Why are the Knicks running the Triangle Offense with this group?

[Bluehorseshoe]

This from J.R. Smith...

HARTFORD, Conn. -- After watching Wednesday's game against the Boston Celtics, one might wonder how long it will take the Knicks to get a hang of the triangle offense.

According to J.R. Smith, it might not be until January.

"It's going to take a few months," Smith said after the Knicks' 20-point loss to Boston in their preseason debut. "Over the course of the year, understanding where everybody is going to be, [understanding that] 'some like it here, [some] like it like that.' It's going to take awhile."

[jjgold]

The Knicks are also Rans like they always are

[Pauulzcappin]

a lot of dumb fukking players on that roster.

[pavyracer]

Square offense suits better for Knicks.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Square offense suits better for Knicks.

Just give the ball to Carmelo every time down and pray.

[pavyracer]

Just give the ball to Carmelo every time down and pray.

Yeap. Four players form a square outside the box and Carmelo drives in.

[jjgold]

Good one paver and you're probably right

[Bluehorseshoe]

[If nothing else, the New York Knicks will be a little more Zen under Phil Jackson.

Jackson revealed Sunday that he has hired someone to put the team through "mindfulness training" this season.


"This is one of the things that they have to go through if they're going to be part of the Knick organization," Jackson said at the New Yorker Festival in Manhattan.

Jackson's affinity for Eastern philosophy is well-known. He earned the moniker "Zen Master" by instilling the principles of mindfulness, visualization and other techniques associated with Eastern religions in his teams in Chicago and Los Angeles.

He has already begun this process with the Knicks. An instructor has been teaching the team about mindfulness, a form of meditation that stresses the importance of staying in the moment.

"There's a mindfulness training program that's very logical and very calm, quiet, and we've started the process with this team, and [first-year head coach] Derek [Fisher is] all for it. He's a proponent of it," Jackson said Sunday. "And yet I think that it's kind of what I am inserting in here as part of what I think has to happen because I know what effect it [has]. I think it's very difficult sometimes for a coach to do this because it's so anti what we are as athletes.

"We're about action; we're about this intense activity that we've got to get after. And this mindfulness is about sitting still and being quiet and controlling your breath and allowing you to be in the moment, and yet it's so vital for a team to have this skill or players to have this skill. To be able to divorce themselves from what just happened that's inherent to them -- a referee's bad call, or an issue that goes on individually or against your opponent. You've got to be able to come back to your center and center yourself again."

Jackson hopes that this will help the Knicks on the court. The team finished last season with just 37 wins and missed the playoffs for the first time in four seasons. Jackson became team president in March, agreeing to a five-year, $60 million contract.

He overhauled the roster in his first offseason as president, replacing coach Mike Woodson with Fisher and trading starters Raymond Felton and Tyson Chandler to Dallas for a package that included point guard Jose Calderon and center Sam Dalembert.

He also re-signed Carmelo Anthony to a five-year, $124 million contract.

It will be interesting to see how Anthony and his teammates take to mindfulness training.

"You have to be in the moment. Being in the moment requires a certain sense of presence," Jackson said. "It will help them be focused in their job."

As a coach, Jackson famously handed out various books that he saw as being tailored to his players in Chicago and Los Angeles, but he said he isn't sure if he will do that with the Knicks.

"I'll probably ask Derek if he wants to do that," Jackson said.

[d2bets]

Knicks will finish last place in division.

[jjgold]

The Nets will definitely outclass the knicks this year

[BennyBigNuts]

The Nets will definitely outclass the knicks this year

Knicks will finish last place in division.

Both awful claims.
Knicks will win 42-45 games this year barring any massive injuries.
Really disappointed they re-signed Melo but the bottom line is Amare will shine in this system and the Knicks will be a solid slightly above .500 squad.
Nets are garbage either way. Just another year older for a team of has-beens.

[d2bets]

Both awful claims.
Knicks will win 42-45 games this year barring any massive injuries.
Really disappointed they re-signed Melo but the bottom line is Amare will shine in this system and the Knicks will be a solid slightly above .500 squad.
Nets are garbage either way. Just another year older for a team of has-beens.

You can have your opinion, and I totally disagree. Knicks will be bad, even in the weakest division in the NBA.

[lakerboy]

Bottom line is phil will win a nba title in a few years and then he will get the last laugh. This year is irrelevant.

[Pauulzcappin]

Bottom line is phil will win a nba title in a few years and then he will get the last laugh. This year is irrelevant.

He will probably die before the knicks get another one

[KiDBaZkiT]

he's just pissed hes gonna have to pass.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Bottom line is phil will win a nba title in a few years and then he will get the last laugh. This year is irrelevant.

That is true. They're just playing out this year till they can go and free agents.

[d2bets]

Bottom line is phil will win a nba title in a few years and then he will get the last laugh. This year is irrelevant.

Anything beyond a season or two is reallyu impossible pure speculation. With salary cap, can't build a champion based primarily on free agents. Knicks best to chance is to tank hard this season, get a high lottery pick and draft a star. Rinse and repeat another season. Then maybe. The chance Knicks win a title in the next 3 seasons is negligible.

[jsmithj88]

Anything beyond a season or two is reallyu impossible pure speculation. With salary cap, can't build a champion based primarily on free agents. Knicks best to chance is to tank hard this season, get a high lottery pick and draft a star. Rinse and repeat another season. Then maybe. The chance Knicks win a title in the next 3 seasons is negligible.

nobody will outtank the sixers
knicks have enuff talent to stay in the playoff hunt baring melo getting hurt
besides, once u sign melo to that contract, ur not trying to do a slow rebuild

[d2bets]

nobody will outtank the sixers
knicks have enuff talent to stay in the playoff hunt baring melo getting hurt
besides, once u sign melo to that contract, ur not trying to do a slow rebuild

True, they won't outtank the Sixers, but the Knicks are going to be in the lottery.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Two months later....





Charles Barkley says Knicks running triangle offense is 'stupid'

By James Herbert | NBA writer
January 15, 2015 7:26 pm ET

Charles Barkley joined the Doug Gottleib Show on Thursday, and he had strong words about the New York Knicks' disastrous season. He was asked how much blame president Phil Jackson, head coach Derek Fisher and superstar Carmelo Anthony deserve for what's gone wrong, and Barkley chose not to criticize Anthony or Fisher. As for Jackson and his triangle offense ... that was a different story.

"Carmelo's a terrific player," Barkley said. "He's probably the best offensive player we got in the NBA. It's not his fault they're not winning. The Knicks just don't have good players. They don't have good players, it's plain and simple. And I think Phil Jackson made a mistake trying to make those guys run the triangle. You know, a good coach, you have to work with the personnel you got. Because those guys, No. 1, they're not going to learn the triangle ‘cause they're all going to be gone next year. They're really just auditioning for their new team. So he should have known that, the triangle, that was a waste of time trying to get those guys to buy in. ‘Cause you know, to be a good team, you have to buy into it like, ‘We're all in this together.' The Knicks are probably going to have eight to nine new players next year, so to think that those guys are going to buy into the triangle for six months, that was ridiculous. They know they're not going to be there. So you can blame Phil for that.

"To bring in players that know they're not going to be there and expect them to do the triangle, that was just stupid," Barkley continued. "Plain and simple. Those guys are like, ‘I'm not going to be here, why am I trying to run the triangle? I'm trying to get some numbers so I can audition for my next team.' So he has to take some blame in that situation. But then, bottom line is the Knicks don't have good players, man."

This shouldn't be particularly surprising, as Barkley has said similar things on TNT broadcasts throughout the season. He's even campaigned for the network to stop showing Knicks games.

Barkley went on to say that New York has approached rebuilding incorrectly, as it hasn't taken advantage of the draft like other franchises have. Another way of putting it: one reason the Knicks are awful is that, before Jackson arrived, the front office didn't make finding young talent a priority.

"They haven't drafted any good young players the last 10 years, and that's why they stink," Barkley said. "They try to raid everybody else's free agents, and when they don't get free agents, they stink."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24964502/charles-barkley-calls-knicks-implementation-of-triangle-offense-stupid