[ChuckyTheGoat]

http://beyondthebets.com/2011/05/23/...e-the-deficit/

What a scumbag.

[HoulihansTX]

Stuuuuuu Fiener.

1billion Dime play LMAO for 50K.

[HoulihansTX]

That is 1,000,000,000,000.

Only 1/4 of the national debt.

[MBENZ]

That fukkers still alive?Thought he would've stroked out by now.

[AribaAriba]

awesome site, how's that site all the touts pick on a daily basis? are those legit customers who actualy purchase all those service? just out of curiosity.

[wantitall4moi]

feiner is the best. The source.

He is also getting or trying to get a reality Tv show. The pilot clip is what you would expect. Feeding on degenerates and selling them on the old double up system. Classic.

[cloudagh]

Applaud those outside the box thinkers!!

[ChuckyTheGoat]

My favorite was Dr Ron Bash. Anyone remember "The Coach"?

[BIGDAY]

Stu is gay

[topgame85]

[wantitall4moi]

It is sort of sad that hose days are gone. The net should have been a boom to them. But it only made the world a smaller place and let people get access to the same info they claimed to have, and it also allowed people to congregate and share horror stories about guys. So eventually everyone found how just how corrupt they all were.

But as far as entertainment value they were all priceless. At least feiner and his crew embraced tit and were as over the top as they could possibly be.

While guys like Jeff Allen, Cokin (who is actually not a bad capper) and Jim feist all tried to get serious with it and try and make people think they were legitimate. Akin to how Fez tries to act. So they tried to change with the times, going from strict handicappers (knowing how to break down games and predict a winner that way), to information players( getting 'secret' info from people close to the team, player, institution), to now the new con, 'market' players (using the market (odds/spreads) to determine who is betting what and extrapolate what that means and bet accordingly.) so it is a different scam for a different time.

Bottomline is it is all guess work, no matter what system you use. The only edge anyone has is always getting the best of it as often as possible. getting lucky on some moves, and using a correct approach to not get over exposed. In terms of actually looking to make a long term profit that is. If youre just a degenerate that is looking to get in fast and hard you might just as well fip a coin and call it whatever you want. So if you want to play 3 games and double up each time ust flip the coin 3 times (if you get that far).

I did an experiment on another board a few years ago. I bet the board every week simply by flipping a coin. I think I was 135-121 or something like that, I know it was right around 53%. Which for flipping a coin 256 times isnt that big a discrepancy. But it was better than guys who took hours a week trying to pick games. Took me all of 30 seconds a week to bet the board. But had I bet the ML on those games I would have shown a major profit. But since it wasnt real but an experiment I obviously didnt. But shows that it really doesnt mater what approach you take, the only difference is the price you get.

Bettor A and bettor B can bet the exact same game for a full year, and one of them will do better than the other one will. Simply due to what odds/ML they got, and if they got a 'bad' number and got a push or a loss rather than a win. They both bet the same exact teams but one will do better thanthe other just because of that. So does than mean the one guy is better than the other guy? Not hardly, just means he got a little luckier and had the right price when it counted. Which is why I alwyas laugh when people claim getting the 'right' side and winning by half a point makes them so good. No just means they got lucky. If they were REALLY good they would never bet a game that came down to a buzzer beater or a lucky play. Which goes right to my contention that it is all guess work, because no one can be that good or know that much or predict those things. You just have to hope you avoid them in games you play. Which is as random as flipping a coin.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Good post, Want. It is true that most lined bets aren't too far from 50/50. In a sample, a coin flip can exceed logic for sure.

Feiner's "Sports Advisors" was so over-the-top that (for me) it was the funniest thing on TV. Stu was outrageous, and the Dr Ron Bash was a prize himself. Remember the "1-2-Turn-To"?

Remember that the early 90s was pre-internet for most, and early internet for others. The information flow wasn't the same. To the uninformed (like me), part of you actually bought the idea that these guys were smart/sharp. Obviously, that viewpoint was ignorant. But you could see a vantage point where you wanted to get into their inner circle. That's what they were selling.

I don't want to admit how many times I woke up early Saturday to watch the FB preview shows. Sports Advisors, Proline, Sports Desk. Like I said above, the information flow wasn't what it is now, so those (and the rags) looked like viable sources of info. I swear I'd pay $100 for a box set of Sports Advisors VHS tapes. Anybody have em?

[MBENZ]

My favorite was Dr Ron Bash. Anyone remember "The Coach"?

Lol,September to remember and if that sucked he had November to remember and if that sucked he had December to remember. Fukker was always gone by January,either ran out of money or out of rhymes.

[wantitall4moi]

Yeah they had the 4 guys, mike anthony, then the big scandal when the guy with red curly hair was found out nOT to be the 'real' mike anthony, then ron bash, and kevin duffy, and stu fiener. Then stu got hisown show and took dufy or the coach with him and brought in a couple other meat heads. I think he has jeff allen for awhile or maybe it was jeff along with the guy who went to prison...price with the LV skyline behind them in spotlight spots.

Then there was proline with wayne root, feist, cokin and that other idiot and his smash mouth plays. cant remember his name now. Then there was the Duke, the curly haired guy. I have a good story about him I have shared on the forums before.

Also joe wiz had his own show with a couple guys with him.

So lots of good quality TV back in the early and mid 90s. I had Primestar satellite then so I was high end, so I got them all :P.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1XIM...eature=related

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Smash Mouth = Scott Spreitzer. He sucks.

Another one of my personal favs was (the now deceased) Mike Lee. Like Cokin, this guy actually did attempt to become a solid handicapper and made strides in that direction. Lee was notorious for wearing a wardrobe straight off the Goodwill suit line.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydp7j...eature=related

[ChuckyTheGoat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0oduT5qfI&NR=1

Is Brian = Kevin Duffy's son? Kevin Duffy = Stu's brother-in-law. Talk about pissing in the gene pool. Poor kid has DNA spliced w/ heroin.

[kmarinouofm]

Yeah they had the 4 guys, mike anthony, then the big scandal when the guy with red curly hair was found out nOT to be the 'real' mike anthony, then ron bash, and kevin duffy, and stu fiener. Then stu got hisown show and took dufy or the coach with him and brought in a couple other meat heads. I think he has jeff allen for awhile or maybe it was jeff along with the guy who went to prison...price with the LV skyline behind them in spotlight spots.

Then there was proline with wayne root, feist, cokin and that other idiot and his smash mouth plays. cant remember his name now. Then there was the Duke, the curly haired guy. I have a good story about him I have shared on the forums before.

Also joe wiz had his own show with a couple guys with him.

So lots of good quality TV back in the early and mid 90s. I had Primestar satellite then so I was high end, so I got them all :P.

tell us the duke story

[DustyRhodes]

Jack Price anyone? Johnny DeMarco? Classic.

[mr.inpak]

stu feiner is so pathetic if you google his name he said in writing that he couldnt control himself and went broke and now gets suckers to pay him money for his bogus picks

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Jack Price is in this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr60bjjdtCE

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Stu Feiner Interview

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November 2005


Stu Feiner.
Many people will remember him from his ridiculous gambling show called the Sports Advisors, which was on in the early 90’s and is sure to appear someday on VH1’s year in review. The Sports Advisors was highlighted by Stu Feiner having mini explosions every two minutes ranting and raving about how he was going to kick your Bookmaker in the teeth and it was ABSOLUTLY 100% FREE. Also, Stu Feiner was the basis for Al Pacino’s character in Two For the Money. So without further ado, here is our interview with The Source. (And yes this is a real interview!)

1. In the movie Two For The Money, the character Walter Abrams was based on you. How realistic would you say it was?

It wasn’t realistic at all. To be honest Al Pacino can’t hold my ****ing jock. When’s the last time he made a good movie? The story is based on a guy Brandon Link who came to work for me in 1991. He was making 8 dollars an hour before he met me. I flew him down to NY and he set up all my 900 numbers and was a great handicapper. We’d go into the city and spend $20,000 a weekend. Brandon left me in 1995 after going on a losing streak. He moved to California and became a caddy at the Riveria and wrote the movie script based on his life. The only scenes from the movie that are true is when I go to the GA meeting and people recognize me and threaten to rip my head off for giving them losing picks. That and I bought Brandon Link a Porsche when he came to work for me with a license plate that said 900 king. Everything else is bull shit. And I thought it was a crappy movie.

2. What’s your favorite gambling movie of all time?

Let it Ride with Richard Dreyfuss.

3. How did you get into this business?

Here is the story. My dad was a huge Raiders fan and was the type of guy who’d beat me if the Raiders lost. So naturally I grew up a Raiders fan. I remember before the Raiders played Jaworski’s Eagles in the Superbowl I saw a guy by the name of Ed Horitwitz go on NBC and say he developed a computer program to pick winners. It was basically always taking home dogs. Anyway he came on and said the Eagles were going to crush the Raiders. I said this guys a ****ing idiot and bet 600 bucks on the Raiders, which was like 6 billion back then for a kid in high school. Anyway, after Oakland freaking killed them I went to my dad and asked him for money to start my business. I said if this guy Ed Horitwitz can make money selling horrible picks, I can make money selling good picks

4. Here is the million dollar question. If you are as good as you claim to be with your picks why do you need to sell them?

This is the only way I can make money. When I bet on games I end up losing because I don’t have the discipline to stick to my system and my money management sucks. In fact I don’t bet at all because anytime I start betting I lose control. I bet on my favorite teams, games that are on TV, basically anything. I bet the board. Back in the early 80’s I was getting killed because I’d chase losses and bookies gave me credit and saw that I was an earner so they gave me unlimited credit. The result is that you chase losses and bet games you wouldn’t ordinarily bet. All gamblers are like this. I’ve never met a gambler who has made money. Everybody loses. Some people say they win but they’re lying. The best way for me to make a living was to quit cold turkey and only give away my cold calculated picks. And rooting for my picks is enough action anyway.

5. Why are you based in New York and not Vegas?

What’s the difference? I don’t bet games myself and if I wanted to I could do it online or through a bookie. It doesn’t matter where you are. Everything I need is right here.

6. What % of games should a pro handicapper hit?

You need to hit 60%. 6 out of every 10 games.

7. How has the internet affected your business?

It’s been huge. First of all online sports books are the best thing that’s ever happened to the gambling business. Everybody should need to have the money they want to bet in hand so they don’t lose their shirt. Bookies giving people credit is what ruins lives. People come crying to me about how they’ve lost their houses and their families. What do they want me to do? I tell them that they’re sick ****s and need a psychiatrist. But the bottom-line is this wouldn’t happen as much if people bet through off-shore sports books because they don’t give credit. That’s why people would be better off if the Government legalized gambling so you could walk up and place a bet in a convenience store.

8. Are there any sites you’d recommend?

Sportsbook.com advertises on my website. I’ve never heard anybody complain that they haven’t gotten paid.

9. How big is the sales aspect of your job? I’ve heard rumors that your guys are ruthless once they think they have a warm lead.

All of our customers have contacted us through our external marketing so it’s generally a pretty easy sale. People are looking for what we have.

10. How many guys do you have working for you?

I had about 250 guys in 1997. Now I have 18 handicappers, 10 writers and the rest is admin for a total of about 45 people. The internet is the reason we don’t have as many. Our score phones which were a big part of our business got 37 million calls in 1985. We’re down to 7 million this year because only old timers want to listen to 2 minutes of ads before getting the information when you can get it on the web.

11. I used to watch Sports Advisors as a kid. Do you stay in touch with the guys on the show, primarily Kevin Duffy and the Coach Ron Bash?

Duffy is my brother in law. He isn’t in the business anymore. He’s doing CC processing. As far as the Coach I haven’t seen him in like 6 years. He’s heavy into the horses. A BIG horse guy.

12. Did Ron Bash really swim with the Dolphins to get a vibe on who would win Dolphins games?

Yeah, he flew out to the Bahamas one year. I think he went to the Atlantis and jumped in with the Dolphins. And since he lived in Miami and had a good beat on them he incorporated it into his routine. I think he used to go to the track with Wayne Heisinger too.

13. Do people still recognize you from the show?

All the time. I’ll walk down the street and people will ask me to scream at them. So I give them the old 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE. It’s ABSOLUTLY A MORTAL LOCK and its 100% FREE! People eat it up.

14. Were you jealous of the Coach Ron Bash’s one to turn to gesture?

We used to bust his balls about that all the time but the thing about it is that it worked. Everybody remembered it and he gave good opinions.

15. What other handicappers do you respect the most?

Ah, good question. None. Everybody waits to see who I pick and then they follow me.

16. What’s your favorite sports book in Vegas and why?

Stardust is the line I use. That’s how I judge if I win or lose so I guess I’d have to say Stardust.

17. What is your opinion on exotic bets like teases and A+R’s?

They’re all sucker bets. The only way you can win is betting straight and still nobody wins. All gamblers are losers.

18. Do you have any betting strategies that you could recommend? For example should people always bet the same amount on every game?

My strategy is based all on going against public opinion. Anybody who says they have a proven handicapping strategy is bullshitting. There is no such thing. The only thing that works is going against the public.

19. Do you favor betting on any sports over others?

My favorite sport to bet is baseball. And I prefer the NFL over college football.

20. What’s the best part about the gambling business?

It’s the money I make. It’s a hard freaking business and I work hard but I enjoy the money.

21. What’s the worst part about it?

All gamblers are losers. So I deal with people who have lost their entire lives and want me to save them. But there’s nothing I can do.

[orioles]

Has this clown ever been locked up for tax evasion?

[donkdown]

any one got the videos of the kid that mocked him a few yrs back?? It was classic..

[donkdown]

tell us the duke story

LOL get some videos of the Duke up!! I LOVE 5 Games!!!

[donkdown]

My favorite was Dr Ron Bash. Anyone remember "The Coach"?

Yea he coached Jerome Kersey .. I pranked there office so much that the kids that answered the phone would make free Long distance phone calls for me to my gf that moved to Cali back then and leave me on after they left offices for the night.. this is when long distance calls were not cheap..

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I dare you to read this two-page post and not laugh:

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/forum...E=&STARTPAGE=1