Jets Calling That Timeout on First Down was Horrible!

8ArIvd5 · 01-23-11, 09:53 PM

i was wondering about that also

dynamite140 · 01-23-11, 09:54 PM

Jets Calling That Timeout on First Down was Horrible!

I always thought about this when a team is down and need to stop the clock with under 3 minutes left with 2-3 timeouts.

Am i right to assume that the Jets shouldn't have called a timeout after the first down play? I'm not sure but after a whistle on a running play, the clock resets to 40 seconds i think and there was 2:53 on the clock to start the play. I'm a Jets fan but hate the Jets but saw this situation and cannot believe they called a timeout after 1st down. So the Steelers would have to run a play before the 2 minute warning on 2nd down and it would be either 3rd down or 1st down with 2 minutes to go and the Jets would still have 2 time outs left.

So even though they got the 1st down on 2nd down, the Jets just lost 40 seconds of the clock. Right now its 3rd down for the steelers with 2 minutes to go and jets have 0 timeouts. If they didn't call a timeout after the first down, they would still have 1 timeout right now.

Does anyone know how BIG of a mistake this is?

Seattle Slew · 01-23-11, 09:56 PM

Jets been doing this all year (see Chicago game). You're right, it was a mistake. But didn't matter in the end because they couldn't get the stop.

dynamite140 · 01-23-11, 10:06 PM

Yes but if they did stop them, they would have stopped the clock and Steelers would have to punt at around the 1:54 mark. Without that timeout, if they did stop them, Steelers would have been able to run the clock and then punt around the 1:09 mark. No one else noticed this?

RudyRuetigger · 01-23-11, 10:07 PM

with 2 timeouts you should ALMOST NEVER call a timeout on 1st down.

davidchong · 01-23-11, 10:12 PM

theyre is the result.......

SBR Lou · 01-23-11, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

with 2 timeouts you should ALMOST NEVER call a timeout on 1st down.

They had all 3 timeouts. If they got the stop on 3rd down, they would have had ~1:45 to score a touchdown.

dynamite140 · 01-23-11, 10:56 PM

Hey Lou, what mattered the most was there was 2:53 when it was 1st down for the Steelers. If there was 2:35, then they have to call a timeout. But because each play takes 6-7 seconds and then the clock resets to 40, they had to run a play before the 2 minute warning and then the clock would be stopped right after the play.

What they did there was if they stopped them on 3rd down, they have 1:09 to score a TD or so from my calculations.

seaborneq · 01-23-11, 11:50 PM

I am glad the Jets didn't prolong the agony.

Chuck Sims · 01-24-11, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by dynamite140

I always thought about this when a team is down and need to stop the clock with under 3 minutes left with 2-3 timeouts.

Am i right to assume that the Jets shouldn't have called a timeout after the first down play? I'm not sure but after a whistle on a running play, the clock resets to 40 seconds i think and there was 2:53 on the clock to start the play. I'm a Jets fan but hate the Jets but saw this situation and cannot believe they called a timeout after 1st down. So the Steelers would have to run a play before the 2 minute warning on 2nd down and it would be either 3rd down or 1st down with 2 minutes to go and the Jets would still have 2 time outs left.

So even though they got the 1st down on 2nd down, the Jets just lost 40 seconds of the clock. Right now its 3rd down for the steelers with 2 minutes to go and jets have 0 timeouts. If they didn't call a timeout after the first down, they would still have 1 timeout right now.

Does anyone know how BIG of a mistake this is?

You're genius. Why no one ever brings that up is amazing. When I first read your post I thought there was a flaw in your reasoning. But after thinking it through, you are right. The Jets should have allowed the clock to run after the Steelers 1st down play.

RudyRuetigger · 01-24-11, 02:13 AM

playbyplay below

RudyRuetigger · 01-24-11, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Lou

They had all 3 timeouts. If they got the stop on 3rd down, they would have had ~1:45 to score a touchdown.

they had 2 timeouts on a 1st down.

Pittsburgh Steelers at 03:06
2-N.Folk kicks 56 yards from NYJ 30 to PIT 14. 84-A.Brown ran ob at PIT 41 for 27 yards (30-D.Coleman).
1-10-PIT 41 (2:56) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 42 for 1 yard (22-B.Pool, 24-D.Revis).
Timeout #1 by NYJ at 02:50.
2-9-PIT 42 (2:50) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 83-H.Miller to NYJ 44 for 14 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
Timeout #2 by NYJ at 02:43.
1-10-NYJ 44 (2:43) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to NYJ 42 for 2 yards (99-J.Taylor).
Timeout #3 by NYJ at 02:38.
2-8-NYJ 42 (2:38) 34-R.Mendenhall right end to NYJ 40 for 2 yards (52-D.Harris, 58-B.Thomas).
Two-Minute Warning
3-6-NYJ 40 (2:00) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown pushed ob at NYJ 26 for 14 yards (33-E.Smith).

my point is using a different logic than OPs but his logic makes more sense in this scenario. again, almost never should you use a timeout on 1st down with only 2, especially if you think the other team will run it on 3rd down no matter what (which is what jets thought the steelers would do)

astrodomer · 01-24-11, 03:03 AM

yep I remember thinking what a horrible call it was.......only had 2 time outs after he made the 1st down...burned one and were down to one should have kept the clock running then the steelers would have ran a play with 2: 13 left on clock now call a time out Mr. Ryan!! 2nd down now run a play Timeout # 3 Mr. Ryan!!! 2:04 is left 3rd down.....run the play.......2min warning!!! 4th Down!!! To that I slam my head set down!!!!!!!!!! now pretend pitt dont get the 1st down and all goes well for jets.....only 1:10 would have been left on the clock by the time they got the ball back, by using the timeout when they did they burned 45 seconds

kidkonggolf · 01-24-11, 03:12 AM

I agree...it was a terrible decision to call TO!

Le_Donk · 01-24-11, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

they had 2 timeouts on a 1st down.

Pittsburgh Steelers at 03:06
2-N.Folk kicks 56 yards from NYJ 30 to PIT 14. 84-A.Brown ran ob at PIT 41 for 27 yards (30-D.Coleman).
1-10-PIT 41 (2:56) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 42 for 1 yard (22-B.Pool, 24-D.Revis).
Timeout #1 by NYJ at 02:50.
2-9-PIT 42 (2:50) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 83-H.Miller to NYJ 44 for 14 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
Timeout #2 by NYJ at 02:43.
1-10-NYJ 44 (2:43) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to NYJ 42 for 2 yards (99-J.Taylor).
Timeout #3 by NYJ at 02:38.
2-8-NYJ 42 (2:38) 34-R.Mendenhall right end to NYJ 40 for 2 yards (52-D.Harris, 58-B.Thomas).
Two-Minute Warning
3-6-NYJ 40 (2:00) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown pushed ob at NYJ 26 for 14 yards (33-E.Smith).

my point is using a different logic than OPs but his logic makes more sense in this scenario. again, almost never should you use a timeout on 1st down with only 2, especially if you think the other team will run it on 3rd down no matter what (which is what jets thought the steelers would do)

the mistake is the 1st timeout by the jets
timeout #2 is a no brainer with 2:43 left, if u dont take it, steelers snap it with 3 seconds left before the 2 minute warning and throw the ball

ttrace35 · 01-24-11, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

they had 2 timeouts on a 1st down.

Pittsburgh Steelers at 03:06
2-N.Folk kicks 56 yards from NYJ 30 to PIT 14. 84-A.Brown ran ob at PIT 41 for 27 yards (30-D.Coleman).
1-10-PIT 41 (2:56) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 42 for 1 yard (22-B.Pool, 24-D.Revis).
Timeout #1 by NYJ at 02:50.
2-9-PIT 42 (2:50) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 83-H.Miller to NYJ 44 for 14 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
Timeout #2 by NYJ at 02:43.
1-10-NYJ 44 (2:43) 34-R.Mendenhall right tackle to NYJ 42 for 2 yards (99-J.Taylor).
Timeout #3 by NYJ at 02:38.
2-8-NYJ 42 (2:38) 34-R.Mendenhall right end to NYJ 40 for 2 yards (52-D.Harris, 58-B.Thomas).
Two-Minute Warning
3-6-NYJ 40 (2:00) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown pushed ob at NYJ 26 for 14 yards (33-E.Smith).

my point is using a different logic than OPs but his logic makes more sense in this scenario. again, almost never should you use a timeout on 1st down with only 2, especially if you think the other team will run it on 3rd down no matter what (which is what jets thought the steelers would do)

your wrong bro. Jets had all 3 timeouts at that point.

RudyRuetigger · 01-24-11, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by ttrace35

your wrong bro. Jets had all 3 timeouts at that point.

i guess you enjoy disagreeing with the play by play. do i really have to highlight the first timeout for you which happened in (4.)?

boscokid · 01-24-11, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

i guess you enjoy disagreeing with the play by play. do i really have to highlight the first timeout for you which happened in (4.)?

lol

ttrace35 · 01-24-11, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

i guess you enjoy disagreeing with the play by play. do i really have to highlight the first timeout for you which happened in (4.)?

My bad bro. I just read the first line that said 2 timeouts. Why did you even put that?

gtkid911 · 01-24-11, 07:40 AM

Jets needed that 3rd down stop regardless. They were in a position to get the ball but let Big
Ben scramble and get that throw. Not much more you can ask for in this position.

Roxxyfish · 01-24-11, 07:41 AM

yep their game in the last minutes was not clever

mikejamm · 01-24-11, 08:05 AM

Brilliant call! Best call the Jets made all season! Gave the Steelers plenty of time to set their next play! Excellent clock management, thank you Rex Ryan!

Chuck Sims · 01-24-11, 11:52 AM

I did come up with a scenario that makes calling a timeout immediately the right decision.

If Pitt goes 3 and out, calling timeouts after each play would leave more than 2:35 on the clock.

I think the Jets had to play as if they would stop Pitt from getting a 1st down.

Only after Pitt got the 1st down that you can look back and say he should not of called timeout after 1st down.

rickbo528 · 01-24-11, 12:32 PM

You are going under the assumption Rex Ryan is a good coach.

He is a loudmouth fat sob. He showed so much class in the last minute by throwing his headset to the ground. I loved every second of seeing this classless clown in agony. Only wish it coulda been a 45-3 beatdown.

SRBI · 01-24-11, 12:33 PM

I'm so glad lard-ass lost. Go Steelers baby!

RudyRuetigger · 01-24-11, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Le_Donk

the mistake is the 1st timeout by the jets
timeout #2 is a no brainer with 2:43 left, if u dont take it, steelers snap it with 3 seconds left before the 2 minute warning and throw the ball

missed this the first time around.

1st timeout is questionable, but I'd also say mistake.

2nd timeout isn't a no brainer. I believe Pitt threw it 3 times the whole 2h leading up to this drive and it was first down.