Why didn't Stanford throw the ball in the 2nd half? Did I miss something? Was Hogan hurt? I mean... they were running into a brick wall... why not throw? Give your QB a chance. I just don't understand why they didn't show up in the 2H? Don't get me wrong... not taking anything away from Michigan State. They played an outstanding game. But, I'm just wondering why they didn't throw? Why not throw 3 times on all 3 downs for 1 series? Do something different. Sh#$.
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Stubbornness.Comment -
yup stanford offensive coordinator was being stubborn and kept running the same draw plays up the middle.
whenever they were running misdirection plays or throwing down field, they had success. imagine that...
fukking idiot was so transparent, michigan st. defensive coordinator probably was loling in the booth.Comment -
mercy....Pac 12 felt bad for whipping that weak Big 10 azz for so many years.
threw them a boneComment -
success....throwing the ball? they were 10-18 for 143 yards over the game and most of that was in the first quarter...hell over a third of it was on one play...two plays accounted for 94 of the 143 yards...hogan is terrible and the stanford staff knew he was overmatched
i do agree on the misdirection calls...they caught msu overpursuing a few times in the first quarter with some misdirection plays and then they didnt really get back to thatComment -
The definition of INSANITY:
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Those 3rd and 4th down and shorts. WOW.Comment -
the 10 for 18 stat is misleading. how many of those incomplete passes were in the 2nd half when it was 3rd and long?
stanford didn't throw enough in the early downs.
this was their play... 1st down, run up the midde, 2nd down, run up the middle, 3rd and long, incomplete pass. michigan st caught stanford's d off guard several times by throwing in early downs. i honestly thought standford was gonna do this to michigan st, not the other way around.
also, kicking a fg when you're down by 7 inside 5 minutes is stupid. they should've went for it on 4th and 4 instead of kicking that fg.Comment -
Shaw and his team could not have failed any harder that game. The final Stan offensive play encapsulates that failure. If you're going to run on 4th fine but give yourselves an out and make sure Hogan has the ball.
Team should have won by DD. gift wrapped the momentum and handed it Mich St.
Props to MSU though for playing hard and wanting to win more than Stan.Comment -
They opened up the game throwing it then went conservative
That 4th and 3 was crap he ran a draw play youve gotta throw itComment -
Michigan State is 2nd nationally in Opponent Passer Rating.
No one throws into that coverage all year. You can't beat State that way. They don't need an extra in the box against anyone.
They are too good that way. If you didn't game plan to beat them that way then you ain't gonna switch up to beat them that way.
Top 3 overall defense nationally, Stanford was simply overmatched.Comment -
billy did you watch the game?Comment -
well i've watch most of stanford games this year and they were stuck in that 2nd half conservative mode.
i give credit to michigan st. they definitely spent more time preparing for the game.
stanford treated this game like a regular pac 12 game.Comment -
I was addressing the OP here which was why did Stanford not pass. My response is because they couldn't make that a sustainable part of their game plan because State is too good against the pass and has been against everyone all year.
My post did not address nor state that Stanford had no chance to win. Stanford should have won but shot themselves in the foot.
Overmatched against the pass on offense.
That is all.Comment -
If I didn't know better I'd say Stanford threw the game. Kicking a FG for it on 4th and 3 down 7 with 4 minutes left was grounds for a finding of insanity.Comment -
Michigan State is not nearly as good as Stanford made them look. bottom line is that HC David Shaw called a terrible game. he is one of those guys who you cannot say anything to him about how he is calling the game. It is his way or the highway. He is famous for this. Last season Stanford scored 3 points in the 2nd half. This season they scored 3 points in the 2nd half. Sound familiar?Comment -
i posted somewhere that the game was a reverse of what all the predictions claimed....that mich st did the same things as stanford, but not as well, so theyd have to add some rubs into their game plan...turns out that was actually stanford, not msu....i agree on the 4th down comment but i really felt like they had maybe a 10% chance of converting so shaw was in somewhat of a no win situation
if i were to make a comment about the coaching id say that dantonio flat out outcoached shaw but he did a great job whereas shaw just ran out of options....i really cant overstate that hogan is a terrible qb against a top level team...i mean look at the oregon game...they threw it 13 times for 100 yards...he looked great against the dredge of the pac 12 but he sucked against any decent d's they played...shaw knew if they cant run it then theyre cooked...though i agree that they could have been more creative with play callingComment -
I want to thank everyone who posted. You guys saw it like I did.
The only reason why (I think) Stanford's head coach kicks it there on 4th down... because he felt Dantonio would call conservative or be conservative (like he typically does late in games.) Possibly it was his only chance to get back (reasonably) in the game. I don't fault him for the FG call. I fault him for running every GD down. And I also agree with Michigan State's pass defense... they are awesome. But you have to give yourself a chance for fast offense... a DB could slip and fall... anything. It was do or die either way. But you aren't going to beat Michigan State running. Seems like you weren't going to beat them at anything. Waive the white flag.Comment
