Is Brady really that much Better John Elway?

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  • The Factor
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    • 07-19-12
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    #36
    Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy
    Yes. Elway is a horse toothed jackass who won 2 rings because of Terrell Davis.
    raider fan
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    • greenhippo
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      • 02-15-12
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      #37
      You going to use stats and facts to back up that claim? You do know your opinion means nothing right?
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      • Chi_archie
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        • 07-22-08
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        #38
        How old was Elway when he won his first Super Bowl?
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        • greenhippo
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          #39
          You mean how old was Elway when Davis won him his first title?
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          • The Factor
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            • 07-19-12
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            #40
            Originally posted by Chi_archie
            How old was Elway when he won his first Super Bowl?
            Elway took 3 trash teams to the SuperBowl.
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            • The Factor
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              • 07-19-12
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              #41
              Originally posted by greenhippo
              You mean how old was Elway when Davis won him his first title?
              ah you're just a penetrating hater lol
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              • greenhippo
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                #42
                .............you were asked to use facts to back up your claim. Why are you running away from reality?
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                • The Factor
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by greenhippo
                  You mean how old was Elway when Davis won him his first title?
                  what has shanahan done without elway? the year elway retired. The broncos had all the same players minus john and didnt even make the playoffs so suck my rooster lol
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                  • The Factor
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                    • 07-19-12
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by greenhippo
                    .............you were asked to use facts to back up your claim. Why are you running away from reality?
                    going to 5 super bowls isnt enough for you?
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                    • greenhippo
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                      #45
                      Which QB has more TDs
                      Which QB has more INTs
                      Which QB has a higher completion %
                      Which QB has a better winning %
                      Which QB has more playoff wins

                      Elway has Brady beat in just one of those and it's not the one you want to be ahead on.

                      Elway
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                      • greenhippo
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by The Factor
                        going to 5 super bowls isnt enough for you?
                        Brady has been to 5 superbowls and won more than Elway.... you were asked to provide facts that shows Elway is BETTER, not worse. Come on now.
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                        • The Factor
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                          • 07-19-12
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by greenhippo
                          Brady has been to 5 superbowls and won more than Elway.....more facts please
                          look at the circumstances you dumb penetrate lmao. brady has a genius running the team. Cant penetrate with belichick. Elway never had a great receiver or a great defense. Brady would be trash with a bad o-line. Elway could carry any team because of his mobility
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                          • frostno98
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                            • 09-11-07
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by greenhippo
                            You mean how old was Elway when Davis won him his first title?
                            You can go on and on about who won what? Terrell Davis was a great running back but teams couldn't always stack the box becuase Elawy would of made them pay. You talk like Elway was washed up when he got his rings, he was still the top 2-3 QB in the entire NFL his final two years with Farve and Steve Young being better.
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                            • The Factor
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                              • 07-19-12
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                              #49
                              i dont think i've ever seen a qb more protected then brady. his o'lines have always been amazing. plus you cant touch brady now a days. i wonder if any qb has drawn more roughing the passer penalties then brady has
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                              • bobby heenan
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                                • 03-20-09
                                • 4120

                                #50
                                Originally posted by The Factor
                                look at the circumstances you dumb penetrate lmao. brady has a genius running the team. Cant penetrate with belichick. Elway never had a great receiver or a great defense. Brady would be trash with a bad o-line. Elway could carry any team because of his mobility
                                im not gonna argue whos better...obviously elway was more mobile and had a stronger arm....again....heres a guy that was a number 1 pick compared to brady......but the myth that brady has played with these "great offensive lines" his whole career is garbage......hes played with some pretty crappy ones over the year as far as talent......part of what makes brady good is his footwork....his ability to feel a rush and move the pocket a little
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                                • greenhippo
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                                  #51
                                  Not arguing that at all Frost, he sure was when he won, doesn't mean at the end of their careers that he stacks up anywhere near Brady.

                                  Factor here continuing his 'maybes' 'ifs' and 'perhaps' arguments instead of using facts, which he has been asked 3 times now to provide. Guy thinks his opinions are facts, I hate seeing a grown man struggle with basic english.
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                                  • frostno98
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                                    • 09-11-07
                                    • 9769

                                    #52
                                    My knock on Montana is, Bill Walsh is easily one of the top 5 head coach to ever coached the NFL and having Jerry Rice the greastest reciever to ever play this game. While Brady has Billicheat, the greast coach ever. What Elway did is remarkable, short of amazing considering what he had most of his career. Elway was a winner.
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                                    • darkhat
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                                      • 08-18-10
                                      • 5722

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by The Factor
                                      you're out of your penetrating mind. Matt cassel won 11 games when brady went down or did you forget that already.
                                      brady went 16-0 with that team
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                                      • The Factor
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                                        • 07-19-12
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by frostno98
                                        You can go on and on about who won what? Terrell Davis was a great running back but teams couldn't always stack the box becuase Elawy would of made them pay. You talk like Elway was washed up when he got his rings, he was still the top 2-3 QB in the entire NFL his final two years with Farve and Steve Young being better.
                                        favre was amazing in that sb loss to the broncos. go look at the replay on his td pass to freeman. what an arm
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                                        • RonPaul2008
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                                          • 06-08-07
                                          • 6741

                                          #55
                                          Yes, Brady's career is a lot more impressive then Elway. I rank Brady in the top 2 QB's ever along with Joe Montana. Third, in my book, is Steve Young (possibly higher if he played longer). Anyone naming Favre in a best QB's ever list is nuts.
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                                          • The Factor
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                                            • 07-19-12
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                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by darkhat
                                            brady went 16-0 with that team
                                            how many points did he put up in the sb? Did he lose twice to Eli as the favorite?
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                                            • bobby heenan
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                                              • 03-20-09
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                                              #57
                                              LT Matt Light 26 3 16 New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
                                              LG Joe Andruzzi 29 6 16
                                              C Dan Koppen 25 1 16 1 fumble recovered New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
                                              RG Steve Neal 28 2 14
                                              RT Brandon Gorin 26 1 10 San Diego Chargers / 7th / 201st pick / 2001
                                              his 2004 offensive line

                                              2003
                                              LT Matt Light 25 2 16 New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
                                              LG Damien Woody 26 4 14 1 fumble recovered New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 1999
                                              C Dan Koppen 24 Rook 15 1 fumble recovered New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
                                              RG Joe Andruzzi 28 5 16 1 fumble recovered
                                              2001
                                              LT Matt Light 23 Rook 12 New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
                                              LG Mike Compton 31 8 16 Detroit Lions / 3rd / 68th pick / 1993
                                              C Damien Woody 24 2 15 1 fumble recovered New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 1999
                                              RG Joe Andruzzi 26 3 16 1 fumble recovered
                                              RT Greg Randall 23 1 16 New England Patriots / 4th / 127th pick / 2000
                                              2007
                                              LT Matt Light*+ 29 6 16 New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
                                              LG Logan Mankins* 25 2 16 New England Patriots / 1st / 32nd pick / 2005
                                              C Dan Koppen* 28 4 15 New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
                                              RG Steve Neal 31 5 8
                                              RT Nick Kaczur 28 2 15 New England Patriots / 3rd / 100th pick / 2005
                                              matt light...was mainstay...he was good...not great....other than that....they basically filled a line with garbage...undrafted free agents...late round picks......then they added mankins....right now his current line is probably one of the most talented hes had(although volmer is out).....brady has helped make these guys look good....its just a bunch of garbage that has been coached up well to the point that they are adequate enough
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                                              • The Factor
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                                                • 07-19-12
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by greenhippo
                                                Not arguing that at all Frost, he sure was when he won, doesn't mean at the end of their careers that he stacks up anywhere near Brady.

                                                Factor here continuing his 'maybes' 'ifs' and 'perhaps' arguments instead of using facts, which he has been asked 3 times now to provide. Guy thinks his opinions are facts, I hate seeing a grown man struggle with basic english.
                                                Elway took 3 garbage teams to the SB! Thats all the proof I need . He did it 3 times. Lebron did it once
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                                                • The Factor
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                                                  #59
                                                  bobby why dont you try using your eyes. Brady has always had tons of time to throw the ball. I dont need names like i really know every linesmans name
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                                                  • Big Bear
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                                                    • 11-01-11
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                                                    #60
                                                    I would have to give the edge to Elway b/c of his mobility.
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                                                    • darkhat
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                                                      • 08-18-10
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by The Factor
                                                      how many points did he put up in the sb? Did he lose twice to Eli as the favorite?
                                                      How many did cassel?
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                                                      • The Factor
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                                                        • 07-19-12
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by greenhippo
                                                        Not arguing that at all Frost, he sure was when he won, doesn't mean at the end of their careers that he stacks up anywhere near Brady.

                                                        Factor here continuing his 'maybes' 'ifs' and 'perhaps' arguments instead of using facts, which he has been asked 3 times now to provide. Guy thinks his opinions are facts, I hate seeing a grown man struggle with basic english.
                                                        this idiot asks for facts likes there's really an answer to who is better. Its all opinion. by your reasoning Aikman is better than brady and that's a fact lol
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                                                        • bobby heenan
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by The Factor
                                                          bobby why dont you try using your eyes. Brady has always had tons of time to throw the ball. I dont need names like i really know every linesmans name
                                                          i do use my eyes...ive seen every snap of his career.....hes been playing with alot of late round picks and undrafted guys...hell steven neal didnt even play college football lol....a bunch of garbage....brady has great footwork and awareness....it has made his line look better than it is at times
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                                                          • The Factor
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                                                            • 07-19-12
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by darkhat
                                                            How many did cassel?
                                                            you obviously dont know whats going on. Is brady great YES! is he way better than Elway and Peyton? HELLL NOOOO. i would take both of them ahead of brady
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                                                            • greenhippo
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                                                              #65
                                                              Why isn't Factor using reality to base his argument? Why is he continually struggling with the most basic of English? Someone get this kid a tutor to help him sound out the words and do the research for him since he can't do it himself. Help this kid.
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                                                              • darkhat
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                                                                • 08-18-10
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                                                                #66
                                                                Factor, please take s break from sbr for the night

                                                                It's clear your face is bright red and your pulse is off the charts. I don't know your medical history, but it's not healthy for you too put so much stress on your heart. Please go out for a drink and take it easy. ..maybe jerk off to some porn or meet a girl on backpage.

                                                                We are worried about you
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                                                                • The Factor
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by bobby heenan
                                                                  i do use my eyes...ive seen every snap of his career.....hes been playing with alot of late round picks and undrafted guys...hell steven neal didnt even play college football lol....a bunch of garbage....brady has great footwork and awareness....it has made his line look better than it is at times
                                                                  i know brady is great, of course, but not way better than manning and elway. that's insane. Rodgers is a better QB than brady is.
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                                                                  • The Factor
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by darkhat
                                                                    Factor, please take s break from sbr for the night

                                                                    It's clear your face is bright red and your pulse is off the charts. I don't know your medical history, but it's not healthy for you too put so much stress on your heart. Please go out for a drink and take it easy. ..maybe jerk off to some porn or meet a girl on backpage.

                                                                    We are worried about you
                                                                    i get laid. I not a lame putting bitches as my picture avatar. That's for dudes who dont get any
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                                                                    • greenhippo
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Brady must have fukked this guy's one and only girlfriend then came on his mom's face. His intense hatred knows no bounds.
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                                                                      • The Factor
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                                                                        • 07-19-12
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by darkhat
                                                                        Factor, please take s break from sbr for the night

                                                                        It's clear your face is bright red and your pulse is off the charts. I don't know your medical history, but it's not healthy for you too put so much stress on your heart. Please go out for a drink and take it easy. ..maybe jerk off to some porn or meet a girl on backpage.

                                                                        We are worried about you
                                                                        i have 80 post you have 5k who needs to take a break from the sbr?? lmao
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