Okay Playing at a friends house dealer's choice playing cash games (no chips, cash). Am I allowed to ask the person in the hand how much money they have left in the middle of a pot ??
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You should of seen the dude I asked refused to let me know how much money he had in front of him, hating big time.Comment -
Yes you can ask and he should have told you. Doesn't matter chips or cash. All the money is in play. Sounds like a d-bag.Comment -
clear view of chips (neatly stacked) is all that is required as long as there is not an all in.Comment -
It's generally in poor taste in a cash game especially to older players. Most see it as trying to get a read or take it as a slight insult. You have the right to ask, he has the right to tell you to fukk off.Comment -
I would not say it is in poor taste, it is fair to understand how much they are playing with.
As long as the money is not bet and their money behind is clearly on the table and big chips/bills are not hidden, then they are fully in their right to not answer nor count out what they have.
That all said, I think too many people, too many times play the "how much money do you have game" to get a read that is not there and they would not know how to pick it up if it is there....Comment -
Lol. I agree El Nino. You can ask, but he can tell you to get bent.Comment -
every poker game I've played in you are forced to represent your chips stack accurately..... no hiding your 10k+ chips in the back rowComment -
Yes, you're allowed. In a casino the player would either have to tell you, clearly show you, or allow the dealer to reach over and physically do it.
If you are playing with literal cash then this shouldn't fly.As long as the money is not bet and their money behind is clearly on the table and big chips/bills are not hidden, then they are fully in their right to not answer nor count out what they have.
TV poker has nothing to do with asking how deep a person is, especially in a game in which bills play or if the players stack is obscured somewhat. What TV has, unfortunately, started is the trend of people not answering how deep they are when they are asked. Not answering slows the game down, and it opens the door to angles from unethical players.The tv poker boom is mostly to blame. I loathe the, "How much do you have left?
If you do what you're supposed to, which means: keep your chips in stacks of 20, keep your higher denomination chips out front, swap out bills you win for chips, and keep your hands out of the playing surface, you'll almost never be asked. And when you are asked, you'll know it's coming from an inexperienced player who you don't want to alienate by not telling them your stack size. I play full time and I'm almost never asked because everyone can see my chips in the first place.Comment -
Ive done that so many times
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yes but they dont have to answer. they have to keep everything visible. you cant force another player to speak. but you have the right to use your eyes and count it. you can say, "make all your cash bills visible" so you can count it yourself. you should play with chips to circumvent this issueComment -
You are definitely allowed to ask and he definitely allowed to say penetrate you. But his chips (or cash) must be visible so you or the dealer can count.
I personally LOVE to say count it your self, especially when its some bitch I dont like.Comment -
its a home game, which really could have any kinda rules they would want to have.
in a regulated game, he would have to have all his chips visible and he could tell you or you count it yourself, most players will tell you.Comment -
He had a small stack of bills. He could have had $15 or $200 I had no idea. He just didn't want to answer me because I don't work and have money and thats the truth.Comment -
Like I said he had a stack of anywhere between 10 and 20 paper bills and could have had either $20 or $200. I only ask this question once a night and I was at the point in the hand where if I call/or raise (don't remember) Im basically all in.... Like I said this was a friendly game but some of the pots got $300 +Comment -
you can ask him to spread the bills so that each one's amount is distinguishable and do the math in your head. you have right to see how much he is playing, but you do not have right to force anyone to speak. players have right to "freeze up" like statue and sit there silently. but at another player's (who is in hand) request, he has to spread cash out so each bill's amount is visible. play with chips to circumvent this issue. nobody plays cash anymore its too much of a hassle exactly for this reason. you can't force him to speak but you can make him spread cash out so you can count it yourself. same way in live games. if player asks "how much you got," you don't have to answer, but you have to make sure all your chips are visible (big chips must be in front). if all your chips are visible and they ask you, you can sit there silently. if he wants a count he has to do it with his own eyes (or sometimes can request dealer count depending on house rules).Comment -
I learn something new everyday at SBRComment -
Yes and he should tell you if he follows proper etiquette, although some players will just raise their hands out of the way to let you count instead.Comment -
Interesting side note to this: at Harrahs AC I once asked a dealer how much was in the pot on the river and the dealer said "I can't tell you that"... Is that common for most casinos or casino specific?Comment -
Dealers do not have to tell you how much is in the pot.
There might be some grey areas here based on house/dealer/pit rules but all they are required to do, at max, is spread out the pot a bit so you can count it yourself.Comment -
I just looked it up and it seems that dealers only have to tell you the amount in the pot if the game type is Pot Limit.Comment -
yes. dealers cannot count pot except in pot limit. you can ask dealer to "spread" pot, and dealer has to spread chips out in pot so that they're almost all visible. you have to count it yourself. you can make dealer spread pot out to make sure big chips aren't hiding at bottom, but dealer can't give you count. dealer can be ordered to spread pot to make your job easier, but you have to count it yourself. it is done to prevent dealer from influencing action. for example if you make big bet and are bluffing and your opponent about to fold, and dealer goes, "woah big pot 2,000 in middle" it could influence the other guy into calling when he may have folded. not fair to the guy bluffing if dealer influences other guy to call. dealers arent really supposed to say anything during the hand. (e.g. if dealer says "3 spades out/possible straight out") could make other guy notice sometime he might not have observed and influence action. dealers are not supposed to influence action. announce the bets, control the hand, say nothing more.Comment
