What was Laker excuse last night?

[lilb_swag]

Really good idea. That seemed to work in Orlando.

It carried a bunch of very average players to the NBA finals didn't it? I think it'll work maybe just a little bit better with 3 other allstars.

[upscope]

EXACTLY, this seasons roster isnt a bunch of dog shit you know. Like I said without him on the floor THIS team would have a winning record, I would lay -150 on it. Obviously cant, but if he goes down and this team suddenly rattles off wins like they did late last year when he wasnt around it would lend credence to it.

You mean to tell me that Gasol, Artest, Nash, and Howard with any stiff of the street as their 5th starter shouldnt have a winning record? With the trash teams the Lakers have played so far?

How about just last year? What was Lakers record without him?

I didn't think you would understand. Let me put it to you is simpler terms since you seem to struggle w/ the obvious & are blinded by your hatred for Kobe.

Lakers this season:

Offensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 113.5
Offensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 100.5

Defensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 106.3
Defensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 112.5

Net pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: +7.2
Net pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: -11.9

Net pts with Kobe on the floor: +146
Net pts without Kobe on the floor: -79

There are two parts to a basketball game. offense & defense. The above facts suggest that the Lakers are a better team both offensively & defensively when Kobe Bryant is on the floor rather than off of it.
These are definitive facts. They can't be argued. If you would be willing to bet & lay -150 that the Lakers would have a better record this year without Kobe you are either:

(A) The dumbest person I've ever come across in my lifetime
(B) The worst better I have ever come across in my lifetime

It's close but I'm going with (A)

[upscope]

How about just last year? What was Lakers record without him?

Your logic is flawed. You need an entire season (or possibly longer) to come to this conclusion not a 7 game sample size @ the end of a season when there are multiple variables in play to effect that tiny sample size.
Didn't the Heat win a game last yr that both LeBron James & DWade sat out? According to your logic the Heat obviously would have had a bettter record if LeBron & Wade sat the entire season out.

This yr didn't the Spurs lead wire to wire vs the World Champion Heat only to lose @ the last second eventhough T. Parker, M. Ginobilli, T. Duncan, D. Green, S. Jackson & K. Leonard all sat out?? Are you suggesting the Spurs are a better team w/o them?? That's what your logic is saying.

Would you like countless other examples of when a teams star sat out yet their team won??

[EmpireMaker]

Kobe played well below par last night and that's why they lost, period.

[wantitall4moi]

again logic flawed. kobe on floor or not on floor he is still there dictating how the game is being played when he is playing.


Unless he suffers a dramatic injury we wont ever know for certain. I just know that he has never ever made anyone better, and when you look at the guys the Clippers have, whom Kobe played with for more than a couple seasons theyre all much much better on the Clippers. Not to mention the other guys who have come and gone from the lakers. Hell Matt Barnes, Ronny Turiaff look like frigging all stars compared to when they plated for the lakers. Odom isnt in shape yet but he is getting better, and Caron Butler is better but I will caveat him because he has 6 more years of experience between then and now.

[Hench]

Sixers had their big guys in foul trouble early and D'antoni should have gone inside more.

[Eagles27]

Im not a Lakers fan (and I have very much enjoyed watching there predictable demise this season), but what I cant understand is why everyone keeps trying to blame the players, when the problem is with who ever decided to bring in Mike D. You have one of the oldest rosters in the NBA, and you are trying to implement a run and gun offense? This reminds me of the 2003 Oakland Raiders squad. Old as fack, as soon as Gannon got injured, season was over. Much like as soon as Nash got injured (the only guy familiar with this type of system), the Lakers got themselves in too big of a hole. End of the day, Lakers may or may not get the 7th/8th seed, but either way, Lakers are not winning a championship this year (or next year) with this squad. Time to start moving pieces and looking to next year.

[William Walters]

I didn't think you would understand. Let me put it to you is simpler terms since you seem to struggle w/ the obvious & are blinded by your hatred for Kobe.

Lakers this season:

Offensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 113.5
Offensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 100.5

Defensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 106.3
Defensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 112.5

Net pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: +7.2
Net pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: -11.9

Net pts with Kobe on the floor: +146
Net pts without Kobe on the floor: -79

There are two parts to a basketball game. offense & defense. The above facts suggest that the Lakers are a better team both offensively & defensively when Kobe Bryant is on the floor rather than off of it.
These are definitive facts. They can't be argued. If you would be willing to bet & lay -150 that the Lakers would have a better record this year without Kobe you are either:

(A) The dumbest person I've ever come across in my lifetime
(B) The worst better I have ever come across in my lifetime

It's close but I'm going with (A)

wanti the hooker loving freakazoid absolutely buried

[face]

not enough layups/screen passes/pick and rolls

too many brick 3's. lazy. poor coaching

[Goat Milk]

The Bulls shot the most fts every year in the league with Jordan and Pippen

guess it was rigged

idiot

[brainfreeze0]

[Justin3587]

[ATTACH]52216[/ATTACH]

Good one. I bet you have a lot of sex.

[brainfreeze0]

Good one. I bet you have a lot of sex.

wow that hurt. great comeback lmao

[YOUSENKO]

lol kobe cant even make free throws nowadays. Lakers era are over. Hiring one center who cannot make hook shots and one under .500 knicks coach with small team mentality.

[upscope]

Kobe played well below par last night and that's why they lost, period.

Dwight Howard goes 1-7 from the field & 5-10 from the line in a 4 point loss...
Pau Gasol goes 2-12 from the field in the same 4 point loss....

Yea you're right, it was Kobe's fault. Good thing Dwight & Pau played so well or Lakers lose by double digits...

The comments from some of you are so retarded some times it's actually comical.

[upscope]

again logic flawed. kobe on floor or not on floor he is still there dictating how the game is being played when he is playing.


Unless he suffers a dramatic injury we wont ever know for certain. I just know that he has never ever made anyone better, and when you look at the guys the Clippers have, whom Kobe played with for more than a couple seasons theyre all much much better on the Clippers. Not to mention the other guys who have come and gone from the lakers. Hell Matt Barnes, Ronny Turiaff look like frigging all stars compared to when they plated for the lakers. Odom isnt in shape yet but he is getting better, and Caron Butler is better but I will caveat him because he has 6 more years of experience between then and now.

So let me get this strait. You are saying Kobe is dictating how the game is played so when they lose it's his fault?? Is this correct?? That's funny because everyday u tell us how it was somebody else besides Kobe that deserves credit for his five rings. Very ironic how Kobe dictates the game & should be blamed for all losses. But when they win championships he doesn't get credit for dictating then.

You truly are a first rate moron that continues to put your foot in your mouth & show your lack of knowledge & basic understanding of the game of basketball. Stick to hockey or something like that because basketball is far beyond your knowledge/understanding capabilities.

L. Odom is better now than he was when he was 6th man of yr in LA
What a fukkin' genius u are.

[upscope]

Btw...it's Dirk Nowitzki not Dirk Nowinski

If that's not a dead giveaway for your lack of knowledge of the game then I don't know what is.

[Ratzz]

EXACTLY, this seasons roster isnt a bunch of dog shit you know. Like I said without him on the floor THIS team would have a winning record, I would lay -150 on it. Obviously cant, but if he goes down and this team suddenly rattles off wins like they did late last year when he wasnt around it would lend credence to it.

this is absolutely correct, i remember watching a game (LAK @ GS)Kobe took 41 shots...
only made 16..
outshot rest of starters combined.that should never happen in a professional game. ever.

that should only happen when a Donald Trump's son pays people to play with him.

They came back and won that game, because D'Antoni sat Kobe down for 5 minutes.. in the 4th. Qtr.
and in that 5 minute window, the Lakers magically almost erased 14 pt. deficit that was hanging over their heads for most of the game.

When he was out people came alive. When he is in playing Kobe-Ball,
nobody gets in a groove because they don't feel like a major contributor.
Kobe is the only one allowed to get warmed up.And he runs the show..
anybody can get traded or fired, when he just says the word, so people just stay quiet.

many have stated all along that this fantasy would never work, NOW kobe is finally absorbing this.. but is casting blame on age(at least he said "we")

Kobe knows... this recognizes the fantasy now. The Laker nightmare is coming soon7-8 more years of living in the basement.*Clips will have no probs attracting productive free agents for years to come..
CP3 and Blake are great for the 6-7 yrs easy (barring major injuries)

the Lakers have become old Clippers.*

[upscope]

this is absolutely correct, i remember watching a game (LAK @ GS)Kobe took 41 shots...
only made 16..
outshot rest of starters combined.that should never happen in a professional game. ever.

that should only happen when a Donald Trump's son pays people to play with him.

They came back and won that game, because D'Antoni sat Kobe down for 5 minutes.. in the 4th. Qtr.
and in that 5 minute window, the Lakers magically almost erased 14 pt. deficit that was hanging over their heads for most of the game.

When he was out people came alive. When he is in playing Kobe-Ball,
nobody gets in a groove because they don't feel like a major contributor.
Kobe is the only one allowed to get warmed up.And he runs the show..
anybody can get traded or fired, when he just says the word, so people just stay quiet.

many have stated all along that this fantasy would never work, NOW kobe is finally absorbing this.. but is casting blame on age(at least he said "we")

Kobe knows... this recognizes the fantasy now. The Laker nightmare is coming soon7-8 more years of living in the basement.*Clips will have no probs attracting productive free agents for years to come..
CP3 and Blake are great for the 6-7 yrs easy (barring major injuries)

the Lakers have become old Clippers.*

Hey dipshit, get your head out of Wanti's azz & site the hundreds of other cases where the exact opposite happened not the one case where it didn't. Like for example if Lakers are better w/ Kobe on the bench explain the facts:

I didn't think you would understand. Let me put it to you is simpler terms since you seem to struggle w/ the obvious & are blinded by your hatred for Kobe.

Lakers this season:

Offensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 113.5
Offensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 100.5

Defensive pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: 106.3
Defensive pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: 112.5

Net pts per 100 possessions with Kobe on the floor: +7.2
Net pts per 100 possessions without Kobe on the floor: -11.9

Net pts with Kobe on the floor: +146
Net pts without Kobe on the floor: -79

There are two parts to a basketball game. offense & defense. The above facts suggest that the Lakers are a better team both offensively & defensively when Kobe Bryant is on the floor rather than off of it.
These are definitive facts. They can't be argued. If you would be willing to bet & lay -150 that the Lakers would have a better record this year without Kobe you are either:

(A) The dumbest person I've ever come across in my lifetime
(B) The worst better I have ever come across in my lifetime

It's close but I'm going with (A)

Thank you.....come again & embarrass yourself w/ even more lack of understanding the way the real world works not your jealous raged world u live in where Kobe has been pissing in your eyes for more yrs than even u can remember!!

[upscope]

Dirk Nowinski

And this dumbazz wonders why he has no credibility

[Ratzz]

Hey dipshit, get your head out of Wanti's azz & site the hundreds of other cases where the exact opposite happened not the one case where it didn't. Like for example if Lakers are better w/ Kobe on the bench explain the facts:

I didn't think you would understand. Let me put it to you is simpler terms since you seem to struggle w/ the obvious & are blinded by your hatred for Kobe.

Thank you.....come again & embarrass yourself w/ even more lack of understanding the way the real world works not your jealous raged world u live in where Kobe has been pissing in your eyes for more yrs than even u can remember!!

look UPSCOPE, you are a Laker fan which means that you automatically have a low IQ and are intellectually challenged.
It is not your fault, it's no ones fault really. It is just 'life', and those are the cards some of us (you in this case) are dealt.

This Laker thing is dead currently, and will be dead for many, many years to come. There is nothing to do about it anymore.

Do you know how many players could be leading the league in scoring with that many shot attempts..

Kobe leads the league by a huuge clip (Shot Attempts), next guy is Westbrook (over 140 less).. and people get on him for shooting too much!!*Kobe is not great, he is flashy.. he always seems to have the energy for a spin-reverse-dunk, yet never to simply pass the ball to the open guy for the MORE open look shot/layup.

Lakers are bottom four team in Assists. Impossible to win without great ball distribution. The entire key to beating people is to keep the defense guessing.. how can you stop a team from scoring when you don't know what is coming or which of 2-3 guys will shoot?

With a Kobe team, it is all but answered. Lakers will:

A) make the playoffs and are OUT in 1st Round,
B) or do NOT make the playoffs at all.

those are your two choices this year. Choose wisely.

… and until you are in 2nd place in your Division, you should really shut the f\*\*k up.*
(this means shut up for 6 yrs. minimum.) starting now.*

[William Walters]

upscope..........don't waste your time with Ratshit..........guy openly admits that his two favorite teams are Oklahoma City and Miami. Go figure.

[upscope]

look UPSCOPE, you are a Laker fan which means that you automatically have a low IQ and are intellectually challenged.
It is not your fault, it's no ones fault really. It is just 'life', and those are the cards some of us (you in this case) are dealt.

This Laker thing is dead currently, and will be dead for many, many years to come. There is nothing to do about it anymore.

Do you know how many players could be leading the league in scoring with that many shot attempts..

Kobe leads the league by a huuge clip (Shot Attempts), next guy is Westbrook (over 140 less).. and people get on him for shooting too much!!*Kobe is not great, he is flashy.. he always seems to have the energy for a spin-reverse-dunk, yet never to simply pass the ball to the open guy for the MORE open look shot/layup.

Lakers are bottom four team in Assists. Impossible to win without great ball distribution. The entire key to beating people is to keep the defense guessing.. how can you stop a team from scoring when you don't know what is coming or which of 2-3 guys will shoot?

With a Kobe team, it is all but answered. Lakers will:

A) make the playoffs and are OUT in 1st Round,
B) or do NOT make the playoffs at all.

those are your two choices this year. Choose wisely.

… and until you are in 2nd place in your Division, you should really shut the f\*\*k up.*
(this means shut up for 6 yrs. minimum.) starting now.*

Rat what u still fail to realize & should have by now is the Lakers don't disappear for six yrs. They r a championship organization which means they don't rebuild.....they reload. It's loser organizations that cant attract talent & have no $$ to spend that disappear for 6 yrs. You should have honestly figured that out by now after all the times they pissed in your eye reloading in your lifetime but I guess there's no correcting dumb??

Do you know that Kobe is shooting 48% right now?? Do you have a clue?? There isn't one single team in the league.....not one that wouldn't accept their shooting guard leading the league in shots taken if they were told he was going to shoot 48%....Do you understand this or are you just trying to be xtra clueless today?? Let's repeat that....NOT ONE!!

Would you like Kobe to pass the ball more?? Do you even realize that he has led the Lakers in assist for 6 strait seasons?? Do you realize he is 2nd on the team this yr?? Do you realize that he is currently 3rd leading shooting guard in assist this yr & has reguarly led all shooting guards in assist for 15+ seasons?? That's not good enough for you?? You hold him in such high regard that you actually expect him to lead the league in assist or what??

And btw....another lesson for you so you might think twice before embarrassing yourself w/ a lack of knowledge for the game. When determining who leads the league in scoring they use avg not total points. He doesn't lead Westbrook by over 140 he leads by 102.....get a clue mmkay??
We're not talking about whether the Lakers make the playoffs or win the championship we are talking about whether they are better w/ kobe on the bench. You & Wanti are so jealous of the Lakers & Kobe's success that you actually say so <------lol....Do you have any idea how silly you make yourself look by saying stupid shit like that?? You're right....30.3p/5.4r/4.7a...48%fg 85%ft 1.5 steals should be on the bench

You couldn't possibly be any more clueless. Even if the Lakers did miss the playoffs & disappear for six years it was worth every second of it FIVE championships in 13 seasons. Bet you would trade 6 lost seasons for FIVE championships for your team huh??

And just to prove your lack of knowledge for the game even more you said "Lakers are bottom four team in Assists. Impossible to win without great ball distribution" Really?? The Lakers actually averaged fewer assist when they WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP in 09/10 you fukkin dumbazz.

Stick to hockey where you belong!

[wantitall4moi]

you fail to realize JERRY Buss isnt running the team anymore, JIMMY is. Jerry West is out of the league so he cant feed Lakers players anymore either. Not to mention there is another team in LA that has a much brighter future all around than the lakers. So the NBA doesnt feel the need to subsidize the lakers anymore either since they were the only team in town for years.

Lakers have an aging star who has been over paid and almost supplanted the team in popularity, once he is gone thats it. People arent going to come watch a bunch of scrubs play, and the chances of them getting anyone relevant is next to nothing.let alone enough guys to contend.

[upscope]

Yea, I know Wanti it sukks for Laker fans that they cant win the championship every single yr. Guess we'll just have to settle for 5 out of the last 12. Guess since the Clippers are better than the Lakers for the 1st time in 40+ yrs that the whole thing was a failure huh?? Can't believe how bad the Lakers have failed. In 40 yrs the Clippers have been better than them for a total of 1/3 of a season. What a failure the Lakers are.

This is what you r basically saying right now. Do you have even the slightest idea how stupid that makes you sound?? Jealousy of success makes people say some stupid shit. Congratulations on the Clippers being better than the Lakers for 1/3 of a season over the last 40 yrs that's some accomplishment pal~

[Catchn_Picks]

LAL: The most unpredictable team in the NBA right now, imo.

[Ratzz]

*Lakers have an aging star who has been over paid and almost supplanted the team in popularity, once he is gone thats it. People arent going to come watch a bunch of scrubs play, and the chances of them getting anyone relevant is next to nothing.let alone enough guys to contend.

the Lakers have allowed Kobe to accept all of the credit for their success and none of the blame for their glaring shortcomings..
the fact is that Shaq won the first three of the Kobe 5, (all of the Finals MVP went to Shaq)

and the last two were really won by Gasol, with tremendous contributions from Derek Fisher, Kobe needs a super dominant big man that grabs every rebound and shoots over 50% to get anything done it seems.

Kobe is potentially a great player that is mostly flashy.. Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics and Jordan's Bulls would kill the Kobe led Lakers..
his main concern is emerging with the most points and getting full credit for the win, not winning the game itself. If they lose, his chief concern is assigning blame away from himself.

"big boy pants" true leaders don't lead as such.

1) it would be impossible for the Lakers to compete seriously for a Championship without another notable scoring talent.
2) .. and it is impossible for them to acquire one with Kobe taking 35% of all shots.

an All-Star starting center that is shooting .563 FG% is averaging less than 11 Shots?
Shaq averaged over 19 FGAs/game in their 3 yr. run from 2000-'02

[upscope]

And you're the exact oppisite simply because Kobe has bitched you for more yrs than u can count & u hat him that bad.....everytime they lose its his fault but when they win it because of Shaq & Gasol.
why is it that Shaq gets credit for the first three rings because he was the Finals MVP but Kobe doesn't get credit for the next two eventhough he was Finals MVP??
is it because you despise Kobe & are jealous of his talent & success?? Cause that's what it sounds like??

[Ratzz]

And you're the exact oppisite simply because Kobe has bitched you for more yrs than u can count & u hat him that bad.....everytime they lose its his fault but when they win it because of Shaq & Gasol.
why is it that Shaq gets credit for the first three rings because he was the Finals MVP but Kobe doesn't get credit for the next two eventhough he was Finals MVP??
is it because you despise Kobe & are jealous of his talent & success?? Cause that's what it sounds like??

lol. i don't think you are a moron... i know it. *
conversely, you don't only think i am one.. you know it.

However, since our positions are diametrically opposed– then only one of us can be right.
Similar, i suppose to the Pauli Principle.
"Two things cannot occupy the same space at the same time." (Quantum Mechanics)

I say let's put it to the test.

Since we cannot remotely agree on Kobe or the Lakers..
even though i am cleeearly right (see NBA Standings),
we should create a head-to-head handicapping thread,
much in the same vein as Vyom and Goatmilk.

There really is no other way to settle it.
If you are smarter than i, you will correctly determine more picks,
and thus your words opinions will carry more weight, ratify your position.. and vice-versa.*

Calling people names, conjecture, bias... etc,
tends to offers rather hollow victories that are (at best) briefly recognized by one's cronies...
this is your opportunity to cement your case once and for all.

what do you say? this is your big chance to step up and prove yourself..*
instead of just hiding behind a bunch of Laker banners.*

[upscope]

Wait....so a handicapping contest decides who is right on the matter of whether a guy averaging 30.3p/5.4r/4.7a...48%fg 85%ft 1.5 steals should be on the bench??
Is this what I am understanding?? If you beat me in a handicapping contest then the Lakers are better off w/ Kobe on the bench but if I beat you then Kobe is better off in the starting line-UP??

Allthough that makes more sense then most of the things u say it still is about as senseless as it comes wouldn't u say??

[upscope]

U just said the Lakers won their last two Championships not because of Kobe but because of a strong contribution from Derek Fisher.
Fisher's contribution in the last two titles: 9.5p/3.0r/1.9a


But u fail to give Kobe credit for his strong contribution in the 1st three Championships instead giving all the credit to Shaq. Why is this??
Kobe's contribution in the first three titles: 28.2p/6.1r/4.8a

Isn't that a bit hypocritical or is this just u being "smart" & me being a "moron"

[upscope]

I actually don't think you're a moron. I just think you are saying moronic things not because you truly believe them but rather because of your personal disdain for Kobe Bryant. Wanti on the other hand is simply a strait UP moron. he doesn't even know who Dirk Nowitzki is yet he thinks he's the authority when it comes to basketball knowledge

[PAULYPOKER]

Lakers will win tonight.........

the public gave up on them.........

[wantitall4moi]

Lakers will win tonight.........

the public gave up on them.........

LOL yeah right

Lakers will close +2.5 at worst tonight, theyre 4.5 right now.

These are the nights I love I will be in the 100 section taking money from all the lakers fans who still have more money than brains. Every time I go to a laker/clipper game I make enough to more than pay for the seats (if I had to pay for them in the first place).

thinking people have given up on Lakers is laughable, they will never give up on them until Kobe leaves because everyone thinks Kobe will always score enough points to get the lakers a win.

[PAULYPOKER]

LOL yeah right

Lakers will close +2.5 at worst tonight, theyre 4.5 right now.

These are the nights I love I will be in the 100 section taking money from all the lakers fans who still have more money than brains. Every time I go to a laker/clipper game I make enough to more than pay for the seats (if I had to pay for them in the first place).

thinking people have given up on Lakers is laughable, they will never give up on them until Kobe leaves because everyone thinks Kobe will always score enough points to get the lakers a win.

Not a Laker fan,

in fact I hate them,

I fade them @ every possible chance,

tonight is not one of them.

tread lightly.............