Serves me right for not buying a point, from now on I'm buying a point for every fukkin NBA game, fukkin crooks out there!
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Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
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ramones951SBR MVP
- 12-23-08
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daimoshokageSBR Hall of Famer
- 02-07-11
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#143This guy buried PAULA
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ramones951SBR MVP
- 12-23-08
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#144^Comment -
rceneSBR MVP
- 12-28-12
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#145Jefferson gave it to Paula without any lubeComment -
keyboardingSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-30-09
- 6817
#146If Amir Johnson doesn't fall into Jefferson with 8 seconds left, I wonder if TOR fouls anyway.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#148Yes, you were on the wrong side of the fix. That game was fixed, they weren't trying to come back, they were making the score. The Raptors were down 4 with less than 30 seconds to go. I've watched the Raptors all my life, i've never seen Casey try to extend the game like that. Never. The spread was +6.5 they kept fouling until they were down 7 and then ****** off. Shit was fixed, Casey looked guilty as hell.Comment -
You mad broSBR Posting Legend
- 01-15-12
- 16641
#149Yes, you were on the wrong side of the fix. That game was fixed, they weren't trying to come back, they were making the score. The Raptors were down 4 with less than 30 seconds to go. I've watched the Raptors all my life, i've never seen Casey try to extend the game like that. Never. The spread was +6.5 they kept fouling until they were down 7 and then ****** off. Shit was fixed, Casey looked guilty as hell.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#150I can take my losses but that ending was fishy, even on one play Lowry pretended to be distracted looking at casey which basically allowed curry to go around him and Lowry fouled, then they started fouling every possession for what? Raptors dont even have decent 3pt shooters on the floor to come back. I've never seen Casey do that before. Game was fishy, spread was 6.5 they won by 7, books can't be that fukkin sharp, they brought that score in nice and easy like landing a plane. Always gotta buy a point with these fukks. I've slept all but 2 hrs......Comment -
You mad broSBR Posting Legend
- 01-15-12
- 16641
#151I can take my losses but that ending was fishy, even on one play Lowry pretended to be distracted looking at casey which basically allowed curry to go around him and Lowry fouled, then they started fouling every possession for what? Raptors dont even have decent 3pt shooters on the floor to come back. I've never seen Casey do that before. Game was fishy, spread was 6.5 they won by 7, books can't be that fukkin sharp, they brought that score in nice and easy like landing a plane. Always gotta buy a point with these fukks. I've slept all but 2 hrs......
Every NBA team fouls at the end of the game no matter on what kind of shooters they have ..
Also btw golden state shot 60% for most of the game and Toronto shouldn't even have been in the game .. But their rebounding did ..
Dont say a games fixed because u lost ur betComment -
leetreaperBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 10-23-10
- 34841
#152OP wins the most prestigious award on SBR - LOSER OF THE INTERNETS!Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#153Books are that sharp .. How many games u see end by a .5-2 points of the spread?
Every NBA team fouls at the end of the game no matter on what kind of shooters they have ..
Also btw golden state shot 60% for most of the game and Toronto shouldn't even have been in the game .. But their rebounding did ..
Dont say a games fixed because u lost ur betComment -
DaymanSBR High Roller
- 09-23-11
- 150
#154Percentages or not, Raps are down 4 with less than 30 seconds to go, thats like 2 possessions tops, fouling non stop until a combination of makes and misses by both teams until a 7 point spread seems like a fix to me, ESPECIALLY when Casey claims Raps were trying to make up the deficit and they left their best 3 point shooters on the bench, and they kept fouling Curry as if he's gonna miss ft's....so basically every trip down GS was getting 2 points and we were taking 2 point shots which the chance we could miss, not a great exchange of defense for offense....makes no sense. Then Raps were down 5 with 8 secs left, we miss another shot, we foul again with 5 secs...why? Makes no sense, when Raps faced the Bucs for their playoff lives they never fought so hard at the end of the game to "extend things", now in this meaningless west coast game, the raps are down 3 possessions and fouling right down to the last 5 secs of the game, moving a lead from 4 points to 7 just on constant fouls creating like 20 more possessions in the final 50 seconds, half of which was when Raps were down 5 with like 20 secs to go, they have no chance to win.......just seems fixed to me.
The game was not fixed...but I advise you to fade the raps the rest of the year or don't even touch their games. The coach is obliged to play players like Bargnani now in order to get his trade value up. With Bargnani in, teams are gonna score, and score a lot on the Raptors.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#155What happened at the end of the game should be criminal. Raps down 4 with 20 seconds, AND THE RAPS HAVE THE BALL and somehow they can't cover +6.5, that should be against the law, move the team to fukkin Mexico.Comment -
DaymanSBR High Roller
- 09-23-11
- 150
#156
It's a bad beat, move on to the next game. You shouldn't be gambling if you can't.Comment -
BranchDavidianSBR MVP
- 08-29-10
- 1014
#157Because you had Toronto +6.5, you seem to think Toronto should be trying to make sure that they come within that 6.5 margin. They are actually trying to win the game, and it does not matter to them if they lose by 7 or 1. Their coach is not going to lay down and take the loss when they are down 4 points with 30 seconds left --- to make sure that any gambler that bet on them ATS wins. Just like in every basketball game you watch, the team that is down by only a few possessions will foul to have a chance at winning -- you do understand that without fouling at the end of the game, Toronto has zero change of winning, don't you? I think if you had bet Toronto on the moneyline, your take on that last 30 seconds would be entirely different -- then if Toronto had played exactly as you wanted them to in that last 30 seconds, you would now be crying because Toronto didn't try to win at the end! ( Which would actually be a lot closer to criminal )Comment -
killersweetSBR MVP
- 12-02-08
- 1483
#158Check out their record since Bargnani's return from the injury. The guy is a curse for this team. When they get rid of him, their fortunes will turn around.Comment -
Jayvegas420BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 03-09-11
- 28213
#160You actually can't fade this cat because he takes both sides of the action. Just like the OP in this thread.
He makes his pick, then says fade him.
He does this so that win or lose he can claim that he was on the correct side of the wager.
What is most important to remember here is that there is in fact NO ACTION at all.
Bill Walters said it best.
This retard just manufactures units. He is not a sports bettor at all.
He doesn't have the bankroll or the intellect to sports bet.
This is all too apparent when you read his posts & consider his grammar, demeanor, and overall character.
If I had to guess I'd say he is an over weight, aesthetically unappealing, twenty something year old who posts from home on a PC because he doesn't interact with others in public very well. He's dying for attention that wasn't provided to him by his divorced, white trash parents & finds that attention here somehow, in these threads.
His handle will eventually fade into the abyss like all other ghosts on this site untill he rears his ugly face in the futer, posting losers and insulting board members, under a new handle.Comment -
William WaltersSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-17-11
- 6372
#161You actually can't fade this cat because he takes both sides of the action. Just like the OP in this thread.
He makes his pick, then says fade him.
He does this so that win or lose he can claim that he was on the correct side of the wager.
What is most important to remember here is that there is in fact NO ACTION at all.
Bill Walters said it best.
This retard just manufactures units. He is not a sports bettor at all.
He doesn't have the bankroll or the intellect to sports bet.
This is all too apparent when you read his posts & consider his grammar, demeanor, and overall character.
If I had to guess I'd say he is an over weight, aesthetically unappealing, twenty something year old who posts from home on a PC because he doesn't interact with others in public very well. He's dying for attention that wasn't provided to him by his divorced, white trash parents & finds that attention here somehow, in these threads.
His handle will eventually fade into the abyss like all other ghosts on this site untill he rears his ugly face in the futer, posting losers and insulting board members, under a new handle.
Jay.......I'd say you're spot on........except for one thing. Pauly said in another thread that his father is 83 years old. That puts this oddball in his mid fifties all day long.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#162If people actually watched the game, you'd know the ending was horseshit. Most of you are here talking out of your asses. I'm a RAPTOR FAN, i know WE HAD NO CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME. I know Casey is trying to win, but for penetrate sakes, down 3 its your ball, you have 30 seconds on the clock. You miss, Curry gets the ball we foul Curry, sinks two FT's, your down 5 now with like 20 second left and Raps have the ball, Raps try and score again, they miss foul again, Jack hits 1 out of 2, you're down 6 now with like 10 seconds left, Raps go up court and miss again and foul with like 4 seconds to go, penetrate offffffff. They were playing the spread...you can't convice me otherwise, if you're down 5 points, you can't keep fouling and exchanging a basket for 2 freethrows, you have to take 3's and you don't even have your 3pt shooters on the floor so what the penetrate are the Raptors really doing out there other than making the spread? Again, in games where we NEEDED to win, against Bucks, Wiz, we never played it out like that and those games MATTERED, this meaningless game and all of a sudden its like the NBA Championships out there with the constant fouls. The game was fixed for sure.Comment -
killersweetSBR MVP
- 12-02-08
- 1483
#163If people actually watched the game, you'd know the ending was horseshit. Most of you are here talking out of your asses. I'm a RAPTOR FAN, i know WE HAD NO CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME. I know Casey is trying to win, but for penetrate sakes, down 3 its your ball, you have 30 seconds on the clock. You miss, Curry gets the ball we foul Curry, sinks two FT's, your down 5 now with like 20 second left and Raps have the ball, Raps try and score again, they miss foul again, Jack hits 1 out of 2, you're down 6 now with like 10 seconds left, Raps go up court and miss again and foul with like 4 seconds to go, penetrate offffffff. They were playing the spread...you can't convice me otherwise, if you're down 5 points, you can't keep fouling and exchanging a basket for 2 freethrows, you have to take 3's and you don't even have your 3pt shooters on the floor so what the penetrate are the Raptors really doing out there other than making the spread? Again, in games where we NEEDED to win, against Bucks, Wiz, we never played it out like that and those games MATTERED, this meaningless game and all of a sudden its like the NBA Championships out there with the constant fouls. The game was fixed for sure.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#164I watched the game and I think it could be simply because Casey is still teaching the squad how to act on these situations (for future games). You know how coaches sometimes do pratice plays during regular games when the game is out of reach. I know it is bizzare the way some games end and definitely makes you question the game, but I still think it is hard to fix these games on regular basis. It is a tough beat yesterday for raptors backers no doubt.Comment -
Rone247SBR Sharp
- 02-01-12
- 385
#165I watched the game and I think it could be simply because Casey is still teaching the squad how to act on these situations (for future games). You know how coaches sometimes do pratice plays during regular games when the game is out of reach. I know it is bizzare the way some games end and definitely makes you question the game, but I still think it is hard to fix these games on regular basis. It is a tough beat yesterday for raptors backers no doubt.Comment -
keyboardingSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-30-09
- 6817
#166While I don't believe the game was fixed per se, I will say Toronto didn't do anything right with their last 4 possessions. Here's a breakdown of the last 4 possessions:
Lowry takes a deep trey and is lucky to be fouled.
Bargnani takes an off balanced, contested trey, misses horrible.
Lowry takes a turn around, fading trey while being covered by two defenders, misses terribly. Jefferson brings down the rebound and Amir Johnson stumbles into him, taking him to the line where he hits both and brings the spread back to 7. This is with 8 seconds left.
Last possession, Toronto brings it up court, run around the outside, pass to Gay who misses from about 4 feet beyond the three point line.
Considering 3 of those possessions (I think) were coming out of time outs, it's absolutely absurd to think any of those shots were drawn up plays. If you're down 5 with 40 seconds left there's absolutely no reason to force up contested, deep treys. None.
It's sad Johnson, who kept them in the game with offensive rebounding, might ultimately have accidentally fouled and let GS cover. I'm glad he did though, because if he didn't and some other fukking Raptor ran over and fouled Jefferson with 7 seconds left down 5 (implied 7 if you put Jefferson to the line) the accusations of a fix would have more merit. On top of all that, Toronto had GS in the penalty with 8 minutes left in the game and outright stopped driving. They also let Curry shoot way, way too many free throws.
For those who didn't watch the game it's ridiculous you are commenting. While LuckyCharms is a little overboard with his claims of a fix, he isn't completely wrong with something being very, very odd with how that fourth quarter turned out.Comment -
DaymanSBR High Roller
- 09-23-11
- 150
#167While I don't believe the game was fixed per se, I will say Toronto didn't do anything right with their last 4 possessions. Here's a breakdown of the last 4 possessions:
Lowry takes a deep trey and is lucky to be fouled.
Bargnani takes an off balanced, contested trey, misses horrible.
Lowry takes a turn around, fading trey while being covered by two defenders, misses terribly. Jefferson brings down the rebound and Amir Johnson stumbles into him, taking him to the line where he hits both and brings the spread back to 7. This is with 8 seconds left.
Last possession, Toronto brings it up court, run around the outside, pass to Gay who misses from about 4 feet beyond the three point line.
Considering 3 of those possessions (I think) were coming out of time outs, it's absolutely absurd to think any of those shots were drawn up plays. If you're down 5 with 40 seconds left there's absolutely no reason to force up contested, deep treys. None.
It's sad Johnson, who kept them in the game with offensive rebounding, might ultimately have accidentally fouled and let GS cover. I'm glad he did though, because if he didn't and some other fukking Raptor ran over and fouled Jefferson with 7 seconds left down 5 (implied 7 if you put Jefferson to the line) the accusations of a fix would have more merit. On top of all that, Toronto had GS in the penalty with 8 minutes left in the game and outright stopped driving. They also let Curry shoot way, way too many free throws.
For those who didn't watch the game it's ridiculous you are commenting. While LuckyCharms is a little overboard with his claims of a fix, he isn't completely wrong with something being very, very odd with how that fourth quarter turned out.
For the last point, I didn't watch the game but I've watched them all year and more importantly during this recent losing streak. Casey more often than not costs the Raptors wins due to his rotations and lack of knowledge with running plays on the offensive side. This game was not fixed, but poorly coached from the Raptors perspective.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#168Thanks Keyboarding for the vote of confidence and sorry everyone for ranting, you'd think i lost $1000. I'll take this loss and i'll be back, probably will redeposit tonight...lol. I was just fustrated last night and this morning, that loss just made me snap....just the way the game played out left me bitter.
I have no proof of cheating but if i had to answer for a million dollars if i thought SOMEONE associated with that game (coach, players, ref) had wagered money on the spread, my answer would be yes. My gut says yes...i may be wrong, i may lose the million but thats the answer i'd give.
And i'll add this, i KNOW i'm gonna catch heat over this, but when the lead hit to 7 with 5 seconds left, they panned the camera over to Casey and he was walking back to the bench, the camera went to his face for 2 seconds and he did the classic "pinch nose with the index and thumb twice", and he looked away, he looked so guilty.....lol I swear i'm not even lying he looked totally guilty of something. It's over now, i accept the loss but something was up, i'll never believe that game was straight.Comment -
killersweetSBR MVP
- 12-02-08
- 1483
#169There are odd endings to many games in the NBA. I have seen players fouling someone when they are down 8 and then after the FTs, they don’t even attempt a shot with time left on the clock. But I still think fixing games are hard. There may have been fixes in the NBA, but I don’t think you can do it regularly. As for the raptors, coach Casey has some strange substituting patterns and rotations and raptors fans are aware of that. If you go to raptors forums during in game chat, fans go nuts about the rotations. So I wouldn’t say I am surprised by yesterday’s ending in GST. Raptors have lost many close games early in the season thanks to Casey being outcoached by the opposing coach. </SPAN>Comment -
boeing powerSBR Hall of Famer
- 03-23-10
- 9698
#170Lucky ,
No fix in that game, I watched it with no money on the game.
craptors are just inept.Comment -
rfr3shSBR Posting Legend
- 11-07-09
- 10229
#171Raptors players never listen to their coaches, I sat behind their bench one game when Jay Triano was the coach they were getting pounded by the bulls in an essentially must win game, during the time out he told them to take the ball to the hoop and try to draw contact, no pull up shots
what do you think they do out of the timeout ? Brick a 3Comment -
tatddySBR Posting Legend
- 03-02-10
- 10779
#172I posted in The Giant's thread on this game and I said I'd be back with more later. I'll make this quick since speaking on regular season NBa games makes my soul hurt. I was at this game at Oracle sitting in the lower level and can say, with complete confidence, that there were shady happenings all game.
We use the term "fix" too loosely. Do I think there was a "fix" in this game? No. Do I think this game was manipulated by the refs all game to maintain control of the score? Absolutely 100%. I had already scouted the money/line movement and ref assignments before heading to this game so I was watching the entire time with a different set of eyes than pretty much everyone else at Oracle.
Here's what I posted on SBR during the game in Giant's thread....
I'll write more on this when I get home from this game. But it's absolutely amazing how much of a hand Brent Barnaky (ref #70) has had in this game.
3 subtle possessions he put his hand in which resulted in a 7 point game swing.
Look up his ref numbers. Home teams ATS are 8-27-1. Home teams straight up are 15-21.
Been watching him all game.
Edit. He just had his hand in it again. 8:02 mark.
Heading into the last 2 minutes of the game the foul call differential was glaring. I believe it was a 26-9 free throw attempt difference favoring the Raptors. No, they weren't earning these calls. It was clear what was going on.
Then we fast forward to the 2(ish) minute mark in the game. Warriors are up 10-12. Warriors probably could have easily been up 18-22 at this point if the momentum of the game wasn't being manipulated. Now all of a sudden this game turns into a free throw contest with a minute in a half left....with the game clearly in hand. This wasn't the volition of the Raptors coaching staff...this was all contrived to keep the score within a certain number.
Now in the end the Warriors covered....there was only so much the ref team could do. Ultimately the Raptors blew the cover (that was being gifted to them) by jacking up horrible 3 point shots on back to back possessions. Problem is the refs let this game get TOO close. Raps coaches thought they had a chance to actually win the game so they started fouling Curry (automatic makes) and jacking up 3s. If they were more keen to what was going on they'd have just driven to the lane every possession. They'd have got the calls and the game would have fallen between 4-6.
My bud and I were watching Brian Barnaky the entire game. The ref "meetings"...the calls, the no calls....it's truly an enlightening way to watch an NBA game.
Was this a fix? NO. Of course not. Was this game manipulated? Of course. Think about it...there is no better game for this type of activity. Late west coast game....2 struggling teams...virtually nobody watching outside of us goons who actually go to Warriors games on Monday nights.
I'm out...Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#173I was all set to let this go and you post this...
THANK YOU for sharing.Comment -
Luckycharms2012SBR MVP
- 10-07-12
- 2422
#175Comment
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