Do the Royals keep it going today with Vargas over Verlander?

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  • stevenash
    Moderator
    • 01-17-11
    • 65661

    #1
    Do the Royals keep it going today with Vargas over Verlander?
    "Don't mess with a winning streak"
    -Crash Davis

    Biggest series of the year so far in the majors.
    KC charges to 1.5 games back of division leader Tigers.

    Three game set begins tonight in Detroit, Royals face Verlander tonight, and Mad Max on Tuesday.
    Win both, they take the division lead and makes a lot of people take notice.
    KC counters with Vargas tonight and pits Ace Ventura agains Max tommorrow.


    Reasons to back KC

    1) KC is the hottest team in the majors, sweeping Cleveland at home and the White Sox on the road, currently riding a seven game win streak.

    2) I dont know who he is nowadays, but Verlander is not Verlander.
    But almost every power pitcher does not have a shelf life of nine years, and Justin is in his ninth year, and like Mussina, Maddux and all the other great pitchers of days gone by, needs to re-invent himself.

    Spin it any way you want 1.51 for a WH/IP and 4.61 for an ERA are just terrible, awful numbers.
    Even his strikeouts are way down, and he's facing a line up that may be underachieving in the power numbers, are one of the best contact teams in the majors and lead the majors in fewest times struck out (387) and it's not evem close, every other team has struck out over 400 times.

    3) Butler flat out owns Verlander Billy is 32 for 74 lifetime versus JV that's .432, OBA of .492
    That's half the time Butler faces Verlander, he gets on base. He also has two taters off of Verlander too.

    Sal Perez is 12 for 27 .444
    Alex Gordon has taken him deep twice too.

    The middle of the order has done and can do damage against JV

    4) KC Jason Vargas has emerged as one of the better LH starting pitchers in the American League.
    Going into tonight he's 6-2, with a tidy 1.21 WH/IP and a very nice 3.30 ERA.

    67 strike outs is good 23 walks in almost 100 innings is betterm that's about 2 a game, and you can't be walking Tiger batters.

    Must keep Kinsler (who is hot right now) and has hit Vargas in the past off the bases and Miggy in the yard.
    If successful, he wins this game. Rest of the Tiger line up he's fine with history shows.


    5) KC is over .500 on the road. (18-16)
    Tigers are 13th out of 15 American League teams versus lefties.
    They have only scored 62 runs off of southpaws.

    I hate to drop the 'v' word here, but there is a lot of value in KC tonight, even if they don't cash it's still the correct wager here.

    I'm getting +133 (as of 9:30am) on a white hot team, against a declining power pitcher, with a solid lefty whose team is better than .500 on the road, against a team that struggles against LHP this season.

    Buyer beware.

    Even though I like the Royals tonight, and will back them at +133, 3 gets you 4 and I like those numbers, it's still Verlander, no matter how much he slipped, and the Tiger line up can rake with V-Mart, and Kinsler, and Miggy.....
    My point being, it's not automatic, but I like the +133 here
  • RavensFan2k3
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-18-12
    • 17378

    #2
    Very nice write up, I like it
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    • RollinDo
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-04-13
      • 13322

      #3
      Looks like a coin flip.
      I think Tigers take it, but not going to lay juice.
      Tigers have dominated in division play, though this year a bit down.
      I think Tigers coming back to life too and realize importance of this game in keeping 1st place.
      Not a bad play to take Royals though a s a dog.
      Will back them tomorrow with Scherzer regardless.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        KC playing well and Verlander arm is shot
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        • 44 Mag
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 10-14-13
          • 34490

          #5
          Originally posted by jjgold
          KC playing well and Verlander arm is shot
          Take the over 8.5. Verlander looks cooked last two years. His ERA is already 4.60, and he got shelled last time out. BOL
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          • no1here
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 03-23-09
            • 5914

            #6
            gonna be at the game tonight and believe best betis the over
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            • Bostongambler
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              • 02-01-08
              • 35581

              #7
              Nice write up indeed.
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              • robph3333
                SBR Hustler
                • 05-27-14
                • 97

                #8
                Take K.C

                Made a lot of money following the Jays on their last streak. I say follow the heat to the cash!
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65661

                  #9
                  Originally posted by robph3333
                  Made a lot of money following the Jays on their last streak. I say follow the heat to the cash!
                  Been on them four times, tonight will be fifth, tomorrows game is scary though
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                  • No coincidences
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 01-18-10
                    • 76300

                    #10
                    Royals have a better overall team than the Tigers. Period.

                    They don't have a Cabrera-level star, but they also don't have the number of holes the Tigers do.

                    JV is pussy-whipped on Kate Upton.
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                    • mcdonae101
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-02-14
                      • 3646

                      #11
                      Royals and over, don't think u can lose both
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                      • wikkidinsane
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 05-30-10
                        • 13799

                        #12
                        Yes.. Barring any significant injuries and lineup changes- i will be pulling the trigger on the royals
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                        • t-wizzle
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 12-18-09
                          • 38099

                          #13
                          I took KC.
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                          • robph3333
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 05-27-14
                            • 97

                            #14
                            The big V is a tad inverted these days. Go Royals!
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                            • Big Bear
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 11-01-11
                              • 43253

                              #15
                              Originally posted by No coincidences
                              Royals have a better overall team than the Tigers. Period.

                              They don't have a Cabrera-level star, but they also don't have the number of holes the Tigers do.

                              JV is pussy-whipped on Kate Upton.
                              Verlander sucks indeed.

                              Royals don't have much power though.
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                              • TheCentaur
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-28-11
                                • 8108

                                #16
                                I love the Royals here to

                                Watch Verlander come out and pitch a no hitter now
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                                • Big Bear
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 11-01-11
                                  • 43253

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                  I love the Royals here to

                                  Watch Verlander come out and pitch a no hitter now
                                  Verlander sucks man his velocity is down and he can't hit his spots.
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                                  • stevenash
                                    Moderator
                                    • 01-17-11
                                    • 65661

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Big Bear
                                    Royals don't have much power though.
                                    Actually they do, they just aren't hitting the ball over the fence.

                                    Know this, Hosmer is one of the strongest guys in the league, he's just not parking them out though.
                                    Very strange.

                                    Same with Billy Butler, yeah he's got a gut, but he's a bull too.

                                    Gordon is not as strong, but is a power hitter if that makes sense.
                                    He's got those wrists.
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                                    • Ratpack
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 02-15-12
                                      • 4133

                                      #19
                                      gl hopefully vargas pitching well tonight but the tigers own him.
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                                      • stevenash
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 65661

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Ratpack
                                        gl hopefully vargas pitching well tonight but the tigers own him.
                                        Kinsler, and he's been raking lately.
                                        Red hot - five for his last ten.
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                                        • BayArea888
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 02-03-11
                                          • 870

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                          Actually they do, they just aren't hitting the ball over the fence.

                                          Know this, Hosmer is one of the strongest guys in the league, he's just not parking them out though.
                                          Very strange.

                                          Same with Billy Butler, yeah he's got a gut, but he's a bull too.

                                          Gordon is not as strong, but is a power hitter if that makes sense.
                                          He's got those wrists.
                                          I agree. Royals can hit. However, I think the key to the game will be the bullpen. KC's bats against the Detroit bullpen has a significant advantage than the other way around...
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                                          • Big Bear
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 11-01-11
                                            • 43253

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                            Actually they do, they just aren't hitting the ball over the fence.

                                            Know this, Hosmer is one of the strongest guys in the league, he's just not parking them out though.
                                            Very strange.

                                            Same with Billy Butler, yeah he's got a gut, but he's a bull too.

                                            Gordon is not as strong, but is a power hitter if that makes sense.
                                            He's got those wrists.
                                            I guess i should have said they are not a home run hitting team.

                                            Lots of doubles guys.
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                                            • Reck
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 07-16-09
                                              • 186

                                              #23
                                              Thanks for the great write up...Feels like the biggest Royals game in years... I too am on the Royals...
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                                              • Big Bear
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 11-01-11
                                                • 43253

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Reck
                                                Thanks for the great write up...Feels like the biggest Royals game in years... I too am on the Royals...
                                                ive never felt more confident in them.

                                                Verlander bout to get titty ripped
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                                                • PorkChop
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-18-08
                                                  • 8193

                                                  #25
                                                  Verander is completely hit or miss at this point. Hard to bet on him; still hard to bet against him (for me at least)
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                                                  • Darkside Magick
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 05-28-10
                                                    • 12638

                                                    #26
                                                    Waiting for late KC money....hope to get tigers @ -125
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                                                    • Machine Choice
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 12-12-08
                                                      • 3997

                                                      #27
                                                      Vargas gave up 7 earned runs to the Tigs when he last faced them four weeks ago. Yes Detroit is scuffling right now, but they tend to get up for big games. The last time the Tigers played the royals, KC was in 2nd place in the division just like they are tonight. Result: Tigers swept the Royals in three games and outscored them by more than 15 runs. I'm not saying the Royals will lose tonight. I'm just being the devils advocate. Best position on this game tonight is to not touch it. If the total falls to 8, slam the over. Otherwise leave it alone.
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                                                      • stevenash
                                                        Moderator
                                                        • 01-17-11
                                                        • 65661

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Machine Choice
                                                        Vargas gave up 7 earned runs to the Tigs when he last faced them four weeks ago. Yes Detroit is scuffling right now, but they tend to get up for big games. The last time the Tigers played the royals, KC was in 2nd place in the division just like they are tonight. Result: Tigers swept the Royals in three games and outscored them by more than 15 runs. I'm not saying the Royals will lose tonight. I'm just being the devils advocate. Best position on this game tonight is to not touch it. If the total falls to 8, slam the over. Otherwise leave it alone.
                                                        Good post.

                                                        As a spot bettor, I pick my spots (well duh lol) anyway, to me, you have to (another Crash Davis reference here) respect the streak, and the fact that the Royals are now hitting like they are supposed to, and Verlander on the decline, just like this spot.

                                                        Now many of you like 'the due' theory, as in 'Royals are due for a loss', my wife, who knows more sports than half the dudes, also subscribes to 'the due' theory too.

                                                        She'd be like "but Kershaw, or so and so, is due to lose" and I'd be like "says who"

                                                        Weren't the 1988 Orioles due for a win at the start of the season?

                                                        Nice attendence there for that Brewer series, hiuh?

                                                        Rk Gm# Tm Opp W/L R RA W-L Rank GB Win Loss Time Attendance
                                                        1 1 BAL MIL L 0 12 0-1 5 1 Higuera Boddicker 2:58 52,395
                                                        2 2 BAL MIL L 1 3 0-2 7 2 Bosio Morgan 2:14 13,487
                                                        3 3 BAL CLE L 0 3 0-3 7 3 Bailes Thurmond 2:22 53,738
                                                        4 4 BAL CLE L 1 12 0-4 7 4 Candiotti Boddicker 3:05 16,401
                                                        5 5 BAL CLE L 3 6 0-5 7 5 Yett McGregor 2:57 19,560
                                                        6 6 BAL CLE L 2 7 0-6 7 5.5 Swindell Morgan 2:19 15,816
                                                        7 7 BAL KCR L 1 6 0-7 7 6 Gubicza Peraza 2:57 11,180
                                                        8 8 BAL KCR L 3 9 0-8 7 7 Bannister Thurmond 2:58 12,027
                                                        9 9 BAL KCR L 3 4 0-9 7 8 Saberhagen Boddicker 2:40 13,005
                                                        10 10 BAL CLE L 2 3 0-10 7 9 Yett McGregor 2:57 13,215
                                                        11 11 BAL CLE L 0 1 0-11 7 9.5 Swindell Schmidt 3:12 13,625
                                                        12 12 BAL CLE L 1 4 0-12 7 11 Farrell Peraza 2:36 20,837
                                                        13 13 BAL MIL L 5 9 0-13 7 11 Nieves Thurmond 2:54 7,414
                                                        14 14 BAL MIL L 6 8 0-14 7 12 Wegman Boddicker 3:13 7,284
                                                        15 15 BAL MIL L 1 7 0-15 7 12 Bosio McGregor 2:35 7,749
                                                        16 16 BAL KCR L 1 13 0-16 7 13 Gubicza Morgan 2:30 34,482
                                                        17 17 BAL KCR L-wo 3 4 0-17 7 14 Power Sisk 2:37 23,564
                                                        18 18 BAL KCR L 1 3 0-18 7 14 Saberhagen Thurmond 2:24 25,526
                                                        19 19 BAL MIN L 2 4 0-19 7 15 Viola Morgan 2:40 21,172
                                                        20 20 BAL MIN L 6 7 0-20 7 16 Berenguer Scherrer 3:14 17,757
                                                        21 21 BAL MIN L 2 4 0-21 7 16 Anderson Boddicker 2:57 23,006
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                                                        • crustyme
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-29-10
                                                          • 16896

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                                          I took KC.

                                                          great reason to back detroit.


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                                                          • Down_Goes Bookie
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 06-18-13
                                                            • 422

                                                            #30
                                                            Lot to like in this play. Snagged KC at +140 with a local book. Banking on two hot lefties in Vargas and Chen with BAL tonight.

                                                            Good to see you back Nash.
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                                                            • stevenash
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-17-11
                                                              • 65661

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Down_Goes Bookie
                                                              Lot to like in this play. Snagged KC at +140 with a local book. Banking on two hot lefties in Vargas and Chen with BAL tonight.

                                                              Good to see you back Nash.
                                                              Thanks, work and stuff was wearing me out, no time, now I have time, took a couple of days off, I can concentrate on my baseball stuff.

                                                              Yeah, Orioles look like a play too, and Sox
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                                                              • I/O
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 05-26-11
                                                                • 7922

                                                                #32
                                                                Detroit takes care of business tonight
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                                                                • I/O
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 05-26-11
                                                                  • 7922

                                                                  #33
                                                                  KC had a shot to score early

                                                                  nada
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                                                                  • remeedella
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 04-17-12
                                                                    • 4089

                                                                    #34
                                                                    lol vargas is here, kc will smash a few
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                                                                    • I/O
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 05-26-11
                                                                      • 7922

                                                                      #35
                                                                      here come the Tiggers
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