Joe Mauer- the most obvious case of steroid use ever?

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  • CMNoney
    SBR MVP
    • 02-07-11
    • 2129

    #36
    Originally posted by El Nino
    Yeah, right. Catcher's legs go.
    Hasn't played catcher since 2013 Chief.
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    • stevenash
      Moderator
      • 01-17-11
      • 65654

      #37
      Originally posted by CMNoney
      Do some research? I live in Minnesota and I am a Twins fan.

      I guarantee I know more about Mauer than you do.

      Biggest ego on the board. You think you know everything about everything. Absolutely hilarious.
      You know everything?
      OK hotshot, tell me about Mauer's injuries.

      Tell me who Brandon Warne is?

      Dude, I know people who work on the inside.
      Dude, I know people who work for ESPN Minnesota.

      Trust me, you do not know more than what I know.

      Just quit now before I bury you.
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      • CMNoney
        SBR MVP
        • 02-07-11
        • 2129

        #38
        Originally posted by stevenash
        You know everything?
        OK hotshot, tell me about Mauer's injuries.

        Tell me who Brandon Warne is?

        Dude, I know people who work on the inside.
        Dude, I know people who work for ESPN Minnesota.

        Trust me, you do not know more than what I know.

        Just quit now before I bury you.
        Branon Warne Maybe I should just ask Jeff Dubay. I know he knows him personally.

        Let's play Nash.
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        • CMNoney
          SBR MVP
          • 02-07-11
          • 2129

          #39
          And ESPN Minnesota isn't even the no.1 sports radio station here Nashy.

          So again, let's play.
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          • stevenash
            Moderator
            • 01-17-11
            • 65654

            #40
            Bring it asshole.
            Jeff is a Tierney wannabe.

            Let's play.

            p.s. you have no idea who I am, and what I know.
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388179

              #41
              50% chance He has done roids

              Some do not get caught of course

              Bottom line the kid is very average now and no all star type player
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              • stevenash
                Moderator
                • 01-17-11
                • 65654

                #42
                Originally posted by CMNoney
                Branon Warne Maybe I should just ask Jeff Dubay. I know he knows him personally.

                Let's play Nash.
                Puffy?
                Puffy is a three time loser.

                Keep talking, you have no idea who I am
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65654

                  #43
                  Come on dude.
                  Tell me something I don't know about your boy Dubay
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                  • posey
                    SBR MVP
                    • 05-23-14
                    • 1112

                    #44
                    Originally posted by stevenash
                    Bring it asshole.
                    Jeff is a Tierney wannabe.

                    Let's play.

                    p.s. you have no idea who I am, and what I know.
                    Holy crap. How arrogant and charmless can you act?
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                    • JMobile
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 08-21-10
                      • 19074

                      #45
                      I nominate this guy to be next.

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                      • TheMoneyShot
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 02-14-07
                        • 28672

                        #46
                        Originally posted by BigDofBA
                        I can almost guarantee Maurer didn't juice and I am pretty knowledgable on the topic.

                        If anything, roids would have aided in recovery so he would have came back quicker.

                        People don't know wtf they are talking about.

                        The same people that think people that juicers are going to drop dead are are probably sitting on their fat assea downing a Big Mac, coke, and French fries.

                        Brady Anderson
                        Javier Lopez
                        Brett Boone
                        Jason Giambi
                        Luis Gonzalez
                        Jason Giambi
                        Canseco
                        Pudge
                        McGwire
                        Clemens
                        Etc

                        Not Mauer morons.
                        Just wanted to clear up something. Steroids help you recover from injuries... but they also make you more susceptible on "other" future injuries. Steroids ruin tendons... once you are off of them.


                        Nasher... I'm not going to knock Mauer. No one can confirm he was on roids. Unfortunately during 1998-2008 everyone had hot years. In my eyes... when a batter is crushing the ball inner half, outer half.. lower half... any half... he's on something. When someone just can't hit anymore... well... first look at how old he is... (he might be old) or... he's done with enhancers.

                        Again... it's unfortunate that all of these MLB athletes during the steroid era will always be examined harshly. I look at size and mass... I look at lat muscles.... then I look at the neck muscles. If everything checks out... he's on roids. It's just the way it is. Only one guy in my eyes never juiced. Derek Jeter.
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                        • The Giant
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                          • 01-21-12
                          • 21480

                          #47
                          Impossible to know.

                          The guy could have been motivated by money. Most baseball players nowadays seem to drop off significantly once they get paid. Longtime baseball contracts are suicidal to teams.
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                          • El Nino
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                            • 05-03-12
                            • 18426

                            #48
                            Originally posted by CMNoney
                            Hasn't played catcher since 2013 Chief.
                            Yep. And that's because... Fill in the blank, guy.
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                            • MickeyMan
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 10-20-09
                              • 5091

                              #49
                              Stevenash I bet people can barely get a word in when conversing with you in real life.

                              Especially when ya are on the booze.
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                              • posey
                                SBR MVP
                                • 05-23-14
                                • 1112

                                #50
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65654

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by MickeyMan
                                  Stevenash I bet people can barely get a word in when conversing with you in real life.

                                  Especially when ya are on the booze.
                                  I'm not on the booze.
                                  I know Mauer, and people who know him.
                                  I don't carry his water, but his charcter gets assaintated often, when truth of the matter is he should not even being playing anymore because of injuries.

                                  He wasn't juicing in 2009
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                                  • opie1988
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 09-12-10
                                    • 23429

                                    #52
                                    No position takes more out of a guy than catcher.

                                    Amazing to me catchers can play as long as they do.
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65654

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by posey
                                      Holy crap. How arrogant and charmless can you act?
                                      Look. I'm sorry if I was over the top offensive, booze had nothing to do with it, and I apologize to the OP if I was offensive, but you can't make blanket statements like that, every case is different.
                                      Mauer has brain injuries, I'm not a doctor, I'm just an I/T geek by trade.
                                      I do freelance baseball work for MLB on the I/T side, that's how I know people in the industry.
                                      I'm sorry if I name dropped, and I'm sorry if I came across arrogant, I am not a know it all, I lost it when he mentioned Dubay, not that's a arrogant (IMO) classless act in real life.
                                      A lot of them are.
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                                      • stevenash
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 65654

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by opie1988
                                        No position takes more out of a guy than catcher.

                                        Amazing to me catchers can play as long as they do.
                                        I know, I caught.
                                        A batting practice fastball that snapped my left thumb back 15 years ago is the reason why my left thumb has 50 percent mobility.
                                        This is a touchy subject and maybe I should bow out.
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                                        • etothep
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-14-07
                                          • 1299

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Slanina
                                          Lets get the same stats on players that were proven to use. Like Canseco. Interested to see a side-by-side from proven to suspicious players.
                                          I'm assuming you just mean HR/AB since that's the only stat given for multiple players in this thread so far (noted seasons with under 350 ABs)

                                          Canseco:
                                          1985 - 19.2 (96 ABs)
                                          1986 - 18.2
                                          1987 - 20.3
                                          1988 - 14.5
                                          1989 - 13.4 (227 ABs)
                                          1990 - 13.0
                                          1991 - 13.0
                                          1992 - 16.9
                                          1993 - 23.1 (231 ABs)
                                          1994 - 13.8
                                          1995 - 16.5
                                          1996 - 12.9
                                          1997 - 16.9
                                          1998 - 12.7
                                          1999 - 12.6
                                          2000 - 18.5 (111 ABs)
                                          2001 - 16.0 (256 ABs)

                                          McGwire:
                                          1986 - 17.7 (53 ABs)
                                          1987 - 11.4
                                          1988 - 17.2
                                          1989 - 14.8
                                          1990 - 13.4
                                          1991 - 22.0
                                          1992 - 11.1
                                          1993 - 9.3 (84 ABs)
                                          1994 - 15.0 (135 ABs)
                                          1995 - 8.1 (317 ABs, age 31)
                                          1996 - 8.1
                                          1997 - 9.3
                                          1998 - 7.3 (70 HR season)
                                          1999 - 8.0 (65 HR season)
                                          2000 - 7.4 (236 ABs)
                                          2001 - 10.3 (299 ABs)

                                          Sosa:
                                          1989 - 45.8 (183 ABs)
                                          1990 - 35.5
                                          1991 - 31.6 (316 ABs)
                                          1992 - 32.8 (262 ABs)
                                          1993 - 18.1
                                          1994 - 17.0
                                          1995 - 15.7
                                          1996 - 12.5
                                          1997 - 17.8
                                          1998 - 9.7 (66 HR season)
                                          1999 - 9.9 (62 HR season)
                                          2000 - 12.1
                                          2001 - 9.0 (64 HR season)
                                          2002 - 11.3
                                          2003 - 12.9
                                          2004 - 13.7
                                          2005 - 27.1
                                          2006 - did not play
                                          2007 - 19.6

                                          Bonds:
                                          1986 - 25.8
                                          1987 - 22.0
                                          1988 - 22.4
                                          1989 - 30.5
                                          1990 - 15.7
                                          1991 - 20.4
                                          1992 - 13.9
                                          1993 - 11.7 (first season in SF)
                                          1994 - 10.6
                                          1995 - 15.3
                                          1996 - 12.3
                                          1997 - 13.3
                                          1998 - 14.9
                                          1999 - 10.4
                                          2000 - 9.8
                                          2001 - 6.5 (73 HR season, age 36)
                                          2002 - 8.8
                                          2003 - 8.7
                                          2004 - 8.3
                                          2005 - 8.4 (42 ABs)
                                          2006 - 14.1
                                          2007 - 12.1 (340 ABs)
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                                          • etothep
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-14-07
                                            • 1299

                                            #56
                                            For anyone interested, the MLB leader in AB/HR is generally somewhere in the 10-14 range with a few exceptions:
                                            - Anytime before 1919 (AB/HR was lower than 20 just once from 1871-1918)
                                            - Babe Ruth (lower than 10 AB/HR four times in the 20s...2nd best AB/HR mark in any of those years was Gehrig's 12.4 in 1927)
                                            - Hank Greenberg (9.6 in 1938, 2nd best was Jimmie Foxx with 11.3)
                                            - Mickey Mantle (9.5 in 1961)...first time ever 2 players finished with less than 10 ABs/HR (Maris had 9.7, Jim Gentile was next lowest at 10.6)
                                            - Hank Aaron (9.8 in 1973, 2nd best was Willie Stargell with 11.9)
                                            - Then every year from 1995-2004 (1998, 1999, 2001 & 2002 each saw 2 players with ABs/HR under 10...accounting for 80% of such seasons in MLB history)
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                                            • Ra77er
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 06-20-11
                                              • 10969

                                              #57
                                              An IT tech guy knows people in the "inside". Is Mauer your lover Steve? I mean give us the skinny pal, what happened since '09
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65654

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by Ra77er
                                                An IT tech guy knows people in the "inside". Is Mauer your lover Steve? I mean give us the skinny pal, what happened since '09
                                                Shots to the head.
                                                Bad back, bad knees.
                                                No, actually not gay on Mauer, I'm a Trout guy myself.
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                                                • stevenash
                                                  Moderator
                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                  • 65654

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by Ra77er
                                                  An IT tech guy knows people in the "inside". Is Mauer your lover Steve? I mean give us the skinny pal, what happened since '09
                                                  I'll sit here all day and take yours or anyone elses pot shots.
                                                  I don't know the players, I know a lot of the writers and media people.
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                                                  • Ra77er
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-20-11
                                                    • 10969

                                                    #60
                                                    Steve I m gonna be honest, I expected some kind of anger filled reply or something here but you flipped it all around. Nicely played but you have to appreciate CMN's perspective as a serious Twinkie fan, he may not know the medical access side but I can feel his pain as a fan of the game. You get frustrated at what is supposed to be your best hitter and shit. Anyway touche my ingga.
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                                                    • stevenash
                                                      Moderator
                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                      • 65654

                                                      #61
                                                      ^I flipped, I know.

                                                      I sent the OP a humble apology too.

                                                      Google Bob Sansaveer, Mauer should have taken a bat to his head, then dragged his ass to court.

                                                      Hey, I'm a nice guy that does come across arrogant on occasions, and yeah, I have tons of opinions.

                                                      By the way, if i'm drunk, I can not spell the word 'cat' if you spot me the 'c' and the 'a'

                                                      Peace.
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                                                      • CMNoney
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 02-07-11
                                                        • 2129

                                                        #62
                                                        All good Nash. I obviously don't know if Mauer took roids but it's beyond frustrating watching him play these days. Terry Ryan (the Twins GM) deserves a lot of blame because the move from catcher to 1B was supposed to clear up all these issues (his words, not mine). So far it's been an absolute disaster. The Twins are getting below league average production from Mauer at 1B for $23 mill a year. If he was putting up these numbers at catcher it wouldn't be as big of a deal but now that he is at first, his production from that spot is killing the Twins.
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                                                        • stealthyburrito
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-12-09
                                                          • 21562

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          I know, I caught.
                                                          Nasher make a vid showing us how to:

                                                          a) block a ball in the dirt
                                                          b) throw a runner out at second
                                                          c) snap throw to first

                                                          Thanks
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                                                          • Thor4140
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 02-09-08
                                                            • 22296

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                            It will be interesting in the 2020 decade when all steroid users of the last 20 years start having heart attacks and dying. Lots of funerals on the horizon.
                                                            Pavey been waiting for that in professional wrestling and im still waiting. A select few have died but most of them from overdoses. If Steroids are so bad Hulk Hogan should have been dead 15 years ago. Oh and throw Chase Utley on that list.
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                                                            • DrunkHorseplayer
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 05-15-10
                                                              • 7719

                                                              #65
                                                              The fact that only one year is out of line with the others tells me he's clean because anybody can have one good year. Nothing more obvious than Bonds, McGwire and Sosa.
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                                                              • stevenash
                                                                Moderator
                                                                • 01-17-11
                                                                • 65654

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by stealthyburrito
                                                                Nasher make a vid showing us how to:

                                                                a) block a ball in the dirt
                                                                b) throw a runner out at second
                                                                c) snap throw to first

                                                                Thanks
                                                                I was taught old school, snap throw from the bottom of the right ear lobe. No arm, all wrist, so....
                                                                snap wrist throw to second, release point is the bottom of the right ear lobe.

                                                                Blocking a pitch in the dirt, form a triangle with your arms in front of your crotch, get as close to pitch to where it'll be bounced.

                                                                Catching a knuckle ball, wait until it stops rolling against the backstop, pick it up.
                                                                (that old Bob Euker gag)
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                                                                • eidolon
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 01-02-08
                                                                  • 9531

                                                                  #67
                                                                  All this Mauer talk and his contract is making me sick knowing this is probably where the Giant's Posey is going to end up at.
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                                                                  • BIGDAY
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 02-17-10
                                                                    • 48245

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Mauer blows.
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                                                                    • El Nino
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 05-03-12
                                                                      • 18426

                                                                      #69
                                                                      For my $$$ it's Adrian Beltre in 2004.

                                                                      1998 19 LAD NL 77 214 195 18 42 9 0 7 22 3 1 14 37 .215 .278 .369 .648 73 72 4 3 2 0 0 5/6
                                                                      1999 20 LAD NL 152 614 538 84 148 27 5 15 67 18 7 61 105 .275 .352 .428 .780 102 230 4 6 4 5 12 *5
                                                                      2000 21 LAD NL 138 575 510 71 148 30 2 20 85 12 5 56 80 .290 .360 .475 .835 114 242 13 2 3 4 2 *5/6
                                                                      2001 22 LAD NL 126 515 475 59 126 22 4 13 60 13 4 28 82 .265 .310 .411 .720 91 195 9 5 2 5 1 *5/6
                                                                      2002 23 LAD NL 159 635 587 70 151 26 5 21 75 7 5 37 96 .257 .303 .426 .729 97 250 17 4 1 6 4 *5
                                                                      2003 24 LAD NL 158 608 559 50 134 30 2 23 80 2 2 37 103 .240 .290 .424 .714 88 237 13 5 1 6 4 *5/6
                                                                      2004 25 LAD NL 156 657 598 104 200 32 0 48 121 7 2 53 87 .334 .388 .629 1.017 163 376 15 2 0 4 9 *5/6 MVP-2,SS
                                                                      2005 26 SEA AL 156 650 603 69 154 36 1 19 87 3 1 38 108 .255 .303 .413 .716 93 249 15 5 0 4 6 *5/D
                                                                      2006 27 SEA AL 156 681 620 88 166 39 4 25 89 11 5 47 118 .268 .328 .465 .792 105 288 15 10 1 3 4 *5/4D
                                                                      2007 28 SEA AL 149 639 595 87 164 41 2 26 99 14 2 38 104 .276 .319 .482 .802 112 287 18 2 0 4 2 *5/D GG
                                                                      2008 29 SEA AL 143 612 556 74 148 29 1 25 77 8 2 50 90 .266 .327 .457 .784 109 254 11 2 0 4 10 *5/D GG
                                                                      2009 30 SEA AL 111 477 449 54 119 27 0 8 44 13 2 19 74 .265 .304 .379 .683 83 170 19 7 0 2 1 *5/D
                                                                      2010 31 BOS AL 154 641 589 84 189 49 2 28 102 2 1 40 82 .321 .365 .553 .919 141 326 25 5 0 7 10 *5 AS,MVP-9,SS
                                                                      2011 32 TEX AL 124 525 487 82 144 33 0 32 105 1 1 25 53 .296 .331 .561 .892 131 273 13 5 0 8 0 *5D AS,MVP-15,GG,SS
                                                                      2012 33 TEX AL 156 654 604 95 194 33 2 36 102 1 0 36 82 .321 .359 .561 .921 139 339 8 5 0 9 8 *5D AS,MVP-3,GG
                                                                      2013 34 TEX AL 161 690 631 88 199 32 0 30 92 1 0 50 78 .315 .371 .509 .880 138 321 17 7 0 2 12 *5D MVP-7
                                                                      2014 35 TEX AL 148 614 549 79 178 33 1 19 77 1 1 57 74 .324 .388 .492 .879 147 270 15 3 0 5 13 *5D AS,MVP-15,SS
                                                                      2015 36 TEX AL 17 73 67 9 12 2 1 2 2 1 0 5 5 .179 .247 .328 .575 61 22 2 1 0 0 1 *5/D
                                                                      18 Yrs 2441 10074 9212 1265 2616 530 32 397 1386 118 41 691 1458 .284 .337 .478 .814 115 4401 233 79 14 78 99
                                                                      162 Game Avg. 162 669 611 84 174 35 2 26 92 8 3 46 97 .284 .337 .478 .814 115 292 15 5 1 5 7
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                                                                      • gryfyn1
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 03-30-10
                                                                        • 3285

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Wade Boggs, Confirmed Steriod user


                                                                        Year - AB/HR
                                                                        82 - 67.6
                                                                        83 - 116.4
                                                                        84 - 104.4
                                                                        85 - 81.6
                                                                        86 - 72.5
                                                                        87 - 23.0
                                                                        88 - 116.8
                                                                        89 - 207.0
                                                                        90 - 103.2
                                                                        91 - 68.3
                                                                        92 - 73.4
                                                                        93 - 280.0
                                                                        94 -33.3
                                                                        95 - 92.0
                                                                        96 - 250.5
                                                                        97 - 88.3
                                                                        98 - 62.1
                                                                        99 - 146.0
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