More Proof that John Calipari can only win when they have absurd talent.

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  • ChalkyDog
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    • 10-02-11
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    #1
    More Proof that John Calipari can only win when they have absurd talent.
    The guy is not a great coach. He is a great recruiter and manager of talent. But unless his team is loaded, top to bottom with NBA talent - he struggles. Always has, always will.

    I will say it again. Worst UK team since he arrived. Noel as the best recruit in the nation was nothing but a joke.
  • good_money
    SBR Sharp
    • 09-17-12
    • 253

    #2
    Thats how most colleges work. Get the big name coach so he can get the big name players. Look at Arkansas trying to get Les Miles. Or Tennessee and John Gruden.
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    • Vegas39
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      • 09-22-11
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      #3
      Irish fans chanting overrated
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      • good_money
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        • 09-17-12
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        #4
        what did the line close at?
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        • Vegas39
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          • 09-22-11
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          #5
          Originally posted by good_money
          what did the line close at?
          nd was -1 to 1.5 depending on book here
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          • rm18
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            • 09-20-05
            • 22291

            #6
            Really it is not lack of talent but experience that makes this team different, last years team had a senior and 2 sophomores who are in the NBA as returning players and this team only returned one player(Wiltjer) who played at all and he did not play much. Noel is overrated maybe but Polythress or however you spell it actually might be the best freshman in the nation? Probably still 5 NBA players on the team
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            • ttwarrior1
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              • 06-23-09
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              #7
              kentucky wasnt supposed to win
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              • rm18
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                • 09-20-05
                • 22291

                #8
                Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                kentucky wasnt supposed to win

                Well preseason they were top 5 and ND was nowhere they already were exposed before tonight
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                • Chi_archie
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                  • 07-22-08
                  • 63172

                  #9
                  UK got their asses kicked!
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                  • pulledclear
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                    • 02-19-12
                    • 6684

                    #10
                    He is awful against the spread even with a good team learn your lesson and move on. Last year they were 16-23 vs the line and at one point lost 14 in a row ATS!!!! They are 0-3 thus far and im gonna ride against till she bucks me. GL
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                    • CollegeOverUnder
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                      • 10-20-10
                      • 5520

                      #11
                      UK isnt bad yes its the worst UK team he has coached but they are still good players
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                      • rm18
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                        • 09-20-05
                        • 22291

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pulledclear
                        He is awful against the spread even with a good team learn your lesson and move on. Last year they were 16-23 vs the line and at one point lost 14 in a row ATS!!!! They are 0-3 thus far and im gonna ride against till she bucks me. GL

                        0-4 the Morehead St. games was lined
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                        • ChalkyDog
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                          • 10-02-11
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                          #13
                          That talent really isn't there. The only player that is "Kentucky good" on this roster is Archie Goodwin. Hell, there isn't a single player on that roster outside of Goodwin that I would look at if I was an NBA GM.

                          Noel is one dimensional and is a mental midget when it comes to bball IQ. On defense he plays out of place simply so he can cherry pick blocks. On offense, he wants and thinks he is a goddamn guard. His complete fundamentals are so shaky, it is hard to build on.

                          I'd take Mitch McGary every single freaking day over Nerlens.
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                          • Mr. Doughnut
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                            • 09-16-11
                            • 690

                            #14
                            As much as I dislike UK, give them some time. Man, most of this team was playing HS ball this time last year.
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                            • MUHerd37
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                              • 10-23-09
                              • 12816

                              #15
                              UK is young and soft. If these guys stick around they will be good. Bunch of freshmen on the road against a pretty good team with 5 returning starters.
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                              • Mr. Doughnut
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                                • 09-16-11
                                • 690

                                #16
                                Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                UK is young and soft. If these guys stick around they will be good. Bunch of freshmen on the road against a pretty good team with 5 returning starters.
                                I don't know what you mean by stick around. WCS, Noel, Goodwin, and Poythress are all as good as gone when the year's done.
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                                • MUHerd37
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                                  • 10-23-09
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Mr. Doughnut
                                  I don't know what you mean by stick around. WCS, Noel, Goodwin, and Poythress are all as good as gone when the year's done.
                                  Yeah that's the problem. They won't stick around. They aren't near as good as last year's players. To have 1 or 2 stick around for another year would be good.
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                                  • J_smiff
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                                    • 09-06-12
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Mr. Doughnut
                                    I don't know what you mean by stick around. WCS, Noel, Goodwin, and Poythress are all as good as gone when the year's done.
                                    Not WCS, and maybe not Noel. But Goodwin and Poythress for sure are. So if the Harrison twins aren't complete studs like Davis and Wall then this will be a rinse and repeat type thing for UK.
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                                    • J_smiff
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                                      • 09-06-12
                                      • 643

                                      #19
                                      But hey, at least he has Wiltjer for another 2 years!!
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                                      • PAULYPOKER
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                                        • 12-06-08
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                                        #20
                                        Nah,John Calipari can only win when 68% the public isn't pounding his squad.........................


                                        11/29/2012 7:00 PM EST
                                        505 KENTUCKY 134o08 135 135 134.5 134.5o20 135 135o08 135 135
                                        506 NOTRE DAME -1 -06 -1.5 -1.5 -1.5 -1 -1.5 -1.5 -2 -1.5
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                                        • Wilfred
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                                          • 08-19-12
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                                          I'd take Mitch McGary every single freaking day over Nerlens.
                                          What a random thought. McGary looks completely lost at Michigan right now just so you know.
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                                          • Mr. Doughnut
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                                            • 09-16-11
                                            • 690

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by J_smiff
                                            Not WCS, and maybe not Noel. But Goodwin and Poythress for sure are. So if the Harrison twins aren't complete studs like Davis and Wall then this will be a rinse and repeat type thing for UK.
                                            All 4 are projected Top 15 picks. And no offense to any UK fans reading, but the players Cal recruits (and even his pitch) is about getting them to the NBA and not playing for UK.
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                                            • You mad bro
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                                              • 01-15-12
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                                              #23
                                              exactly why he will never be on coach k's level
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                                              • coop
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                                                • 08-11-11
                                                • 616

                                                #24
                                                this is a pretty ridiculous statement

                                                do you think he is a great recruiter simply because he walks into kids houses with a smirk and half a thing of hair gel on? he's a great recruiter because he has developed a system, style of play, and culture that caters to one-and-done kids and helps them showcase their talents for the NBA. Of course he will struggle if he's got nothing but a bunch of young puss bags
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                                                • J_smiff
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                                                  • 09-06-12
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Wilfred
                                                  What a random thought. McGary looks completely lost at Michigan right now just so you know.
                                                  Not at all. He plays a little out of control at times, but when he slows down you see the kind of stud he can and will be. He has gotten better in every game I've seen them play. By the time conference play rolls around he will be a major contributor.
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                                                  • OnMyGrind26
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                                                    • 11-22-12
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                                                    #26
                                                    you do realize that ND was 40-1 in the past 41 games prior to this game? jeez man freshman vs. seniors in that environment....what do you expect
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                                                    • UKCODY83
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                                                      • 08-06-12
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                                                      #27
                                                      A little biased being that I am a Kentucky fan but if you don't think these kids will be a force come march you're insane,Harrow really does need to quit being a puss because we need someone to run the show.
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                                                      • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                                        • 04-04-11
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                                                        That talent really isn't there. The only player that is "Kentucky good" on this roster is Archie Goodwin. Hell, there isn't a single player on that roster outside of Goodwin that I would look at if I was an NBA GM.

                                                        Noel is one dimensional and is a mental midget when it comes to bball IQ. On defense he plays out of place simply so he can cherry pick blocks. On offense, he wants and thinks he is a goddamn guard. His complete fundamentals are so shaky, it is hard to build on.

                                                        I'd take Mitch McGary every single freaking day over Nerlens.
                                                        Can fu-ckin KY make a shot outside 2 feet? All these priks want to do is dunk.
                                                        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                        • You mad bro
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                                                          • 01-15-12
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                                                          #29
                                                          highlight reel thats all they want


                                                          Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                                                          Can fu-ckin KY make a shot outside 2 feet? All these priks want to do is dunk.
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                                                          • Inkwell77
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                                                            • 02-03-11
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                                                            #30
                                                            Cal is a horrible college basketball coach, no doubt, but he knows how to get kids in the nba and that is what matters to these kids (as it should)

                                                            Good college basketball coaches would run a much different offensive system with Kentucky's talent and go 30-3 every year. The fact that he losses as much as he does with that talent is kind of amazing. The offense is almost impossible to watch.
                                                            What he does with Wiltjer is a travesty. Guy should get 25+ a game easily, but the "system" Kentucky uses is about as bad of a set as you could design for a player like that. He is probably not a NBA player, but he could easily score 25 a game with his offensive skills if he was in a system that catered to moving without the ball.
                                                            Cal coaches kids to get good at an NBA type of game (Driving and scoring, man-to-man defense, pick and roll)
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                                                            • dnguyen258
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                                                              • 11-27-12
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                                                              #31
                                                              Uk will be very good by February hands down
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                                                              • freeVICK
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                                                                #32
                                                                Cal can recruit that's about it
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                                                                • PAULYPOKER
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by dnguyen258
                                                                  Uk will be very good by February hands down
                                                                  They would be much better with hands up, wouldn't ya think?..........
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                                                                  • Ratpack
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                                                                    • 02-15-12
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    but if you look at his track record yeah he gets them to the nba but what has any of those guys done in the nba. Yeah they have all been drafted high but none of his guys have made any all star teams or really contributed on winning teams. I remember a couple years ago how jodie meeks came back to speak to some of the kids and he told them that he wished he stayed and told them they should stay as long as they can. Too bad the players dont look at the whole picture and stay to develop their skills to become better players and just look at receiving a quick paycheck.
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                                                                    • HoulihansTX
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      ADD: Roy Williams, and Rick Barnes to this list.
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