BetOnSports.com BOSS Detained by FBI

**tacomax** · 07-17-06, 09:59 AM

Nice to see the FBI taking the BoS account thefts seriously.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

Nice to see the FBI taking the BoS account thefts seriously.

That would be really funny if it were not such a serious event

**Kimmy** · 07-17-06, 10:01 AM

My guess is that it's just a show of strength from US authorities - there's no way he can be held for more than a few hours. The legal guys will have him out by tonight.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy though

**Donny** · 07-17-06, 10:04 AM

lol good 1, finally they got the right guy

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 10:12 AM

Exactly Taco!

Probably BoS victims have ratted him out.

**Santo** · 07-17-06, 10:18 AM

It's more likely a sign that it would be advisable for those in the industry not to land in America any time soon

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Exactly Taco!

Probably BoS victims have ratted him out.

What is your comment going to be when it is Calvin they pick up? Seems to be he is a big contributor here financially speaking.

For a supposed watchdog in the online gambling industry, it is surprising to see you make light of such a serious event.

**tacomax** · 07-17-06, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by gotsteam

What is your comment going to be when it is Calvin they pick up? Seems to be he is a big contributor here financially speaking.

There's a big difference between the boss of a thieving operation being arrested and the Calvin's of the offshore world.

And I'm pretty sure that Calvin won't be getting picked up anytime soon. That's assuming he has a modicum of common sense of course.

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 10:33 AM

I'm not making light at all. I consider BoS part of the problem. BoS, Gary Kaplan and all the rest of the offshore thiefs are the reason Internet gaming should be regulated or banned. They do us no favors when they rip US players off who then complain to their congressman.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by tacomax

There's a big difference between the boss of a thieving operation being arrested and the Calvin's of the offshore world.

And I'm pretty sure that Calvin won't be getting picked up anytime soon. That's assuming he has a modicum of common sense of course.

With the Bodog conference coming up, it will be interesting to see whether he is picked up upon arrival or not.

The fact they detained Caruthers has nothing to do with slow pays, bonus policies or anything like that.

It is a plain and simple move to flex some political muscle, and if anyone is next, it is going to be Calvin, as he keeps himself so high profile, which makes him the ideal candidate for being made an example.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I'm not making light at all. I consider BoS part of the problem. BoS, Gary Kaplan and all the rest of the offshore thiefs are the reason Internet gaming should be regulated or banned. They do us no favors when they rip US players off who then complain to their congressman.

What kind of a moron complains to their congressman about not being paid their online gambling winnings?

Does this same person complain to their congressman when their coke dealer shorts their bag?

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 10:51 AM

So trading coke and dealing with a publicly traded internet sportsbook business is the same to you?

If you want to miss the point, you will... And yes, players complain when they get ripped off by unregulated offshore thiefs.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

So trading coke and dealing with a publicly traded internet sportsbook business is the same to you?

If you want to miss the point, you will... And yes, players complain when they get ripped off by unregulated offshore thiefs.

Spin Doctor,

I did not say they are the same, however, in the USA, they are viewed the same by the "regulators"/"authorities".
ILEGAL ACTIVITY.

Your comment seems to indicate that you believe all offshore sportsbooks are "unregulated offshore thiefs" to use your words.

Yet, you earn your living from these same "unregulated offshore thiefs"

So are your earnings the proceeds of crime??

That is an interesting position for you to take.

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 11:34 AM

We are player watchdogs and we have been watching Carruthers and BoS steal players money. Thats all that concerns SBR. They should pay back the recent thefts and stop stealing players money.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

We are player watchdogs and we have been watching Carruthers and BoS steal players money. Thats all that concerns SBR. They should pay back the recent thefts and stop stealing players money.

While I agree us players deserve nothing less than fair treatment from all books, I still find your position hypocritical.

You call all the offshore internet sportsbooks, and again I am using your words here, "unregulated offshore thiefs"

Yet at the same time, these "unregulated offshore thiefs" pay you to advertise them. So are you promoting "unregulated offshore thiefs"

Wouldn't that mean that you are aiding and abetting these so called "unregulated offshore thiefs"

Where is your integrity?

I wonder how your advertisers are going to feel about your opinion of them as being "unregulated offshore thiefs"

**Seattle Slew** · 07-17-06, 12:04 PM

I agree with gotstream 100 percent. The guy wasn't detained because of paying problems with customers. I don't think the U.S. cares about that. He was detained because he runs an off-shore book that has U.S. customers.

If this were a CEO of a top-notch book, the outrage would be more.

I still don't see how they can charge him with anything as a UK citizen.

Originally posted by gotsteam

That would be really funny if it were not such a serious event

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Seattle Slew

I agree with gotstream 100 percent. The guy wasn't detained because of paying problems with customers. I don't think the U.S. cares about that. He was detained because he runs an off-shore book that has U.S. customers.

If this were a CEO of a top-notch book, the outrage would be more.

I still don't see how they can charge him with anything as a UK citizen.

Well Seattle, maybe we will see some outrage here when it is someone like Calvin from BODOG.

But then again maybe not as he is also another "unregulated offshore thiefs" according to John.

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 12:34 PM

Your right... I dont care about those thiefs or what they are charged with. BoS should pay back the players they have robbed...period, end of report.

**bigboydan** · 07-17-06, 12:36 PM

lets not forget the timming of this arrest either. with this anti-gambling bill being discussed in congress right now, they could try and make an example of this guy.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Your right... I dont care about those thiefs or what they are charged with. BoS should pay back the players they have robbed...period, end of report.

It amazes me how you can refer to the 16 main sponsors on the top of these forums, along with the others you have revenue sharing agreements with as "unregulated offshore thiefs"

I have no idea whether your these "unregulated offshore thiefs" as you call them (SBR "advertisers") here read the forums or not, but.... if I was one of them, I would certainly not be renewing my advertising agreement after a comment like that.

"I dont care about those thiefs or what they are charged with"

I remember seeing somewhere, I think at peeps place that you were bragging about cashing a check for a hefty sum from betonsports.

Considering you earn from these "unregulated offshore thiefs" as you call them, I am wondering what does that make you? strange bedfellows indeed.

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 12:54 PM

Gosteam,
I referred to thiefs as thiefs. Of course you are here in Costa Rica and you, just like us, have to clear customs when we go back. So you feel you are on BoS's team. We dont. They are thiefs plain and simple. Call'em what they are and let the chips fall where they will.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Gosteam,
I referred to thiefs as thiefs. Of course you are here in Costa Rica and you, just like us, have to clear customs when we go back. So you feel you are on BoS's team. We dont. They are thiefs plain and simple. Call'em what they are and let the chips fall where they will.

You referred to offshore online sportsbooks as "unregulated offshore thiefs"

You have the right to your opinion, personally I dont agree

I believe many of the offshore online sportsbooks operate ethically and treat their customers with the respect and fairness they deserve.

What is truly funny is these same people you have such demonstrated hatred for, pay your bills.

As far as myself, I do not lump myself with BetOnSports, or any other organization, I do however believe that the US continually oversteps its boundaries and one of these days they will be taken down a notch

Remember it was not long ago when "the sun never set on the British Empire" and where are they today???

In the meantime it is nice that the people you call "unregulated offshore thiefs" are happy to pay you despite your blatantly disrespectful opinion of them. Reminiscent of biting the hand that feeds you.

I wonder what your opinion will be if they pick you up in the airport in Texas on the way to CR or the Philipines for aiding and abetting in the online gambling business, and profiting from what they call illegal activities.

RICO?

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 01:17 PM

It could happen, its always a risk for guys like you and me and everyone else in this business.

Its hardly a secret how we feel about the books and vice-a-versa. Who says we have to like them or they have to like us? We do our job and if you are a bookie that screws a player we want to be your worst nightmare and usually are. BoS gets no sympathy here. We have a list of players they have screwed for over $500,000. As soon as they are paid check back.

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

It could happen, its always a risk for guys like you and me and everyone else in this business.

Its hardly a secret how we feel about the books and vice-a-versa. Who says we have to like them or they have to like us? We do our job and if you are a bookie that screws a player we want to be your worst nightmare and usually are. BoS gets no sympathy here. We have a list of players they have screwed for over $500,000. As soon as they are paid check back.

This is what is confusing

In this very thread you called all the books "unregulated offshore thiefs"

Yet your site says nothing about them being "unregulated offshore thiefs", in fact you recommend some over others.

So your recommended list is a list of recommended "unregulated offshore thiefs"
???

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 01:33 PM

You get very easily confused. I said guys like Kaplan, Carruthers and books like BoS are thiefs.

Its easier to be confused when one runs low on material and needs to be creative...

**gotsteam** · 07-17-06, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You get very easily confused. I said guys like Kaplan, Carruthers and books like BoS are thiefs.

Its easier to be confused when one runs low on material and needs to be creative...

No one is being creative as you say

You referred to several book operators and "the rest of the "unregulated offshore thiefs"

Since all of the books here in CR are offshore and unregulated you are referring to them too.

To be clear, what is confusing to me is how you can refer to these people as thieves while cashing large checks from them BOS included!

It is encouraging and confidence instilling I am sure for the readers here to learn of your ethics

**SBR_John** · 07-17-06, 02:05 PM

~snore~ gosteam my costa rican buddy, get some new material.

Meanwhile,
This would be a great time for BoS to re look at these recent player theft cases. Players who wanted to start a law suit against BoS thru Carruthers know where to serve him

.