Why is Heritage taking so much heat?

[Justin3587]

Dual lines, I get it. But really, dual lines should not affect your performance very much if you know what you're doing. To be completely honest I have not had any issues with Heritage at all. They payout, and the customer service is good. Let's face it every book does something to give themselves some sort of an edge.

[ngates815]

Some people like to get the best number possible when betting.

Some people like to pick the winning side when betting.

Option 1 is the only way to win longterm in gambling, even if you go 100-0 when using option 2.

[Justin3587]

Some people like to get the best number possible when betting.

Some people like to pick the winning side when betting.

Option 1 is the only way to win longterm in gambling, even if you go 100-0 when using option 2.

Understandable, but that is why you deal with more than 1 book.

[MBENZ]

When one of their biggest nuthuggers(Fishhead)starts bellyaching about payouts,it's time to take a closer look.

[richsox24]

When one of their biggest nuthuggers(Fishhead)starts bellyaching about payouts,it's time to take a closer look.

Agreed

[jjgold]

Nothing wrong with books

All we want is them to admit they do it

[MonkeyF0cker]

It's shady and dishonest. Not only do they deny that they do it, but they lure in prospective bettors with their "public" lineset. Why would you trust sending your money to someone who blatantly lies to your face?

[CarpeDime]

if i had a book i would deal 4 line sets:

- the "sharp" lines
- the "joe public" lines
- the "total moron" lines
- and then I would have a fourth special line set that I would call the "*palm to the face* omg YOU LOSER" line set

[looneytunes]

When one of their biggest nuthuggers(Fishhead)starts bellyaching about payouts,it's time to take a closer look.

saw he posted on EOG awhile back that they wouldnt let him play in there free contest anymore? As for all this dual lines stuff, wasn't this all started by the one and only Abehonest "what do you mean I don't get bonuses on my fee's". Think I'll hold back any criticism until I actually see something that shows this to be true. Had very few issues since I was transferred over.

[edawg]

Also had nothing but good experiences with Heritage although this book does seem to have very tight risk management.

[uncynd]

justin, do you really see nothing wrong with two sets of lines? Is this something MGM does? Is this something Pinnacle does?

I'm sorry its just that in my experience the sportsbooks I observe executing this kind of strategy have not traditionally been the most honorable places to commit action.

"But really, dual lines should not affect your performance very much if you know what you're doing."

This sort of market manipulation on behalf of the sportsbook only benefits the sportsbook. Until funds are easy to withdraw and move between sites again this hurts everyone. Some sites have low fees and fast payouts but this does not traditionally seem to be the case with heritage and sadly this also describes most other online sportsbooks.

[tatommack]

everyone wants the best line if im getting pitt for -5 and you are getting it for -7 that doesnt bother you?

[RonPaul2008]

Heritage is a great book.

[cloverfield]

Dual lines, I get it. But really, dual lines should not affect your performance very much if you know what you're doing. To be completely honest I have not had any issues with Heritage at all. They payout, and the customer service is good. Let's face it every book does something to give themselves some sort of an edge.

You have to understand it's like anything else in life.. People looooooooooove to bitch. If you look at the first 2 pages here almost every popular book has a bitch thread. Also people will bitch about ANYTHING. Fishhead had an issue with one payment...via check. Now you can find PLENTY of books that had issues regarding checks in the U.S. It's nothing new.. but people who hate a certain book will harp on Heritage's issue with it because they can.

2-3 of the people in this thread are regulars in the "Cory(Scammer) thread on Heritage that has 62 pages of posts" so that's why they are bitching about Heritage..they have an agenda. You have to do your own research and read between the lines. I've been playing with them literally since the move from BetJM and I've had NO real issues. Sometimes the CS agents dont know what they are doing, but management has handled it every time and quickly. If they sent me a check and I had issues with it..I understand it happens and I wouldn't be bitching about it in a thread unless they refused to handle it. Some people get their panties in a bundle and come here first.. It doesnt mean that the book is bad..it means they had a problem with ONE PAYOUT VIA CHECK in the course of their account.

You have to worry more about the issues than the complaint threads themselves. Look at what the complaints are about:
1) a scammer tried to hit them for multiple royal flushes that his "mom" played
2)their casino is rigged
3)someone didn't get a bonus ON THEIR DEPOSIT fees (yes this really happened)
4)a check was late/not valid (this happens via almost any book over time)
5)the deal dual lines (from what people are saying)

there is nothing above that should scare you about the book if you're just a normal average bettor. If you partake in any of the above Heritage is not the book for you. I've also been a part of 5Dimes for many years and people bitch about them over and over and over (only legitimate issue is the website being down on busy days that I've had experience with). People love to bitch man and when someone does.. people love to pile on.

I've had the same experience as you..they have been awesome and I haven't had one issue..but then again I don't attempt shady things, I don't attempt to scam them, I accept that there could be payment issues, I don't play in the casino, etc.

[boatboatboat]

everyone wants the best line if im getting pitt for -5 and you are getting it for -7 that doesnt bother you?

Stop always betting Favs.

if you are dealt a +/- on a game that SHOULD be a 5, take the +7.

Damn folks, use duel lines to your advantage. It's not like they are giving you -7 and +5, on the same game.

[RaleighDevil]

This is a Heritage thread, so let me inject this mystery.

I log in, go to the straight bets and see lines. I go to the parlays but don't see anything. I return to the straight bets and don't see anything. The teasers work. It's not the first time this has happened in the past week. I am not a big time player, so it's not like I''m taking much of their money. What is going on?

ETA: Just tried it again with the same result: one look at the straight bets page. So, I try to send a message via messenger but that doesn't work because they want me to select a subject. And there is only "select a subject" on the drop list. Therefore, I can't send the message. I have an email address. Does it work with the .com suffix?

[looneytunes]

This is a Heritage thread, so let me inject this mystery.

I log in, go to the straight bets and see lines. I go to the parlays but don't see anything. I return to the straight bets and don't see anything. The teasers work. It's not the first time this has happened in the past week. I am not a big time player, so it's not like I''m taking much of their money. What is going on?

ETA: Just tried it again with the same result: one look at the straight bets page. So, I try to send a message via messenger but that doesn't work because they want me to select a subject. And there is only "select a subject" on the drop list. Therefore, I can't send the message. I have an email address. Does it work with the .com suffix?

Lines are showing up for me. Messenger works as well- "select subject" gives you a drop down that allows you to choose which dept. used it yesterday for an issue, great feature.

[lecubs28]

because they've turned into a chit book just like all the others?

[MBENZ]

I'd be careful saying too much negative about Heritage.JJ got put on post review by Shari over the thread he started that got hard deleted.

[richsox24]

I'd be careful saying too much negative about Heritage.JJ got put on post review by Shari over the thread he started that got hard deleted.

Being put on post review for saying something negative about a sponsor book. When did sbr become therx??

[RaleighDevil]

Lines are showing up for me. Messenger works as well- "select subject" gives you a drop down that allows you to choose which dept. used it yesterday for an issue, great feature.

Not a techie, but I switched from Firefox to IE. It works fine, but doesn't answer the underlying issue.

I did get a quick response by their support:"You may want to try updating your flash player and/or deleting your cookies to
see if that would help."

Thanks go to the poster and the support staff.

[ABEHONEST]

saw he posted on EOG awhile back that they wouldnt let him play in there free contest anymore? As for all this dual lines stuff, wasn't this all started by the one and only Abehonest "what do you mean I don't get bonuses on my fee's". Think I'll hold back any criticism until I actually see something that shows this to be true. Had very few issues since I was transferred over.

Nice observation and taken out of text, comment. You need to read more before sticking your head where it doesn't fit!

[ABEHONEST]

You have to understand it's like anything else in life.. People looooooooooove to bitch. If you look at the first 2 pages here almost every popular book has a bitch thread. Also people will bitch about ANYTHING. Fishhead had an issue with one payment...via check. Now you can find PLENTY of books that had issues regarding checks in the U.S. It's nothing new.. but people who hate a certain book will harp on Heritage's issue with it because they can.

2-3 of the people in this thread are regulars in the "Cory(Scammer) thread on Heritage that has 62 pages of posts" so that's why they are bitching about Heritage..they have an agenda. You have to do your own research and read between the lines. I've been playing with them literally since the move from BetJM and I've had NO real issues. Sometimes the CS agents dont know what they are doing, but management has handled it every time and quickly. If they sent me a check and I had issues with it..I understand it happens and I wouldn't be bitching about it in a thread unless they refused to handle it. Some people get their panties in a bundle and come here first.. It doesnt mean that the book is bad..it means they had a problem with ONE PAYOUT VIA CHECK in the course of their account.

You have to worry more about the issues than the complaint threads themselves. Look at what the complaints are about:
1) a scammer tried to hit them for multiple royal flushes that his "mom" played
2)their casino is rigged
3)someone didn't get a bonus ON THEIR DEPOSIT fees (yes this really happened)
4)a check was late/not valid (this happens via almost any book over time)
5)the deal dual lines (from what people are saying)

there is nothing above that should scare you about the book if you're just a normal average bettor. If you partake in any of the above Heritage is not the book for you. I've also been a part of 5Dimes for many years and people bitch about them over and over and over (only legitimate issue is the website being down on busy days that I've had experience with). People love to bitch man and when someone does.. people love to pile on.

I've had the same experience as you..they have been awesome and I haven't had one issue..but then again I don't attempt shady things, I don't attempt to scam them, I accept that there could be payment issues, I don't play in the casino, etc.

Another bucket-head that doesn't know what he's talking about. So, I'll run this cartoon back for
you. You deserve it. Another thing, what type of members stick up for a Book under, seemingly, credible suspicions?
These kind:
"

[Dark Horse]

I'd be careful saying too much negative about Heritage.JJ got put on post review by Shari over the thread he started that got hard deleted.

Quite a leap from SBR John's 'anything goes' intent for this forum.

Just goes to show how hyper sensitive Heritage is to negative publicity. Back to damage control. We also see raiders reintroduced into the Corey thread. Funny sh*t.

[prop]

I'd be careful saying too much negative about Heritage.JJ got put on post review by Shari over the thread he started that got hard deleted.

This is why they're taking heat. They are typical Costa Rican B- type book that forums have protected for the past 8 or so years. Also they have an entire army quick to their defence whenever needed, and also there for a recommendation when opportune. Exhibit 1: 188Bet not rated. Exhibit 2: SBO is rated A-. Any time a few posters snap out of trance and say wait how is this book A, they take heat. Happens all the time, just Heritage's turn in the rotation.

Edit to add: Read their betting rules if want a legit reason to give them heat. Also note this wasn't the first negative Heritage thread that has been deleted.

[cloverfield]

Another bucket-head that doesn't know what he's talking about.

This coming from a guy who wanted Heritage to give him a BONUS on the fee amount that they already credited for him...and was the laughing stock of his own thread.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1895082-merky-water-concerning-heritage-apparently-resolved.html

Abe "The Chronic Complainer" Honest

Justin- This is exactly what I was talking about..these are not even true complaints.

Edit: Oh Lookie here!!!! another complaint today by Abe "Nothing is ever right" Honest: http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1946770-does-your-book-allow-mistaken-plays-corrected-like-one-played-minute-ago.html?slf=68

[MonkeyF0cker]

You have to understand it's like anything else in life.. People looooooooooove to bitch. If you look at the first 2 pages here almost every popular book has a bitch thread. Also people will bitch about ANYTHING. Fishhead had an issue with one payment...via check. Now you can find PLENTY of books that had issues regarding checks in the U.S. It's nothing new.. but people who hate a certain book will harp on Heritage's issue with it because they can.

2-3 of the people in this thread are regulars in the "Cory(Scammer) thread on Heritage that has 62 pages of posts" so that's why they are bitching about Heritage..they have an agenda. You have to do your own research and read between the lines. I've been playing with them literally since the move from BetJM and I've had NO real issues. Sometimes the CS agents dont know what they are doing, but management has handled it every time and quickly. If they sent me a check and I had issues with it..I understand it happens and I wouldn't be bitching about it in a thread unless they refused to handle it. Some people get their panties in a bundle and come here first.. It doesnt mean that the book is bad..it means they had a problem with ONE PAYOUT VIA CHECK in the course of their account.

You have to worry more about the issues than the complaint threads themselves. Look at what the complaints are about:
1) a scammer tried to hit them for multiple royal flushes that his "mom" played
2)their casino is rigged
3)someone didn't get a bonus ON THEIR DEPOSIT fees (yes this really happened)
4)a check was late/not valid (this happens via almost any book over time)
5)the deal dual lines (from what people are saying)

there is nothing above that should scare you about the book if you're just a normal average bettor. If you partake in any of the above Heritage is not the book for you. I've also been a part of 5Dimes for many years and people bitch about them over and over and over (only legitimate issue is the website being down on busy days that I've had experience with). People love to bitch man and when someone does.. people love to pile on.

I've had the same experience as you..they have been awesome and I haven't had one issue..but then again I don't attempt shady things, I don't attempt to scam them, I accept that there could be payment issues, I don't play in the casino, etc.

You don't attempt shady things... like winning.

[shari91]

I'd be careful saying too much negative about Heritage.JJ got put on post review by Shari over the thread he started that got hard deleted.

Absolutely false. I can't put ANYONE on post review let alone JJ. He's not even on pr.

Stick with the facts please when attempting to slam me. Thanks.

[Smoke]

Shari I need a hug

[prop]

This coming from a guy who wanted Heritage to give him a BONUS on the fee amount that they already credited for him...and was the laughing stock of his own thread.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1895082-merky-water-concerning-heritage-apparently-resolved.html

Abe "The Chronic Complainer" Honest

Justin- This is exactly what I was talking about..these are not even true complaints.

Edit: Oh Lookie here!!!! another complaint today by Abe "Nothing is ever right" Honest: http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1946770-does-your-book-allow-mistaken-plays-corrected-like-one-played-minute-ago.html?slf=68

LOL you want to pick apart his past post history regarding Heritage. I suggest anyone reading Cloverfield's post start with the last page in his post history and scroll through it. He seriously must be Heritage Sports #1 fan. Seriously it's only 6 pages of history. Start here

[jjgold]

I will slam any book I want

A lot of jerkoffs work at Heritage

Heritage in cahoots with Sports Options

[boatboatboat]

Heritage in cahoots with Sports Options

JJ I asked in another thread what you meant by this?

Details please.

[uncynd]

Let me just clarify if your bankroll is around $200-$500 your opinion matters! but not right now to a person like me.

I've been doing this for a while.

I've never seen the caribbean so shady in 10 years across the board...makes me ask two questions; What caused this change? Why do I risk significant amounts at any book in the caribbean given this undeniable lack of integrity from books who operate in the region?

[ABEHONEST]

This coming from a guy who wanted Heritage to give him a BONUS on the fee amount that they already credited for him...and was the laughing stock of his own thread.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1895082-merky-water-concerning-heritage-apparently-resolved.html

Abe "The Chronic Complainer" Honest

Justin- This is exactly what I was talking about..these are not even true complaints.

Edit: Oh Lookie here!!!! another complaint today by Abe "Nothing is ever right" Honest: http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1946770-does-your-book-allow-mistaken-plays-corrected-like-one-played-minute-ago.html?slf=68

This guy needs to get his head out of the clover, caus', evidently, you can't read, so why are you even attempting to write? Probably one of those young fools who thinks he's smarter than the average

He's not!

[prop]

Let me just clarify if your bankroll is around $200-$500 your opinion matters! but not right now to a person like me.

I've been doing this for a while.

I've never seen the caribbean so shady in 10 years across the board...makes me ask two questions; What caused this change? Why do I risk significant amounts at any book in the caribbean given this undeniable lack of integrity from books who operate in the region?

Question #1: The timelines goes something like this:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/18098-its-all-over-online-gambling-banned-thread-06-a.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/28396-founder-bos-arrested.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/24100-two-neteller-founders-arrested-today.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/23798-pinnacle-exits-us-market.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1035926-full-tilt-pokerstars-ultimate-bet-seized-govt.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/poker/1089607-bookmaker-dsi-8-others-have-been-seized.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1175514-betjamaica-closed.html

In between those was a bunch of other processors getting snagged, sites closing, gambling sites having funds seized etc. The reputable companies have moved on. It's mostly an industry for criminals now. Many sites that were considered shady before are concerned best now due to the lack of options. Is a couple legit bookies left, but really the industry's leaches have become the most popular brands.

Question #2:

All a matter of risk versus reward.