled...I'm saying that all of these years ESPN has played the goodie two shoes card and condemned all aspects of gambling...and now, they do a 720 (as Gummo put it) and constantly talk about point spreads and covering the spread like there is absolutely nothing wrong with gambling!...fukkin two faced, hypocrites!...I'm sorry if you can't see where I'm coming from...

So your saying when these institutions or players that have done something illegal and gambled or point shaved should of just remained hush hush about it?

[Da Manster!]

So your saying when these institutions or players that have done something illegal and gambled or point shaved should of just remained hush hush about it?

no, not at all...that is what ESPN's job is...to report it and admonish it....which is what they have done until recently...now they talk about it openly like it's ok, accepted, and like they are totally cool talking about points spreads during live telecasts...here again, I'm talking about the double standards and hypocrisy of it...almost like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Da Manster!]

I agree with Manster. Pick a stance and stop riding the fence...ESPN.

ra77er gets it...

[Eddy Munny]

no, not at all...that is what ESPN's job is...to report it and admonish it....which is what they have done until recently...now they talk about it openly like it's ok, accepted, and like they are totally cool talking about points spreads during live telecasts...here again, I'm talking about the double standards and hypocrisy of it...almost like the pot calling the kettle black.

Not to beat a dead horse, but you're missing a very key distinction here. When you or I place a bet, all we're jeopardizing is the status of our personal finances. These are the type of bets that are condoned by ESPN, and largely society in general.

On the other hand, if Joe Quarterback is taking sacks he shouldn't, or misfiring on open receivers because he has monetary incentive to ensure that the other team covers the spread... that is a cardinal sin, in that his motives are exclusively of self reward, to the detriment of his teammates, coaches, fans, and university.

How is ESPN being hypocritcal by showing indifference towards the former example, while admonishing the latter? They are two different animals.

[redking]

+1 to The Giant and Eddy Munny. Completely agree.