Banker throwin darts at the NFL (all season!)

[jinxpro13]

lol,,you went from "hard" to switching sides? that curious..... do tell, i mean im not in love with them as i said if Gather was playing i prob be on them for more but im putting a lot of faith in a nitwit (norv turner) to act right and realize rivers be on his ass if they try and run bunch of long developing routes that they typically do,,sd wins if mathews gets 25 touches, hand it off, pass it, dont give a shit just get him the rock against these lbs, preferably let your oline push dline around some as im pretty firm on believing you gotta run on den for several reasons.. whether norv cooperates is anyone's guess, but seeing how sd has a pretty good track record against manning id assume he knows this...

man, thats exactly what I was thinking all week, and in the end, I don't trust norv at all.
I really see this game being a coin toss and coming down to one crazy play or FG one way or another... don;t wanna waste my money betting on that.
I see really good value in the 1st half ML for the broncos. I got em as underdogs there at sportsbook. You know the broncos are gonna do everything in their power not to have to make a comeback once again this week. I dunno, just better value there for me. did a straight up bet and parlayed it with seattle +7 on thursday which I am in bieber-love with.

[jinxpro13]

i dont like matthews tonight.. and dont think hell even go for 75 yards ... if that happens Denver will be in this game.
ive been wrong before ill be wrong again but ive been hot with these props

[jinxpro13]

.....bc of the public %s websites and line movement 2dabank, DUH!

b a smartass and reply for me more

[2daBank]

only way he doesnt go for 75 is if norv doesnt let him,,den isnt gonna stop him...

[2daBank]

ok u2 play nice,,,please dont turn thread into all the other bs around here...thanx..no need to respond..

[MR.HARRYtheHAT]

!!!!! Minnesota Square heads will lose by 3 1/2 from J.J. Bacas Power Stat Rating!!!!

!!!!! Minnesota Square heads will lose by 3 1/2 from J.J. Bacas Power Stat Rating!!!!
I really don,t like to bet Monday night football games of which who ever is playing.I personal think the spreads are always over in flat-ed with bookmakers.However after my win with Bucks and press situation[Press one time on 2nd win and will go back to a Original bet after the press Win Or Lose... One Bet at time ...You can't win? if you don,t press once.I believe my record does speak for itself as the single strongest winning formula I use in my NFL game prediction].I can't pass this divisional game up!!!! J.J. Bacas power rating one of best in NFL betting 75% predictive power rtg division rating has Charger at 10.2 verse Minnesota 6.7 with advantage 3 1/2 points to chargers regardless of home team advantage. A more disappointing factor,absolutely no running game with Vikings offense.Chargers got a run-game which the Broncos will have troubles with.Manning can throw the ball however with out a running game established he will trouble with the play action pass all night.However,the Chargers running game is average looking at 125+ yards,once they have it established the run,Rivers have more time with quick release short passes to score.I.am going with J.J.Bacas on this one!! Chargers+1

[Smutbucket]

lmao. mrharry minnesota aint playing tonight....

jynx It was a joke, relax, sorry you took it personally, I feel the need to lighten the mood all the time in these forums but forget sometimes that its not easily interpted with typed words.

[jinxpro13]

as was my response smut. its all good.
as for the game.. ready to hang myself.. couldnt be more wrong
denver special teams fumbles away two returns? really?

[Smutbucket]

ya its been all over ESPN, sure you know, denver been down BIG like every game, but still been on the comeback, think us "sharps" might still have a chance....

[jinxpro13]

ya its been all over ESPN, sure you know, denver been down BIG like every game, but still been on the comeback, think us "sharps" might still have a chance....

dropped a desperate denver +13.5 bet @ halftime.. crossing fingers

[Smutbucket]

ya I pounded them at -4.5, 2nd half. check out my thread, feel free to throw in your input, its in the college football betting forum "SB and Friends. Thread"

pointed out that SD o line will probably struggle, and professed my love for peyton ;-) ha

[jinxpro13]

wow.... just wow...

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26912201	2012-10-16 04:27:52 AM	DENVER @ SAN DIEGO / WIN MATCH INCLUDING OVERTIME / DENVER @ 8.80	CLOSED	WON	STRAIGHT BET	5CAD	44CAD
16115951	2012-10-16 04:23:18 AM	DENVER @ SAN DIEGO / HANDICAP -13.5 / DENVER +13.5 @ 2.86	OPEN	PENDING	STRAIGHT BET	15CAD		42.90CAD
84956237	2012-10-16 01:41:12 AM	DENVER BRONCOS @ SAN DIEGO CHARGERS / MONEY LINE / DENVER BRONCOS @ 1.87	OPEN	PENDING	2 TEAM PARLAY	20CAD	0CAD	71.38CAD
84956237	2012-10-16 01:41:12 AM	SEATTLE SEAHAWKS @ SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS / POINT SPREAD / SEATTLE SEAHAWKS @ 1.91 (7)	OPEN	PENDING	2 TEAM PARLAY	20CAD	0CAD	71.38CAD

[Smutbucket]

banker, your dick aint even a little hard after watching peyton do that? lol

mccoy and fox know how to win

[jinxpro13]

so who we on this week bank?
im all over seattle +7 and wanna take the 9ers ML.
may go large on both these bets.
also love the under, but I hate betting totals more than betting CFL... gonna roll with that 1st half under for sure

early leans for sunday are wash +6.5, pit -1, TB +3

[Smutbucket]

I just got done looking at this game so Ill throw in my 2 cents, ,

49ers -7 or maybe tease with under but Im more confident in 49ers, heres why, first off seahawks are overperforming, 2 wins they got thru a lot of "game-breakers" and "bad-calls" falling in their direction, their offensive line is overperforming, they arent that good, theyve been able to put up a lot of rushing yards in games where they were holding an early lead and tired the defenses out. that wont happen against this 49ers D. also seahawks have shown to struggle early in games, with their offense often not finding its sync (havent seen 1st half lines yet but Id strongly consider 49ers 1st half line, harbaugh will have his team ready to put up pts early, especially after that loss to the giants, where they had good long drives early but couldnt get in the endzone, missed 2 FGs as well,

I also think vegas is trying to trap the public with the 7, 7 sounds like a real nice big number in the nfl, especially with all these close games this weekend, although the numbers pretty accurate, I see 49ers taking a lead early and then seattle if certain things go their way, being able to make it relatively close to the end, I think more in the 10-21 range IF things go their way....of course things could go terribly wrong for 49ers like they did early for denver, but I really think 49ers win this one easy,

seattles offense has struggled too against weak defenses, this 49ers defense is the real deal, they have some of the best linebackers in the league. they are ranked 1st in 2nd level yards, also theyve avg. 1 fumble recovery per game, and have 5 forced fumbles so far this season, marshawn lynch is smaller back and wilsons a mobile young QB so look for a fumble or 2 in our favor, frank gore doesnt fumble, not to mention wilson is a lot more careless/young/stuff to learn with the ball in the air too, alex smith was out of funk last week, he was often put in bad positions, 3rd and long, 2nd and long/obvious throwing positions, due to harbaughs bad playcalling (really really terrible at playing from behind), he showed a lot of maturity last year and only thru 5 INTs on the season last year, after throwing 3 in last game, he wil be a lot more careful with the ball this game, especially with kapernick on his heels, not to mention Im sure we will see some "wild kap" offense that is going to be real hard to prepare for in the short week,

last year, SF beat SEA twice, destroyed them at home and beat them by 2 in seattle, last year at end of year when they played in seattle, gore/hunter had 178 yards rushing against seattle, but failed to convert in the RZ, (1-5) look for that type-a game, SF dominating line of scrimmage/look to take lead early and run down their throats, rookie russel wilson wont have a great game against this SF defense,

just my thoughts, gonna wait for 1st half line but probably end up pounding both, probly wait on game spread maybe itll drop to -6....

[jinxpro13]

I just got done looking at this game so Ill throw in my 2 cents, ,

49ers -7 or maybe tease with under but Im more confident in 49ers, heres why, first off seahawks are overperforming, 2 wins they got thru a lot of "game-breakers" and "bad-calls" falling in their direction, their offensive line is overperforming, they arent that good, theyve been able to put up a lot of rushing yards in games where they were holding an early lead and tired the defenses out. that wont happen against this 49ers D. also seahawks have shown to struggle early in games, with their offense often not finding its sync (havent seen 1st half lines yet but Id strongly consider 49ers 1st half line, harbaugh will have his team ready to put up pts early, especially after that loss to the giants, where they had good long drives early but couldnt get in the endzone, missed 2 FGs as well,

I also think vegas is trying to trap the public with the 7, 7 sounds like a real nice big number in the nfl, especially with all these close games this weekend, although the numbers pretty accurate, I see 49ers taking a lead early and then seattle if certain things go their way, being able to make it relatively close to the end, I think more in the 10-21 range IF things go their way....of course things could go terribly wrong for 49ers like they did early for denver, but I really think 49ers win this one easy,

seattles offense has struggled too against weak defenses, this 49ers defense is the real deal, they have some of the best linebackers in the league. they are ranked 1st in 2nd level yards, also theyve avg. 1 fumble recovery per game, and have 5 forced fumbles so far this season, marshawn lynch is smaller back and wilsons a mobile young QB so look for a fumble or 2 in our favor, frank gore doesnt fumble, not to mention wilson is a lot more careless/young/stuff to learn with the ball in the air too, alex smith was out of funk last week, he was often put in bad positions, 3rd and long, 2nd and long/obvious throwing positions, due to harbaughs bad playcalling (really really terrible at playing from behind), he showed a lot of maturity last year and only thru 5 INTs on the season last year, after throwing 3 in last game, he wil be a lot more careful with the ball this game, especially with kapernick on his heels, not to mention Im sure we will see some "wild kap" offense that is going to be real hard to prepare for in the short week,

last year, SF beat SEA twice, destroyed them at home and beat them by 2 in seattle, last year at end of year when they played in seattle, gore/hunter had 178 yards rushing against seattle, but failed to convert in the RZ, (1-5) look for that type-a game, SF dominating line of scrimmage/look to take lead early and run down their throats, rookie russel wilson wont have a great game against this SF defense,

just my thoughts, gonna wait for 1st half line but probably end up pounding both, probly wait on game spread maybe itll drop to -6....

lovely analysis. i hear u man. I agree with you on most of this... I don't think San Fran's offense will be doing much wild cat stuff this week. They will be ultra conservative , relying on their defense for this game against wilson, which should make them come out on top..but we all know its gonna be handoffs to lynch all night. No blowout here. I like Seattle on the spread. San Fran straight up.
I like both of these picks a lot.
ill see if i can summon the balls to bet a game total

also.. that NFC underdog stat this season is crazy. somethin like 36-5 or some shit

[2daBank]

lets not praise Peyton for sd falling apart, that what sd does,,4th team in superbowl era to lose a halftime lead of 24 or more (stand proud chargers, fukkin scrubs)... far as side id say playing that gm in 1st place wasnt all that sharp and while sd pissed away a enormous lead i still dont think i was on right side cause it didnt cash and norv is a moron (knew this going in so my fault), that said anyone braggin about being on den is just some fanboy all on Peytons jock (spare me talking like den is a good team, best team in a shithole div sure, that bout it)... far as me watching i went to bed early in 2nd half cause when i figured under was trashed, i could give a shit less bout manning, rivers threw/and fumbled gm away, the end.....

far as under still feel like that gm had no business touching that total and would play it again, 3 defensive tds and 2 more fumbles leading to 10 points bringing the grand total of 31 points directly off turnovers,,,cant cap that shit..


done with this gm, shit way to end good weekend,,,congrats to fanboys everywhere, let me know when den plays a quality team so i can fade them again (havnt beat one yet if you keeping track)....

moving on....

[p19101]

Reminds me of Giants 4th Q meltdown vs Eagles couple years ago. I had a HEAVY bet on Giants that game and I could not believe my eyes.

[jinxpro13]

l...... far as side id say playing that gm in 1st place wasnt all that sharp......

u said it bro..

[2daBank]

if ya wanna start with thu night we can but more than likely only thing ill be playing is 1st half under and possibly a tease with one of them and under (not sure if sf at pk is better than sea + more than 2 tds or not?)...

lot of folks seem to expect a ass whipping here and while it isnt inconceivable d does tend to travel and seachickens bring some serious d,,not sure if smith vs sea d is any better/worse a matchup than wilson vs sf, doubt either qb has a ton of success... how this gm goes over is beyond me (which is a little scary), even in sf blowout win against sea last yr it not like they did it with offense (209 total yards),,it just really hard finding points in this one on the surface, short of defensive scores (doubt there more than 1 of these as neither team will open up to allow this i dont think), over number of punts prob a good prop, lol... really not sure, line seems high for a gm i think will be so low, id agree i doubt sf loses but also doubt they score more than 20, sea off big emotional win and traveling on the short week is enough not to like them, throw in sf getting waxed and a more than likely unhappy harbaugh id expect sf to be more physical than you see some thu nights, will sea be able to match intensity or will they get steamrolled?

[Smutbucket]

a little baffled you cant give credit to manning over that game, he orchestrated the entire drives via audible, and went 13 for 14 for 167 yards in 2nd half, denver dline was pressuring rivers entire game, their points came from 2 short fields and 1 good drive, and defense (offense mistake) manning is arguably best QB of this generation and I have no affiliation/bias with him, he actually annoys me having to see him all over tv in commercials, but his performance on the field is what counts

[suicidekings]

I really don't see a letdown for the Seahawks here. Not sure I want to be taking them to win SU, but I like them at +7.5 and love the option to tease them to +14. The Giants won the game against the Niners because the Giants play physical at the LOS. The Vikings won the game against the Niners because they play physical at the LOS. Wilson is going to take shots downfield while Lynch pounds the ball inside.

This matchup is going to play out just how Seattle wants it to be played, so it's tough to see SF pulling away.

[2daBank]

I really don't see a letdown for the Seahawks here. Not sure I want to be taking them to win SU, but I like them at +7.5 and love the option to tease them to +14. The Giants won the game against the Niners because the Giants play physical at the LOS. The Vikings won the game against the Niners because they play physical at the LOS. Wilson is going to take shots downfield while Lynch pounds the ball inside.

This matchup is going to play out just how Seattle wants it to be played, so it's tough to see SF pulling away.

i almost have to be on dog or pass, i mean for fukks sake im having a hard time finding more than 20 for either team...more than 7 a big damn spread in a gm where i think 20 wins..

[jinxpro13]

only way he doesnt go for 75 is if norv doesnt let him,,den isnt gonna stop him...

as if he went for 74 yards

[YoWhatUp]

Thank you for your plays and posting why you are leaning a certain way. I appreciate all the hard work you put into this thread and hope the winning continues.

[2daBank]

as if he went for 74 yards

yea he on 1 of my fantasy teams so i saw that when i woke up yesterday,,,you know you hot with props when you are hitting them by a yard, lol.. congrats!

[2daBank]

skins/nyg ov 50 ....still not a rg3 fan as he strikes me as a whiner and kinda a pussy but getting hard not to be impressed with what he does on the field, overs been money with this team and now they play a high octane nyg offense...watching skins d i have no clue how eli doesnt hang 30 minimum on this team, so i guess it comes down to how much will skins score? nyg tends to tone down the defensive intensity when they come home after a big win and while this is a div gm they may not i still dont see this being the team that stops the rg3 show, if you got skins at +7 you made a solid bet, i did not, however pretty confident we can treat this like a college gm where if you believe the dog is lively then over is the play...lets call it 31-27 gmen...im far from a line movement expert and have no idea which way number will move, obviously it has already went up but no clue if it come back down or go up more, rather not have to play a 51 or more so gonna play now but it really up to you to decide..

[2daBank]

would like to talk about stl/gb gm, have no idea if there a play to be made just have some thoughts and would like anyone else to join in.

rams seriously impressed me in mia, while they had some help with zebras negating what i thought were obvious turnovers they also outgained the hell out of the phins, stopped their run gm, and ran well themselves (although a lot of those yrds were on one big chunk),, i thought bradford played one of the best gms ive seen him play as a pro and the wr corp looked solid even w/o amendola..

pack are the pack, i think most thought they would see something like that sunday night as that was a desperate group and played like they are capable....

kinda surprised after pack dominating performance this line wasnt 7,,gotta believe ppl will eat this -5 up on the pack....

w/o going back and looking i wanna say when lambs went to gb last year they actually played a very strong gm, it didnt show on the scoreboard but rams went up and down the field, in typical ram fashion they either turned it over or settled for fgs in the red zone, something you cant do against this offense and what i believe is still rams biggest issue,,,they cannot trade fgs for tds in this one or it be a laugher where every jerkoff gets paid (id bet my left nut the mush plays pack this week, maybe he to big of a ram fan but after fading pack last week and watching them light hou up id be shocked if this isnt where he goes)...stl isnt gonna do the dumb shit hou does on d, selling out while leaving corners on islands (said during jets gm if hou plays pack like this they in trouble), rams are more than capable of generating pressure with the front 4 against this oline especially at home where it will be noisy as fans are starting to buy in.... back end ya'll have heard me talk about stl corners plenty and nothing has changed, they are elite (jenkins did did caught with his pants down 1 play last week but he is a rookie and im sure fisher using that as a teachable moment)..really dont care who you are you gonna have to throw a lot of underneath stuff against this team cause corners are taking guys away (jay my guy from mia, how did those wrs do? ),,thing is pack have that guy cobb and he will be a motherfukker for stl, not as worried bout that waste of space finley who cant catch and cries a lot....

offensively rams will have the same kind of problems with mathews as they had with wake,,i gotta say that rams oline has been getting coached up (nice change) as i believe they continue to play better but they just dont have the talent to deal with certain players and mathews fits that bill so it will have to be scheme...

i firmly believe rams can play with gb in this gm but at same time settling for fgs will bury them, another note is their stud rookie kicker missed a few vs mia, not sure if it will hurt his confidence or it was just the wind but something to think about as after he finally missed one he missed couple....

total is in a spot where again i believe a lot of ppl will look at last week pack gm and instantly think over,,,,not so sure that the case as ive mentioned i believe stl d will do a much better job of making rodgers work for his than hou did and they will eat clock on offense, fisher m.o. is to grind and keep team in gm to have a chance in the 4th...

as always would like to hear everyone's opinion on this and any other gms ya feel like talking bout as this what we do in this thread..

[jinxpro13]

interesting angle of the was/nyg game. maybe ill open myself up to totals this weekend.. ill see how my under does thursday. theres no way this game is a slow defensive battle. points will be scored.

as far as gb/stl goes..in my mind theres no way stl keeps up with GB's scoring potential..instead i think this line dictates vegas thinks the stl defense will slow GB down.. they are tough... as you mentioned bank.
already this is the most bet game on sunday and the public is raping GB at 88%...

really haard for me to pick a spread side in this game.. i love stl def and im more bullish on the rams offense than most people, but I really think GB is about to go on a run.

I think GB ML is the best value here and Im pretty sure ill be loading up on it.. but with the spread shrinking .. ill wait and see

bank.. you said it.. if i can get cobb on any props this weekend ill b sure to bet the over on receptions and/or yards. i expect long drives from GB here.. not quick deep strikes... thinking about this game more Im starting to like the under as well.

[groovybrandone]

i think the pack/rams game goes lower scoring as well. texans without houston changed their base d which ruined the middle of the field where they figured theyd need help, and obviously they got burned on the outside 1 on 1 multiple times. without cushing, they changed what their front alignment was as well.

rams assuming they play the d theyve been playing, should know the run game for pack only exists if they have a successful passing game as of right now. so i would assume they play over the top help/bracketing, and rams @ home are pretty legit (on d)

[2daBank]

i would think cobb over props prob would be a very wise selection, assuming it is reasonable and it should be...

no reason to be scared of totals jinx, hell most my long gambling life nfl totals have been the one thing i have a semblance of consistency in with nfl (basketball a different story, although i know some sharp numbers cats i piggyback ncaa totals on quite a bit).. that did change a few years back when these rules changes all started happening as ive always been a guy that bets under or passes (buried me until i came around) so with the times i have adjusted and play more overs than i ever would back in the day,,cant beat'em join'em as they say.... far as skins gm goes honestly only way i think this stays under is if rg3 leaves on a stretcher,, i have little doubt that eli will hang a big number and i do believe skins will make a gm of it, unlike alex smith rg3 makes plays out of the pocket and can escape the gmen rush and we all know nyg corners can be had... in a perfect world skins come out guns blazing and hang some points then we all know what eli does in response to that...

right now with the lambs gm i think you can prob tease that bitch either way and win, hard to think stl wins gm but at same token i just dont think they lose by more than 10, would love for total to hit 45 cause id tease stl to +11 and under 51 in a heartbeat.. gb d has been bad in the red zone, bad enough to allow a terrible red zone team like stl to punch in their chances? i guess that the million dollar question as id put gb in the mid 24-27 point range, if stl continues to struggle putting up tds they score 16, swap out a td for one of those fgs and we up to 20,,obviously i think the total is damn near spot on and really depends on whether stl can punch the ball in,,,either way id feel great with it teased to 51..just gonna be a wait and see type thing....

banker has worked a ton the last month and a half and is taking a well deserved day off today,,hoping we can knock out quite a bit of this card today as i have commitments on sat,,,of coarse be back sat night/sun morning to finish card off but would like to run through as much as possible today to get the old hamster wheel spinning ....told my brother he better be on his gm when we go to gym tonight as typically come up with a few plays after talking with him as we a lot alike but at the same time polar opposites, shitty thing is it not till sunday hour before gm times when he has his thoughts in order and im already off sbr for the day...

[2daBank]

i think the pack/rams game goes lower scoring as well. texans without houston changed their base d which ruined the middle of the field where they figured theyd need help, and obviously they got burned on the outside 1 on 1 multiple times. without cushing, they changed what their front alignment was as well.

rams assuming they play the d theyve been playing, should know the run game for pack only exists if they have a successful passing game as of right now. so i would assume they play over the top help/bracketing, and rams @ home are pretty legit (on d)

even w/o the cushing injury i believe hou was ripe to be had in that gm as they are a go for broke bring the heat type of team and tend to always leave their corners on a island,,,saw it vs nyj and figured gb would light them up if they continued with that strategy.. agree rams will not get beat deep much in this one and will def go the die a slow death route hoping to force a few rodgers mistakes, helps they prob wont blitz a ton as rodgers is deadly when you bring extra rushers,,as of now i have st in the 16-20 point range and gb 24-27 so think the total is tight at 44,,typically these days i just need more cushion to play a under as PI runs rampant and only takes a few of those to help scoring drives along, teased up to 51 i love under, where it sits i think it a coinflip (maybe slight lean under)..

[groovybrandone]

you have a read on dal/car bank? ive stopped paying attn to car since theyve opened up far worse than i imagined they would. dallas is a bi polar team, and i feel similar about carolina, except carolina cant win (lol) off a game that was easily tie-able last week by dallas if their offense wouldve even cared enough. but carolina, they just suck outright. i have no real positives for their team. theyve only scored over 17 twice this season, 1 lead to a win. thinking if dal is at least disciplined here, they should win

[2daBank]

you have a read on dal/car bank? ive stopped paying attn to car since theyve opened up far worse than i imagined they would. dallas is a bi polar team, and i feel similar about carolina, except carolina cant win (lol) off a game that was easily tie-able last week by dallas if their offense wouldve even cared enough. but carolina, they just suck outright. i have no real positives for their team. theyve only scored over 17 twice this season, 1 lead to a win. thinking if dal is at least disciplined here, they should win

i tend to think the bye week may do wonders for panthers offense as i think they have gotten away from letting cam play street ball and he has seemed confused, i must admit even tho i have either faded panthers or stayed away for most part (besides saints gm as i like fading saints shitty d, prob cause i hate their Dcord ) i thought car would be better than they are showing, they obviously thought a little to much of themselves coming into the season which is a easy thing for a young team with a cocky young qb to do, took a much improved bucs team for granted, scored at will on the worst d in the league and started feeling themselves again than ran into a terrible spot with a banged up nyg team that you knew was coming for blood... i would have thought panther run d would be much better this yr and obviously they have not been, that said can you really trust that ginger moron garrett to stick with the run gm for more than a week? dont trust that coach one bit, dont like laying small road chalk, honestly dont like this gm at all...as of right now id say im passing but im early on this one but at end of day it will be either panthers or pass for me.... prob pass as i really dont like cams body language but i think the kid really wants to be good unlike a lot of other 1st overall qbs that were happy to get the money,,think we find out a lot about the panthers this week and honestly id be lying if i knew what that gonna be one way or the other...

[jinxpro13]

ill start slowly with the totals this weekend bank. def will tail you on the was/nyg over. ive blown too many parlays with shitty O/U bets..

groovy i have a hard time betting carolina games. never have a good read on the team. still remember them coming out and beating houston late year somehow and screwing me deep and hard. I definitely lean dallas here with their backs up against the wall, but im staying away from this game.