Originally posted by wantitall4moi
LMAO another math guy. or thinks/pretends hes a math guy who doesnt have a frigging clue.
Points/lines dont have any value, end of story. Other than what a book will charge for them. Only people that think that are guys who have been brainwashed into thinking they do.
I have been following sports and gambling for over 25 years I have tracked the numbers, moves, and all that bullshit and it doesnt mean a damn thing. The only times the points matter is when they actually matter, which isnt very often. There have been 147 individual games in the last 4500 or so where the line actually mattered. Do the math math guy and tell me what percentage that is.
These so called syndicates you mention that go in line with the 'billy walters' and other so called professional wise guy gamblers all have self fulfilling means to an end. Akin to how Ed at RAS does it in some sports now. They pick a couple games, then either release them or bet them and they have enough FOLLOWERS that put enough money into them to move them. So when the lines move (due only to the mass amount of money that was bet on them BECAUSE of THEIR say so) they claim 'see the line was off but we 'beat' it". Sometimes they win sometimes hey dont. But they always want to cite the amount of times and the degree by which they beat the closing number.
I call it the idiot factor. You have enough idiots following you that believe the shit you are selling and you can make any line move. Thats how Billy Walters (25 years ago) actually did make a little money gambling. He would leak out stuff he thought was off and let the fools move the lines then he would bet the other side and get all sorts of middles and crazy buy backs. Mostly in NCAA stuff but it was more than enough to make money with the kind of money he was moving back then. But he wasnt the only one doing it, he was just the only one dumb enough to talk about it.
I am not going to derail my own thread trying to educate you dumb asses who think they know what theyre doing based on the new age line of thinking.
I said from the start this was something I did that was just a system, totally numbers and nothing else. no factoring in anything but the stuff I use. It does work and it will show a profit. I dont give a shit what kind of definitions you want to put on it. the NFL by definition is 'short term' because there simply arent enough games in a season to make it anything else. There are 256 games(not counting play offs). If a guy can find 50 bets in that number of games and win 27 to 30 of them he is doing very well. Especially if half of them are for + odds.
That is the problem with NFL (sports) gamblers and so called 'sharp' guys. They look at 28-22 and think it is a failure or nothing special, but then out of the other side of their mouth they say hitting 55% 'long term' is impossible. But no one ever defines 'long term'. Nor do they care to because all these guys want to do is bad mouth and put down anyone that isnt a complete coin flipper. Vast majority of guys want others to lose because theyre losers themselves and thus they cant think anyone else can actually win doing it, plus they have to put others down to make themselves feel better or smarter.
This thing was up over 10 units the first 3 weeks, obviously it isnt going to keep that pace, nor should anyone expect it to. It did show a profit this week despite seemingly having a 'rough' day yesterday. But +120, +91, +91, -100, -100 is still a profit. And actually the odds on Phi and Mia were actually pretty close to even so a guy trying to 'spin' could say +120, +100, +100, -100, -100. No matter how you want to slice it it was profitable if you played the 5 games.
So even when you fools try to come in and bad mouth something all you do is show how ignorant you are. Even if it went 0-5 it would still have been up 5 units, which if I am not mistaken is still a profit. Like I said you take the good with the bad. In the end it is only about the money you have when you cash out. The money you make along the way isnt even all that important except it means youre not betting with your own money anymore.
Like I said I am done with this, if at the end of the season it is down mega units and you want to be critical feel free. But I imagine anytime the thing doesnt have astronomical returns you or one of your ilk will be in with your expected stupidity.
Points/lines dont have any value, end of story. Other than what a book will charge for them. Only people that think that are guys who have been brainwashed into thinking they do.
I have been following sports and gambling for over 25 years I have tracked the numbers, moves, and all that bullshit and it doesnt mean a damn thing. The only times the points matter is when they actually matter, which isnt very often. There have been 147 individual games in the last 4500 or so where the line actually mattered. Do the math math guy and tell me what percentage that is.
These so called syndicates you mention that go in line with the 'billy walters' and other so called professional wise guy gamblers all have self fulfilling means to an end. Akin to how Ed at RAS does it in some sports now. They pick a couple games, then either release them or bet them and they have enough FOLLOWERS that put enough money into them to move them. So when the lines move (due only to the mass amount of money that was bet on them BECAUSE of THEIR say so) they claim 'see the line was off but we 'beat' it". Sometimes they win sometimes hey dont. But they always want to cite the amount of times and the degree by which they beat the closing number.
I call it the idiot factor. You have enough idiots following you that believe the shit you are selling and you can make any line move. Thats how Billy Walters (25 years ago) actually did make a little money gambling. He would leak out stuff he thought was off and let the fools move the lines then he would bet the other side and get all sorts of middles and crazy buy backs. Mostly in NCAA stuff but it was more than enough to make money with the kind of money he was moving back then. But he wasnt the only one doing it, he was just the only one dumb enough to talk about it.
I am not going to derail my own thread trying to educate you dumb asses who think they know what theyre doing based on the new age line of thinking.
I said from the start this was something I did that was just a system, totally numbers and nothing else. no factoring in anything but the stuff I use. It does work and it will show a profit. I dont give a shit what kind of definitions you want to put on it. the NFL by definition is 'short term' because there simply arent enough games in a season to make it anything else. There are 256 games(not counting play offs). If a guy can find 50 bets in that number of games and win 27 to 30 of them he is doing very well. Especially if half of them are for + odds.
That is the problem with NFL (sports) gamblers and so called 'sharp' guys. They look at 28-22 and think it is a failure or nothing special, but then out of the other side of their mouth they say hitting 55% 'long term' is impossible. But no one ever defines 'long term'. Nor do they care to because all these guys want to do is bad mouth and put down anyone that isnt a complete coin flipper. Vast majority of guys want others to lose because theyre losers themselves and thus they cant think anyone else can actually win doing it, plus they have to put others down to make themselves feel better or smarter.
This thing was up over 10 units the first 3 weeks, obviously it isnt going to keep that pace, nor should anyone expect it to. It did show a profit this week despite seemingly having a 'rough' day yesterday. But +120, +91, +91, -100, -100 is still a profit. And actually the odds on Phi and Mia were actually pretty close to even so a guy trying to 'spin' could say +120, +100, +100, -100, -100. No matter how you want to slice it it was profitable if you played the 5 games.
So even when you fools try to come in and bad mouth something all you do is show how ignorant you are. Even if it went 0-5 it would still have been up 5 units, which if I am not mistaken is still a profit. Like I said you take the good with the bad. In the end it is only about the money you have when you cash out. The money you make along the way isnt even all that important except it means youre not betting with your own money anymore.
Like I said I am done with this, if at the end of the season it is down mega units and you want to be critical feel free. But I imagine anytime the thing doesnt have astronomical returns you or one of your ilk will be in with your expected stupidity.
Sorry cowboy, but no way in hell.. 
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