Non-Pro Complaint!

[PAULYPOKER]

Put it this way if you have no confidence in yourself to win $200 worth of merchandise in the SBR store,

you need to stay non-pro,

assume the position and shut your mouth because it is not Walker's fault you are a loser................

[marcojuiceman]

Put it this way if you have no confidence in yourself to win $200 worth of merchandise in the SBR store,

you need to stay non-pro,

assume the position and shut your mouth because it is not Walker's fault you are a loser................

Im a Loser for not contributing $200, but I bet well over that on a Daily Basis *you cannot make this stuff up* Wouldnt it make sense for me to get my own TAX write -off on $200

[PAULYPOKER]

Are we talking just Sports Forums?? Tech,Political,Car,Truck,Job and a lot more
Because I can point to alot that give out items to their dedicated contributing members without spending $200 just to become one..
SEO is the Key for any online business.. Also why dont SBR get rid of purchasing Google and BING placement ads and then tell me how that would work out for them

Links please

[secretstash]

Im a Loser for not contributing $200, but I bet well over that on a Daily Basis *you cannot make this stuff up* Wouldnt it make sense for me to get my own TAX write -off on $200

u could think of it more as that you are too cheap to pay a membership fee as well

or that you DONT donate to charity on your own ever anyway

-stash

[PAULYPOKER]

Im a Loser for not contributing $200, but I bet well over that on a Daily Basis *you cannot make this stuff up* Wouldnt it make sense for me to get my own TAX write -off on $200

Well if this is the case why would you complain about a points program worth 5 cents on a dollar per point?

[PAULYPOKER]

Im a Loser for not contributing $200, but I bet well over that on a Daily Basis *you cannot make this stuff up* Wouldnt it make sense for me to get my own TAX write -off on $200

By the way my post was not directed at you personally but since you felt it was, I don't know what to tell ya................

[allabout the $$$]

u could think of it more as that you are too cheap to pay a membership fee as well

or that you DONT donate to charity on your own ever anyway

-stash

whatever anyone does with their own money on their own time is their own business.

how about if i want to spend MY money the way i want?

[marcojuiceman]

u could think of it more as that you are too cheap to pay a membership fee as well

or that you DONT donate to charity on your own ever anyway

-stash

Me Cheap" you mean i run a Tight Budget.. It would be funny once we are complete with my Dollar Retail store that i kick out everyone who didnt buy anything or say You are not welcomed because you are too cheap to spend over a certain amount of money.. how would you think my business would do ???

[marcojuiceman]

Well if this is the case why would you complain about a points program worth 5 cents on a dollar per point?

Actually im just pointing out the Obvious when a Biz owner doesnt welcome its long term Non-Pro contributors (exclude me) with open arms it shows the attitude of that business...
Hey havent you heard about the enoroums BOL complaints and the they are still a Great Book BS from SBR...

[allabout the $$$]

ok so i have a question if a non pro signs up with a sportsbook through an sbr link does sbr get kickbacks from that even though we are non pro?

ill answer that for you YES so dont make it like non pro's have no value to the site.

and all of these posters who are donating points to charity do they get a reciept or can sbr say they did it and take the points and not donate money? this is a real scumbag industry and you never know what people can or will do

waiting for an sbr higher up to come in and respond

[shari91]

I didn't get 5000 points for going pro though? |

The points have the exact same value. Yes, you need to deposit $200 to use them fully but that doesn't change the value of them. If a non-pro transfers me points, nothing changes. They are still the same points with the same value.

Like you say they have no value until they go Pro... So what, they're just holding value? They're still the exact same points.

Even if you don't go Pro, you can still get merchandise at the same price Pros do.

I must be missing something obvious here. I get that without receiving money, it's stupid for SBR to allow people to buy stuff. But what stops a non-pro from transferring all their points to a Pro? Or what stops them from cleaning out the t-shirts and hats?

No you can't get merchandise as a non Pro. You can get one SBR tshirt and one SBR Cap. That's it. Nothing else until you go Pro.

Yeah a year or two ago we had a few non Pros who thought it was cute to cash in points to buy 8 shirts and sell them on ebay to God knows who. Can't happen any more. One shirt, one cap = done. After that your points are worth nothing.

You do not "get" 5k points when you become a Pro. If you have 5k+ points when you turn Pro, 5k will be carried over. Anything after that is lost. And since you can only buy only tshirt and one cap, you may as well quit trying to earn points after you reach 5300.

A non Pro can transfer you 2pts a day in a 24hr period. When someone comes to the Store we evaluate everything about their account. If some random non Pro account is diligently transferring 2pts a day to a Pro one, chances are there will be some issues when you're waiting for your purchase to arrive.

End of the day, people who respect what SBR is offering get a hell of a lot out of this forum. Those who don't, that's cool but they're not going to benefit on SBR's or their loyal posters' dime either.

[secretstash]

Me Cheap" you mean i run a Tight Budget.. It would be funny once we are complete with my Dollar Retail store that i kick out everyone who didnt buy anything or say You are not welcomed because you are too cheap to spend over a certain amount of money.. how would you think my business would do ???

how long would ur business last if everyone just window shopped and looked around and left without buying?


-stash

[marcojuiceman]

how long would ur business last if everyone just window shopped and looked around and left without buying?


-stash

In this Economy people wouldnt window shop if they wanted to save money besides spending tons of money on Gas, Food and getting Taxed to Death.. the govt has to pay off the $16 trillion debt some kind of way

[shari91]

waiting for an sbr higher up to come in and respond

I apoligise mate... didn't even see your question before. And I'm not a higher up obv so I'm not sure you even care what I have to say but I'll try.

But yes, if you click a link through here and sign up for an SBR book then you're linked to SBR, Pro or Non Pro. Same as any other forum, whether sports betting, poker, casino, horse racing related. It's not like it's a big secret. I don't think anyone who works here has ever said non Pros don't hold any value. This site was founded on people before there was a Pro program or even a points system. Without everyone contributing this could've been the next xxx. Nice effort, thanks for coming out. Instead during a time where there were a couple of decent sized forums, SBR offered something different for those who maybe can't/won't shell out big bucks on every bet or just want rewards. And because it was the first (and I think only properly functional) program in the gambling industry it's taken a lot of tweaking. There was no gameplan to follow. No one to just copy what they did and implement it. That's why I quietly chuckle but more so my heart goes out to other forums who say they're going to attempt the same thing. They have no bloody clue how difficult it is. Not only from the technical side but from the manpower and repelling the scammers side too. This type of program attracts every lowlife out there. Seriously... when I've been in a good mood in poker I've told the guys some random stories of those who've tried to scam us. Sometimes with 50+ armies.

Either become a Pro or not. The people who work here at least think no differently of anyone regardless... even of those who adamantly refuse to click an SBR link. This place is great because of the sum of every part...no one's opinion or presence is less valuable based on a Pro tag. Yeah you'll miss out on certain things but if you don't think they're important to you and you still choose to come here knowing you'll never be able to cash out? I personally think that shows that you truly want to be here and you're not here just for 'stuff'. To each their own.

[PAULYPOKER]

In this Economy people wouldnt window shop if they wanted to save money besides spending tons of money on Gas, Food and getting Taxed to Death.. the govt has to pay off the $16 trillion debt some kind of way

Every non-pro here is a window shopper,

you don't see Walker showing them the door do you?

[marcojuiceman]

Stash and Pauly Poker I have no Beef with you Guys at all, I just try to point out the Obvious when it comes to Business..
Also i have zero plans on becoming a Pro (tried it long time ago) I try to represent the ppl when a business or political party is showing there Flaws

[allabout the $$$]

I apoligise mate... didn't even see your question before. And I'm not a higher up obv so I'm not sure you even care what I have to say but I'll try.

But yes, if you click a link through here and sign up for an SBR book then you're linked to SBR, Pro or Non Pro. Same as any other forum, whether sports betting, poker, casino, horse racing related. It's not like it's a big secret. I don't think anyone who works here has ever said non Pros don't hold any value. This site was founded on people before there was a Pro program or even a points system. Without everyone contributing this could've been the next xxx. Nice effort, thanks for coming out. Instead during a time where there were a couple of decent sized forums, SBR offered something different for those who maybe can't/won't shell out big bucks on every bet or just want rewards. And because it was the first (and I think only properly functional) program in the gambling industry it's taken a lot of tweaking. There was no gameplan to follow. No one to just copy what they did and implement it. That's why I quietly chuckle but more so my heart goes out to other forums who say they're going to attempt the same thing. They have no bloody clue how difficult it is. Not only from the technical side but from the manpower and repelling the scammers side too. This type of program attracts every lowlife out there. Seriously... when I've been in a good mood in poker I've told the guys some random stories of those who've tried to scam us. Sometimes with 50+ armies.

Either become a Pro or not. The people who work here at least think no differently of anyone regardless... even of those who adamantly refuse to click an SBR link. This place is great because of the sum of every part...no one's opinion or presence is less valuable based on a Pro tag. Yeah you'll miss out on certain things but if you don't think they're important to you and you still choose to come here knowing you'll never be able to cash out? I personally think that shows that you truly want to be here and you're not here just for 'stuff'. To each their own.

i respect and appreciate your response thank you my real beef was john said in an earlier post that non pro points are not worth anything to sbr and i took it as non pros really dont do anything for the site. this is a business absolutely and us as non pros who cant use our points would like to donate them to a good cause so yes sbr would take a small hit but im pretty sure that sbr has never not taken the kickback of a non pro signing up with a sponsor book through this site just because they were a non pro.

[GOIRISH]

Nobody would buy an sbr shirt on ebay, that has gotta be the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

[shari91]

Nobody would buy an sbr shirt on ebay, that has gotta be the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

haha that's what I thought. And then I saw people buying this stuff. And coasters. Not sure why anyone would care or if they were confusing SBR with another place when they were bidding but it blew my mind.

[shari91]

i respect and appreciate your response thank you my real beef was john said in an earlier post that non pro points are not worth anything to sbr and i took it as non pros really dont do anything for the site. this is a business absolutely and us as non pros who cant use our points would like to donate them to a good cause so yes sbr would take a small hit but im pretty sure that sbr has never not taken the kickback of a non pro signing up with a sponsor book through this site just because they were a non pro.

I'm not going to presume to speak for John but non Pro points really are useless. SBR has tried relentlessly to engage with many charities - some I admit selfishly that are very important to me - and they want nothing to do with us. Or they don't have the infrastructure to handle the donations through a 3rd party site. But to be honest usually it's because the words "sportsbook" and "gambling" come up in any search of SBR. Not hard to understand why charities are leery I guess although it pisses me off. And unless SBR implemented a system of 'let's see if you clicked an SBR link, deposited, etc' then there's no way to distinguish between non Pros. So your donation might only cost SBR $1 because you've loyally supported SBR by joining and depositing into books through those links. Someone else's (ie 99.9%) will cost the full amount for SBR because they've never gambled a cent. Some people gamble nowhere but in the SBR book. Others signed up for books elsewhere. Or just on their own. That's the trouble with that. So the rules are made simple - Pro = some extra perks. Non Pro = still valued but we can't do much money wise for you. Especially not with the number of hits we've taken with scammers. At least becoming Pro is a small way to try to discern between everyone.

[allabout the $$$]

if they are so useless then why give them to non pros? we cant use them so just give them to the pros

[PAULYPOKER]

if they are so useless then why give them to non pros? we cant use them so just give them to the pros

Because if a non pro can accumulate SBR points he/she should be wise enough to see the value in them................

[allabout the $$$]

Because if a non pro can accumulate SBR points he/she should be wise enough to see the value in them................

ok but by only giving them to pro's would give people a reason to turn pro. we can debate this all day and im too tired. i come to sbr because i enjoy the site and i would come here wether there were points or not so no need for me to donate any $$$$

[PAULYPOKER]

ok but by only giving them to pro's would give people a reason to turn pro. we can debate this all day and im too tired. i come to sbr because i enjoy the site and i would come here wether there were points or not so no need for me to donate any $$$$

The only way this could be a donation is if the donator is a losing gambler because you get 60 cents a day($219 per year which is already +EV return on investment) worth of points for free to invest in the sports book............

[allabout the $$$]

The only way this could be a donation is if the donator is a losing gambler because you get 60 cents a day($219 per year which is already +EV return on investment) worth of points for free to invest in the sports book............

yes you are right because most of the guys here are winning gamblers thats why so many sportsbooks are going out of business its a +ev proposition. pauly if i put in my 200 and just collected my points and never played them the 19 profit isnt really worth tying my money up for a year.

id rather give my son who is in college the 200

[RogueScholar]

So if non-pro points have no value, why do they exist?

Why can you buy items with them?

Why can you carry over 5000 non-pro points when you go pro if they don't have the same value?

They exist for the same reason that cocaine and heroin dealers will get someone high for free who has never done the drug before.

SBR sells (and attempts to glamorize) an activity that alters your brain chemistry just as profoundly as any of the world's most addictive substances. Awarding a small amount of worthless points to non-Pros allows them to pre-screen new members for their susceptibility to behavioral addiction and then funnel the most "promising" people into affiliate sportsbooks for revenue, primarily through the sponsored contests in concert with the Pro system.

It's important to remember that everything SBR does has been carefully thought out to manipulate you into a series of decisions which will almost always benefit them and occasionally ruin a life or two. As with any successful business, they are handsomely rewarded for an above-average skill at this process. To me, they've seldom been better described than they were here:

90% of the guys dont give a shit about your problems..and the other 10 are glad you have them..

That being said, companies with such motives have been and will continue to be around us forever. It's not their responsibility to care about your well-being, that's your job. If you're reading this and feel that you might be getting "sucked into" gambling more than is healthy, don't ignore the problem. Thanks to modern science we have arm-loads of studies proving that gambling is no less addictive than heroin, complete with physical withdrawal symptoms when you try to quit. You're not weak or defective to admit that something that acts so profoundly on your brain might be gaining some power over you.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I'm very thankful for everything I've learned in my 5+ years here with you, as well as the friends, enemies and frenemies I've made along the way. I would've rather given you all a winning 8-team parlay for this holiday, but I'm afraid this post was the best I could do to give something back.



References:

Archives of General Psychiatry

Biological Psychiatry Journal

[PAULYPOKER]

yes you are right because most of the guys here are winning gamblers thats why so many sportsbooks are going out of business its a +ev proposition. pauly if i put in my 200 and just collected my points and never played them the 19 profit isnt really worth tying my money up for a year.

If you consider $200 as a tie up,well then the $200 holds to much value for you to risk in this high risk venture, so you are right by saying this is not worth it for you to go pro...........

[allabout the $$$]

If you consider $200 as a tie up,well then the $200 holds to much value for you to risk in this high risk venture, so you are right by saying this is not worth it for you to go pro...........

im all seriousness i will wipe my ass with 200 i personally just dont want to or have to become a pro. imo its not worth it. when you quoted me you left out that i would rather give my son the 200. ive got 3 kids im sure they can use my 200 more than sbr can

[PAULYPOKER]

im all seriousness i will wipe my ass with 200 i personally just dont want to or have to become a pro. imo its not worth it. when you quoted me you left out that i would rather give my son the 200. ive got 3 kids im sure they can use my 200 more than sbr can

Do you gamble?

[allabout the $$$]

Do you gamble?

LOL yes i gamble. go ahead and tell me that my kids can use that money instead i was using the 200 as a point.

[PAULYPOKER]

LOL yes i gamble. go ahead and tell me that my kids can use that money instead i was using the 200 as a point.

So was I, the $200 is far less of a gamble than your actual gambling..............

[allabout the $$$]

So was I, the $200 is far less of a gamble than your actual gambling..............

absolutely correct but im not into giving someone (sbr) 200 to do something that im going to do for free anyway. what so i can get a pizza or an i pad? if i want one i will just go buy it.

[hels]

Anyone who doesn't see a $200 investment turning into $219 within a year as a good thing you probably should never invest your money.

9.5% return on a business that has some risk in investment (this is the internet and online gambling/forums) can never be completely trusted in the USA.

Anyways, the 9.5% is just a start to your return. You get 2 trivia/week and some holiday poker tournies for free. You can easily add another $20 or up your gain to 19.5% ROI.

To any experienced gambler this is an excellent return.

[allabout the $$$]

Anyone who doesn't see a $200 investment turning into $219 within a year as a good thing you probably should never invest your money.

9.5% return on a business that has some risk in investment (this is the internet and online gambling/forums) can never be completely trusted in the USA.

Anyways, the 9.5% is just a start to your return. You get 2 trivia/week and some holiday poker tournies for free. You can easily add another $20 or up your gain to 19.5% ROI.

To any experienced gambler this is an excellent return.

see for a small thinker like yourself yes i can see where you would be happy with a 19 or 50 return over a year good for you now you talk about that return i will go to the bahamas on new years dont pay for my room and only a portion of my airfare. enjoy a vacation come back home with 24 cartons of cigarettes and 12-15 bottles of liquor and make a 1000 profit for going on a vacation that will cost me out of pocket 400. (that doesnt include my gambling money though) and thats a hit or miss but even if i lost 600 gambling i went on a 5 day vacation a new years eve party and had a blast if you ask me thats +ev living

[PAULYPOKER]

absolutely correct but im not into giving someone (sbr) 200 to do something that im going to do for free anyway. what so i can get a pizza or an i pad? if i want one i will just go buy it.

Gift cards for everyday shopping needs at stores such as Target,Walmart,Lowes,ToysRus,Amazon,Best Buy,Staples,Office Depot,ETC...........