Am I wrong? I thought I had this handicaping thing understood.

[thundercats]

I've have been into live-in game wagering lately. Yesterday I did some in-game wagering for hockey and liked it.

Did some today for soccer, lost all my wagers.

So I thought I understood the handicapping, but I guess not....Here is what what went down:

I would place a live-in game wager on a hockey game where it was Team A vs Team B. Score would be 2:1

The handicap would be +2. and Team A would score so it would now be 3:1 and that would be the end of the game.

Now I thought that since I had +2, I could still win since they have lost by 2. I placed wagers on Saturday under this impression/mentality and did alright. Then I did the same thing today, but lost all wagers.

Am I wrong or am I right?

[jjgold]

soccer is different than hockey
so many different fukkin rules with live wagering

some do it asian style where +2 is at the time of the bet and not the score at the time of the bet

[thundercats]

What about hockey though? I did a live in-game wager for the Edmonton Oilers vs New York Rangers a little bit ago.

I put a wager on +2 for New York when it was 2:1

Ended up being 3:1 final

So shouldn't my +2 have won since I came in when it was already 1?

[jjgold]

It might've been up push??

[ParlayininHTown]

What about hockey though? I did a live in-game wager for the Edmonton Oilers vs New York Rangers a little bit ago.

I put a wager on +2 for New York when it was 2:1

Ended up being 3:1 final

So shouldn't my +2 have won since I came in when it was already 1?

When you bet a team +2 live, that's +2 on the final result, not +2 on the current score when you place the bet.

You had NYR +2 for the game, so a 3-1 loss for NYR is a push grade for your bet.

[thundercats]

When you bet a team +2 live, that's +2 on the final result, not +2 on the current score when you place the bet.

You had NYR +2 for the game, so a 3-1 loss for NYR is a push grade for your bet.

I think I understand that, but if you can explain it more I would really appreciate it.

Are you saying that the +2 means that if I add +2 to my teams final score. If it is more than the other team, than I would win?

I was under the impression that the +2 was a spread.....so I had 2 points for my team to lose by....instead it seems that your saying that my team needs to win by +2 (of my teams final score)

Is that the correct thinking?

[bosigga]

Spread is same concept whether live or made pre-game. You take the final result of the game and subtract or add the points to the side you took. If the team you took is a winner after this then your bet cashes.

If you take favorite -2, they need to win by more than 2 goals. If they win by 2 bet gets cancelled.

If you take underdog +2, losing by two would cancel your bet. Losing by one would win your bet.

[thundercats]

Spread is same concept whether live or made pre-game. You take the final result of the game and subtract or add the points to the side you took. If the team you took is a winner after this then your bet cashes.

If you take favorite -2, they need to win by more than 2 goals. If they win by 2 bet gets cancelled.

If you take underdog +2, losing by two would cancel your bet. Losing by one would win your bet.

Thats what I thought...but heres what I'm thrown off by....

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I win.

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then my bet loses, why is that?

[LT Profits]

Thats what I thought...but heres what I'm thrown off by....

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I win.

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then my bet loses, why is that?

No, those are both pushes.

[bosigga]

Thats what I thought...but heres what I'm thrown off by....

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I win.

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then my bet loses, why is that?

Are you making bets for the quarter/period/half? Or for game?

You'd have to post the tickets, cause both of those should be cancelled

[thundercats]

No, those are both pushes.

Ok so going off that statement.....(in this case, for hockey)

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I would lose

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then I would lose.

BUT

If I do a +1, and my team ties. Then I win?

If I do a +2, and my team loses by 1. Then I win?

I think that is the correct understanding?

EDIT: to add on to this....again for live betting and specifically hockey.

If I do a -1 and my team wins. Is this a Push or a Win?

If I do a -2 and my team wins by 1. This is a win?

For these examples. If it is a 2:1, rather than bet +1 and hope that my team ties or wins. It would bet better to -1, and hope that the score remains the same or they score again. Yes or No?

in addition to that. If it is 2:1, and I do a -1, and the game ends with the same score of 2:1, then that would be a win or a push?

[tb1984]

Ok so going off that statement.....(in this case, for hockey)

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I would lose

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then I would lose.

BUT

If I do a +1, and my team ties. Then I win?

If I do a +2, and my team loses by 1. Then I win?

I think that is the correct understanding?

EDIT: to add on to this....again for live betting and specifically hockey.

If I do a -1 and my team wins. Is this a Push or a Win?

If I do a -2 and my team wins by 1. This is a win?

For these examples. If it is a 2:1, rather than bet +1 and hope that my team ties or wins. It would bet better to -1, and hope that the score remains the same or they score again. Yes or No?

in addition to that. If it is 2:1, and I do a -1, and the game ends with the same score of 2:1, then that would be a win or a push?

Post your tickets.

How long have you been betting?

[LT Profits]

Ok so going off that statement.....(in this case, for hockey)

If I do a +1 and my team loses by 1 point. Then I would lose. NO, you would PUSH (Tie, Cancel)

But if I do a +2 and my team loses by 2 points. Then I would lose. NO, you would PUSH (Tie, Cancel)

BUT

If I do a +1, and my team ties. Then I win? YES

If I do a +2, and my team loses by 1. Then I win? YES

I think that is the correct understanding?

EDIT: to add on to this....again for live betting and specifically hockey.

If I do a -1 and my team wins. Is this a Push or a Win? If win by more than 1, WIN. If win by exactly 1, PUSH

If I do a -2 and my team wins by 1. This is a win? NO, LOSS

For these examples. If it is a 2:1, rather than bet +1 and hope that my team ties or wins. It would bet better to -1, and hope that the score remains the same or they score again. Yes or No? Question is unclear. If you are choosing between -1 on favorite or +1 on dog assuming the team winning 2:1 is the favorite, then it does not matter because either choice is a PUSH.

in addition to that. If it is 2:1, and I do a -1, and the game ends with the same score of 2:1, then that would be a win or a push?
Already answered, PUSH

[LT Profits]

How long have you been betting?

He will be betting dimes in no time!

[Smoke]

Welcome to the LT School of Betting

Catter pull up a chair and take a seat

[sneakerhead]

Stay away from live betting simple

[Book Crook]

I don't think he understands what a push is...

A push is like LT said a tie or cancel. It would be as if you didn't make the wager at all. If in a parlay or teaser (depending on the rules) it may or may not ruin your parlay/teaser.
example is in my book I have the option of doing a 7 pt. teaser where a push = tie, cancel (doesn't count against me) OR I have the option of a 10 pt. teaser where if there is a push it counts as a loss.

And yes with soccer sometimes the rules can be tricky. sometimes the wager is for 90'. so, if the game goes in to OT or shootout (like in a playoff game etc.) your wager would only be good for the score at the end of 90+added time. I lost a game like this not too long ago. My guy refunded because it was a shady loss. I wagerd on FT and the FT score (after the OT) was a winner for me. they graded it as a loss and said it was because of the time thing.

So, if you are new to betting I would suggest that you pay close attention to the rules of your book and the grading on all of your wagers!

[Book Crook]

Stay away from live betting simple

I've gotten myself out of a few pickles with live betting.

[sneakerhead]

I've gotten myself out of a few pickles with live betting.

you get yourself in more trouble than you get yourself out of Imo

[Maniac]

One other thing to watch for is the 3-way Handicaps where there is a Tie option as well, which is something that is common in European Ice Hockey, and something that is starting to be offered with some firms for NHL as well. Below is an example on tonight's New Jersey/Boston NHL match, and it is the "Handicap" market in the middle we are looking at (lines from Bet at Home).



In this the (0:1) next to new jersey signifies that this line is effectively New Jersey +1, and a clearer way of looking at the line is as follows:

New Jersey +1 @ 1.76
Boston -1 @ 2.38
Tie -1 @ 6.08

These are usually for 60 mins only in regards to Ice Hockey, and it is sometimes known as a "No Push Handicap" and:

If you were to bet on New Jersey +1 in this scenario then if New Jersey wins or if the game is Tied at 60mins then you bet wins.

If you bet Boston -1 here then you need Boston to win by more than 1 goal for your bet to win, and is effectively a -1.5 bet.

If you were to bet the Tie -1 here, then this bet wins if Boston win by Exactly 1 goal at 60mins.

In your above bet it sounds like you bet on NY Rangers +2 and this was likely a 3-way handicap so would have been Edmonton -2, Tie -2, NY Rangers +2.

In this case the Tie option refers to Edmonton (the team that is the favourite on the Hcap) winning by exactly 2 goals - which is what happened and therefore the "Tie -2" is settled as a winner.

[Russian Rocket]

I'll probably be the first one to ask this question, but WHY would you place your money, that I'm sure you worked very hard for, on something that you not fully understand how to do?

Do as little guessing as possible when it comes to wagering and it will save you a ton of money on the long run.

good luck

[Booya711]

Stay away from live betting simple

I agree with sneaker here

[Smoke]

Sneaker is wong

[jjgold]

Good point Sasha

Live betting is a gold mine for many but you need to be advanced and also watch games or run math models

[Slanina]

I feel dumber by reading this. No offense but it's pretty simple to understand that live bets are based off current score. Hence why it's called "LIVE" betting. Anyways, good luck with the world of betting. We all need it.

[LT Profits]

I feel dumber by reading this. No offense but it's pretty simple to understand that live bets are based off current score. Hence why it's called "LIVE" betting. Anyways, good luck with the world of betting. We all need it.

Yes and no. The LINE is obviously set based on current score, but the default for the bet itself is the FINAL score unless the bet has specific wording such as "rest of game only", "regulation time only", yada yada yada.

[Russian Rocket]

Yes and no. The LINE is obviously set based on current score, but the default for the bet itself is the FINAL score unless the bet has specific wording such as "rest of game only", "regulation time only", yada yada yada.

[rockykcor]

Stay away from live betting simple

What are the reasons to stay away from it? I just wanted to try it out for the fist time.

[jake3]

dude it is money not plastic chips; get your concepts right. So many simple definition for live betting there and you can get help you need
and Tks to Maniac

[sneakerhead]

What are the reasons to stay away from it? I just wanted to try it out for the fist time.

Most gamblers aren't disciplined enough and will end up losing much more quickly live betting