Will Lebron James Repeat As MVP Again? If Not, Who Will Challenge Him?

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  • GunShard
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    • 03-05-10
    • 10032

    #36
    Bet on Lebron MVP every season.
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    • Goat Milk
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      • 03-24-10
      • 25850

      #37
      Originally posted by Menses
      I remember when people thought Kobe was better than Lebron...they said Bron was overrated........lol....the good ol days...
      At one point, Lebron was 4th best player in the world behind
      1. Bryant
      2. Wade
      3. McGrady
      4. Lebron
      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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      • Goat Milk
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        • 03-24-10
        • 25850

        #38
        Durant Chris Paul and K Love all have a chance.

        Paul George has no shot to win MVP.

        I bet Chris Paul pre season. The odds were insane.
        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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        • eidolon
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-02-08
          • 9531

          #39
          Originally posted by onlooker
          Kevin Love is playing good ball right now.
          Do you think Kevin Love is a good fit to play on the same team as Lebron?
          I was thinking about what kinda player is a good fit with Lebron, and Love was one of those guys.


          (oh yeah, nothing im saying is refering to MVP stuff)
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          • High3rEl3m3nt
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-28-10
            • 8022

            #40
            Originally posted by Goat Milk
            Durant Chris Paul and K Love all have a chance.

            Paul George has no shot to win MVP.

            I bet Chris Paul pre season. The odds were insane.
            What were the odds?
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            • Ratzz
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-07-10
              • 8965

              #41
              i consider this over if LBJ continues this performance.

              shooting .622 FG%

              .517 from 3-PT Range

              he's insane

              unprecedented really.. he will retire with 6-7 MVPs

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              • eidolon
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 01-02-08
                • 9531

                #42
                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                At one point, Lebron was 4th best player in the world behind
                1. Bryant
                2. Wade
                3. McGrady
                4. Lebron
                Was this when Lebron was 18 years old?
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                • seaborneq
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 09-08-06
                  • 22556

                  #43
                  Originally posted by Goat Milk
                  At one point, Lebron was 4th best player in the world behind
                  1. Bryant
                  2. Wade
                  3. McGrady
                  4. Lebron
                  the length of time that mcgrady was better than lebron lasted as long as you could see haley's comet
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                  • sando
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-30-12
                    • 3723

                    #44
                    All you Lebron homers seem to forget the award is not the "World's Best Player" it is the "Most Valuable Player" I.e the player that is so important to their individual team and CP3 is easily as important to the Clippers as Lebron is to the Heat.

                    There is a concept called "voter fatigue" that may indeed be relevant this season, and would hence work against Lebron.

                    Lebron has publicly stated that he wants the DPOY this season and he basically had a cry when Gasol won it last year.

                    Lebron is very good at getting what he wants, however it is extremely unlikely he will win MVP and DPOY in the same season.

                    Many times these trophies are award retrospectively, especially DPOY and also to a lesser extent MVP, so there is a very good chance that CP3 or possibly Parker wins MVP this season and far less of a chance that George or Love will - it's like you have to put in the work first and then will be awarded the trophy in hindsight.

                    Personally I think Lebron has a very very good chance to win DPOY this season as he has the media in the palm of his hands these days (recovered remarkable well from "the decision" fiasco). I don't think he will win MVP. Personally I like KD (although still so so early in the season) with CP3 and Parker being genuine chances as well and Love a nice smoky.
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                    • Menses
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-15-13
                      • 2755

                      #45
                      Originally posted by Goat Milk
                      At one point, Lebron was 4th best player in the world behind
                      1. Bryant
                      2. Wade
                      3. McGrady
                      4. Lebron
                      Lebron was behind Bryant when he was in highschool...He has been better than Bryant since 06...the rest I agree with..
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                      • Menses
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-15-13
                        • 2755

                        #46
                        Originally posted by eidolon
                        Was this when Lebron was 18 years old?
                        yep
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                        • Menses
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-15-13
                          • 2755

                          #47
                          Originally posted by Ratzz
                          i consider this over if LBJ continues this performance.

                          shooting .622 FG%

                          .517 from 3-PT Range

                          he's insane

                          unprecedented really.. he will retire with 6-7 MVPs
                          Bosh had claimed Bron had gotten way better over the summer...i thought he was lying..but it may very well be so....Skip Bayless will not be amused...
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                          • Menses
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-15-13
                            • 2755

                            #48
                            Originally posted by sando
                            All you Lebron homers seem to forget the award is not the "World's Best Player" it is the "Most Valuable Player" I.e the player that is so important to their individual team and CP3 is easily as important to the Clippers as Lebron is to the Heat.

                            There is a concept called "voter fatigue" that may indeed be relevant this season, and would hence work against Lebron.

                            Lebron has publicly stated that he wants the DPOY this season and he basically had a cry when Gasol won it last year.

                            Lebron is very good at getting what he wants, however it is extremely unlikely he will win MVP and DPOY in the same season.

                            Many times these trophies are award retrospectively, especially DPOY and also to a lesser extent MVP, so there is a very good chance that CP3 or possibly Parker wins MVP this season and far less of a chance that George or Love will - it's like you have to put in the work first and then will be awarded the trophy in hindsight.

                            Personally I think Lebron has a very very good chance to win DPOY this season as he has the media in the palm of his hands these days (recovered remarkable well from "the decision" fiasco). I don't think he will win MVP. Personally I like KD (although still so so early in the season) with CP3 and Parker being genuine chances as well and Love a nice smoky.
                            I agree with this assessment...timing is everything with these awards...more often than not, the player who deserves it will not get it...the league most solidify Durant and Paul's commercial exposure with an MVP...Love should get it if he continues to play well...but will not because its his first time in the conversation...same with George....Hibbert is clearly in the running for DPOY...Noah was robbed of it last year and he played as well as Hibbert is playing now.....however..so upsets may be in order....
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                            • High3rEl3m3nt
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-28-10
                              • 8022

                              #49
                              I don't follow basketball closely, but didn't Noah miss quite a few games?
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                              • InTheDrink
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-23-09
                                • 23983

                                #50
                                Originally posted by sando
                                All you Lebron homers seem to forget the award is not the "World's Best Player" it is the "Most Valuable Player" I.e the player that is so important to their individual team and CP3 is easily as important to the Clippers as Lebron is to the Heat.
                                this is ridiculous
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                                • sando
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-30-12
                                  • 3723

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by InTheDrink
                                  this is ridiculous

                                  Is it? I'm guessing you don't actually follow the NBA that closely?
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                                  • JM92
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-27-12
                                    • 1140

                                    #52
                                    CP3 is due for one since they gave Kobe one basically because I guess he was due as well in 08. I think this is the year
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                                    • Menses
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-15-13
                                      • 2755

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by InTheDrink
                                      this is ridiculous
                                      No it is not.....Most Valuable Player means just that..who is most valuable...but alas..this is David Stern's NBA...and most valuble really means...most marketable and most popular....in some years there are exceptions....Jordan/Lebron/Bird...were indeed invaluable to their teams....but Nash's second MVP was nonsense.....
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                                      • HustleGetPaid
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-28-09
                                        • 1199

                                        #54
                                        Lebron wins MVP followed by CP3, KD and Kevin Love...
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                                        • warbux
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 11-17-13
                                          • 896

                                          #55
                                          Lamar Odom

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                                          • ephi408
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 03-20-11
                                            • 177

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Menses
                                            Lebron could shoot 70 percent this year and still not win...as the MVP is often awarded based on timing...not just prowess.....Kevin Love is hands down the MVP right now...but will not get it...because he is white, plays in a small market...and has no national exposure...no commercials, etc etc.....women love the dude tho..lol.....and the timing is more in favor of Durant...and Paul...i expect one of them to get it this year....George is a first timer....he might have a shot next year if the NBA allow the Pacers to win it all this year....
                                            yeah, there hasn't been a white dude from a small market that has won an MVP in recent years.

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                                            • InTheDrink
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-23-09
                                              • 23983

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by sando
                                              Is it? I'm guessing you don't actually follow the NBA that closely?
                                              of course i do

                                              im not a lebron fan but to im honest enough to admit that he makes virtually any team he's on better than any other team in the league

                                              there are no other real all stars on the heat at this point and theyre still favorites to win the title

                                              cp3 makes his team a playoff team/conference final contender and lebron makes his team champions

                                              i will say to have an mvp discussion after 10 games is completely absurd

                                              as for the other guey talking about bird/jordan/lebron, karl malone was the biggest farce in recent history when he got it over mj and he certainly wasnt more marketable
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                                              • ephi408
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 03-20-11
                                                • 177

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by InTheDrink
                                                of course i do

                                                im not a lebron fan but to im honest enough to admit that he makes virtually any team he's on better than any other team in the league

                                                there are no other real all stars on the heat at this point and theyre still favorites to win the title

                                                cp3 makes his team a playoff team/conference final contender and lebron makes his team champions

                                                i will say to have an mvp discussion after 10 games is completely absurd

                                                as for the other guey talking about bird/jordan/lebron, karl malone was the biggest farce in recent history when he got it over mj and he certainly wasnt more marketable
                                                This guy isn't an all star?

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                                                • InTheDrink
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-23-09
                                                  • 23983

                                                  #59
                                                  nope....he might end up being one but he hasnt played like one yet
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #60
                                                    Paul proved last night why he is no mvp

                                                    Clippers cannot beat tough teams even at home
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                                                    • eidolon
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 01-02-08
                                                      • 9531

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by JM92
                                                      CP3 is due for one since they gave Kobe one basically because I guess he was due as well in 08. I think this is the year
                                                      yeah, I know what year you are talking about. I couldn't agree with you more. CP3 should have gotten the MVP that year.
                                                      I think they were making up for not giving Kobe the MVP the year before when he deserved it, but they gave it to Nash.
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                                                      • ParlayininHTown
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 06-27-10
                                                        • 7561

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by InTheDrink
                                                        this is ridiculous
                                                        Drinker, I love you bro, but it really isn't.



                                                        No one in the NBA has the ball in his hands more than CP3. It remains to be seen who will emerge as true MVP candidates, but you have to admit that CP3 deserves serious consideration if the Clippers have an extremely successful season.
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                                                        • InTheDrink
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-23-09
                                                          • 23983

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by ParlayininHTown
                                                          Drinker, I love you bro, but it really isn't.


                                                          No one in the NBA has the ball in his hands more than CP3. It remains to be seen who will emerge as true MVP candidates, but you have to admit that CP3 deserves serious consideration if the Clippers have an extremely successful season.
                                                          define extremely successful

                                                          they're at best the third best team in the west
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                                                          • NittanyLionsFan
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-26-10
                                                            • 2857

                                                            #64
                                                            If the season plays out exactly how it's already played out 7 times over, LeBron will be MVP again. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
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                                                            • Goat Milk
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                                                              • 03-24-10
                                                              • 25850

                                                              #65
                                                              James is obviously the favorite every year but it is not definitive. Paul's numbers will be historic at the end of the year. Durant could explode. Kevin Love could easily get it. If Bryant comes back and dominates and gets the Lakers into a top 4 seed he will get it. Bryant was 1st in the league in scoring for majority of year last year. Most think he's done.

                                                              Mamba. Yup.
                                                              Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                              • Goat Milk
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                                                                • 03-24-10
                                                                • 25850

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by eidolon
                                                                Was this when Lebron was 18 years old?
                                                                D Wade was better than Lebron in 2005 and 2006. Mcgrady and Bryant were the two best players in the world for a 3 year span. No one could ever score as easy as Mcgrady imo in the history of the nba in his prime. He never trained hard enough to stay on top of the world though. That's what separated Bryant from him.
                                                                Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                                • Ratzz
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 07-07-10
                                                                  • 8965

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                  James is obviously the favorite every year but it is not definitive. Paul's numbers will be historic at the end of the year. Durant could explode. Kevin Love could easily get it. If Bryant comes back and dominates and gets the Lakers into a top 4 seed he will get it. Bryant was 1st in the league in scoring for majority of year last year. Most think he's done.

                                                                  Mamba. Yup.

                                                                  yes, but on 100 shots a game.. which ends up hurting team
                                                                  it's about player efficiency.

                                                                  that is why Kobe has only won a single MVP in what is almost a 20 yr. career..

                                                                  there are a lot of guys that won the award once.

                                                                  Kobe is was never qualified to ever win more than one. he is not a 'team-minded' individual.

                                                                  he could never win it again, that is laughable

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                                                                  • Ratzz
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 07-07-10
                                                                    • 8965

                                                                    #68
                                                                    let me explain it to you this way, if you made a million dollars last year,
                                                                    and you spent $950K doing so, you are not a millionaire.

                                                                    Kobe's profit margin is low, because he consumes so many possessions generating his points.

                                                                    Lebron is shooting .622 FG% .517 3-PT%

                                                                    kobe has never shot over .469 FG% for a season
                                                                    and his career avg. from 3-pt Range is .336%

                                                                    Jody Meeks numbers are better.
                                                                    which by thr way, he is finished.

                                                                    Kobe will not permit anyone to put up much better shooting numbers than him.

                                                                    no more touches/shots for Meeks*

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                                                                    • Seto
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                                                                      • 12-16-11
                                                                      • 12906

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by Ratzz
                                                                      let me explain it to you this way, if you made a million dollars last year,
                                                                      and you spent $950K doing so, you are not a millionaire.

                                                                      Kobe's profit margin is low, because he consumes so many possessions generating his points.

                                                                      Lebron is shooting .622 FG% .517 3-PT%

                                                                      kobe has never shot over .469 FG% for a season
                                                                      and his career avg. from 3-pt Range is .336%

                                                                      Jody Meeks numbers are better.

                                                                      which by thr way, he is finished.

                                                                      Kobe will not permit anyone to put up much better shooting numbers than him.

                                                                      no more touches/shots for Meeks*
                                                                      dude come on.. smh.
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                                                                      • Goat Milk
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                                                                        • 03-24-10
                                                                        • 25850

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by Ratzz
                                                                        let me explain it to you this way, if you made a million dollars last year,
                                                                        and you spent $950K doing so, you are not a millionaire.

                                                                        Kobe's profit margin is low, because he consumes so many possessions generating his points.

                                                                        Lebron is shooting .622 FG% .517 3-PT%

                                                                        kobe has never shot over .469 FG% for a season
                                                                        and his career avg. from 3-pt Range is .336%

                                                                        Jody Meeks numbers are better.
                                                                        which by thr way, he is finished.

                                                                        Kobe will not permit anyone to put up much better shooting numbers than him.

                                                                        no more touches/shots for Meeks*
                                                                        Tony Parker and Dwayne Wade shoot a better FG percentage than Bryant every year. Are they better than Bryant? LOL.

                                                                        James is 6'10 270 pounds idiot. He's the same size as some NBA centers.

                                                                        He should be shooting no less than 55% every season based on his size. 270 pounds. LOL. Name me 5 PFs that weigh 270. You're a fool. I don't like you Rat. Go crawl back to your sewer.
                                                                        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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