Wisconsin = one and done; Big Ten = overrated

[PickWinnerAllDay]

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Oregon, Washington, Xavier, and Texas are all teams Lunardi has in I believe, and all of them are ranked below Northwestern on RPI. Just something to consider.

You seem to think there are a ton of better options out there... you're placing all this hatred on the Big 10 it seems but the reality is, there aren't better teams from conferences out there. They just aren't.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

I kind of wish Illinois would have hung on to that game against Missouri.

Would have been funny to see what the committee would have done if they were 12-1 OOC and then 7-11 in conference.

The Big 10 is just the best this year. Not really debatable.

[No coincidences]

Wisconsin 3-3 last six, Purdue 3-3 last six, Northwestern's dropped three of four, Indiana 6-6 last 12 (including last night's win over NC Central), Minnesota's lost four straight, Illinois has dropped six in a row -- just garbage.

[No coincidences]

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Oregon, Washington, Xavier, and Texas are all teams Lunardi has in I believe, and all of them are ranked below Northwestern on RPI. Just something to consider.

You seem to think there are a ton of better options out there... you're placing all this hatred on the Big 10 it seems but the reality is, there aren't better teams from conferences out there. They just aren't.

I repeat: Northwestern ain't getting in.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Wisconsin 3-3 last six, Purdue 3-3 last six, Northwestern's dropped three of four, Indiana 6-6 last 12 (including last night's win over NC Central), Minnesota's lost four straight, Illinois has dropped six in a row -- just garbage.

You mean Big 10 teams are playing worse when they get to conference play?

You're making a huge argument in favor of the Big 10 being good, just so you know.

The fact that all these teams are struggling in conference and playing well out of conference proves MY point, not yours.

[t-wizzle]

If you think college basketball is down as a whole then that's one thing but I don't see how anyone can say that the Big Ten is not a top 3 conference this year. They have two legitimate final four contenders. Would you really be all that surprised if Indiana or Michigan make a push to, say, the elite 8? Throw in solid teams like purdue, northwestern, wisconsin, etc and you have a pretty good conference. The bottom half isn't spectacular but they aren't bad either.

Let's just compare them to a few others in terms of depth. ACC doesn't measure up although the top 6 teams are pretty good. Big 12 i'd say is pretty comparable. The Big East has so many teams but we all know how down that conference is this year. The SEC and Pac-12 aren't on the same level.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Why am I arguing with a moron when stats will prove the point?

Big 10 Conference RPI rank: Number 1
Big 10 Conference SOS rank: Number 1

Period.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

RPI: Big 10 = number 1
Sagarin: Big 10 = number 1
Kenpom: Big 10 = number 1
No Coin Indicator: Big 10 = Number 3

[No coincidences]

You mean Big 10 teams are playing worse when they get to conference play?

You're making a huge argument in favor of the Big 10 being good, just so you know.

The fact that all these teams are struggling in conference and playing well out of conference proves MY point, not yours.

NCAA hopefuls are getting better at this point in the season. That's why the committee emphasizes the stretch run so much. Outside of the top three teams in the league, can you honestly say any of these squads are getting better (or even keeping their heads above water)?

Purdue kicked two kids off the team. Illinois has completely imploded. Wisconsin and Indiana losing nearly every road game they play. Minnesota and Northwestern can't beat anyone right now.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

The stretch run? So by your logic, teams should be rewarded for playing in garbage conferences?

Florida State is 10-3 in the ACC... this garbage FSU squad would be below .500 in the Big 10.

Teams aren't going to get rewarded for 'playing well' in sub par conferences while teams in elite conferences get punished.

The Big 10 is the best, the Big 12 is slightly behind them, and the Big East is right behind them. Pretty simple.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

The funny thing is hes obviously just angry b/c hes been losing Big 10 bets lately. Northwestern can't beat anyone lately but you put how many units on them yesterday? Bitter as fukk.

[No coincidences]

If you think college basketball is down as a whole then that's one thing but I don't see how anyone can say that the Big Ten is not a top 3 conference this year. They have two legitimate final four contenders. Would you really be all that surprised if Indiana or Michigan make a push to, say, the elite 8? Throw in solid teams like purdue, northwestern, wisconsin, etc and you have a pretty good conference. The bottom half isn't spectacular but they aren't bad either.

Let's just compare them to a few others in terms of depth. ACC doesn't measure up although the top 6 teams are pretty good. Big 12 i'd say is pretty comparable. The Big East has so many teams but we all know how down that conference is this year. The SEC and Pac-12 aren't on the same level.

Why am I arguing with a moron when stats will prove the point?

Big 10 Conference RPI rank: Number 1
Big 10 Conference SOS rank: Number 1

Period.

This is what I'm talking about t-wizz. I'm not arguing that the Big Ten isn't a top three conference. I'm saying they're not an overwhelming No. 1 like you hear in the media, and given the current form of these NCAA hopefuls, I think they'll be exposed in the dance.

Again, I'm not arguing against MSU, OSU and Michigan. All very good teams and could make deep runs. You say Wisconsin, Purdue and Northwestern are "solid" though -- I say they aren't. Indiana's OK, but what exactly have they proven away from home?

[No coincidences]

The stretch run? So by your logic, teams should be rewarded for playing in garbage conferences?

Is it or is it not part of the criteria used by the selection committee? You hear about them using the "last 10" gauge every single season.

[No coincidences]

The funny thing is hes obviously just angry b/c hes been losing Big 10 bets lately. Northwestern can't beat anyone lately but you put how many units on them yesterday? Bitter as fukk.

I'm just a realist. I've been watching Big Ten basketball for a long time and there have been many, many years when the league is vastly underrated by the media and they prove so come tournament time.

You keep referencing games teams in the conference played in November and December. Move on. Teams like Florida State and Seton Hall have gotten better. Teams like Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and Northwestern haven't.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Is it or is it not part of the criteria used by the selection committee? You hear about them using the "last 10" gauge every single season.

They've said the last 10 has no merit now. They've openly come out and said that.

Even if the last 10 did matter, look at what happened to Illinois last year. Just try to remember... People said Illinois was on the bubble last year b/c of their 'bad finish' to the season. Yes, I believe they were 2-8 in their last 10, but I believe 8 of those games were against ranked opponents.

The committee isn't going to put in some team who finished 6-4 in their last 10 and played nobody over someone who had to play murderers row in their last 10 and struggled. The committee isn't full of morons like you.

Illinois ended up a 9 seed even though the experts were projecting them in the play in game.

[HoulihansTX]

Big 12 superior conference

[PickWinnerAllDay]

I'm just a realist. I've been watching Big Ten basketball for a long time and there have been many, many years when the league is vastly underrated by the media and they prove so come tournament time.

You keep referencing games teams in the conference played in November and December. Move on. Teams like Florida State and Seton Hall have gotten better. Teams like Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and Northwestern haven't.

I'll speak for Florida State, but it is easy to look good when you are playing garbage squads like Maryland, NC state, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Miami on a nightly basis.

You confuse 'improving' with playing inferior competition and it is the reason you struggle picking games.

[dynamite140]

The funny thing is hes obviously just angry b/c hes been losing Big 10 bets lately. Northwestern can't beat anyone lately but you put how many units on them yesterday? Bitter as fukk.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

You know, its funny No Coin... I guess South Florida just improved, right?

They go from 7-6 in a bad OOC slate to 10-5 in the Big East...

South Florida lost to Old Dominion, VCU, Penn State, Auburn, and Southern Miss in the OOC but they've been racking up wins in the Big East...

I guess they just improved, right?

[Nuggets77]

I'll take either of the Michigan teams come tourney time. I can only hope Wisconsin is ousted in round round one. As a fan, they are extremely troubling to watch. They comletely lack athleticism.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

I'll take either of the Michigan teams come tourney time. I can only hope Wisconsin is ousted in round round one. As a fan, they are extremely troubling to watch. They comletely lack athleticism.

Wisconsin is having a down year by their standards, but they still went neck and neck with ACC number 1 on the road.

[No coincidences]

They've said the last 10 has no merit now. They've openly come out and said that.

Even if the last 10 did matter, look at what happened to Illinois last year. Just try to remember... People said Illinois was on the bubble last year b/c of their 'bad finish' to the season. Yes, I believe they were 2-8 in their last 10, but I believe 8 of those games were against ranked opponents.

The committee isn't going to put in some team who finished 6-4 in their last 10 and played nobody over someone who had to play murderers row in their last 10 and struggled. The committee isn't full of morons like you.

Illinois ended up a 9 seed even though the experts were projecting them in the play in game.

Dude, the fact that you're still defending Illinois and saying Northwestern -- who has literally never been in the tournament, currently sits at 16-11 overall, 6-9 in the league -- will somehow make the field says it all. I know a homer when I see one. I can't take you seriously kerry.

[No coincidences]

You know, its funny No Coin... I guess South Florida just improved, right?

They go from 7-6 in a bad OOC slate to 10-5 in the Big East...

South Florida lost to Old Dominion, VCU, Penn State, Auburn, and Southern Miss in the OOC but they've been racking up wins in the Big East...

I guess they just improved, right?

Given their injury situation in November and December, absolutely I'd say South Florida has improved.

Again, stop living in the late fall.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

no coin, it really doesn't matter who I am, I have owned you in this debate, you have offered nothing of substance.

You really just don't know your shit when it comes to college basketball.

Illinois slapped Gonzaga around a few months ago. Do you really think Gonzaga got better since then or do you think they are playing an easy schedule that will allow them to walk into the tournament? It is obvious man.

When it comes to conference basketball, if a team does worse in conference than out of conference, that has more to do with how good the conference is.

The fact South Florida went 7-6 OOC and 10-5 in the BE and Notre Dame has basically done the same thing is not a good sign for the Big East.

You can't find a Big 10 team that performed badly OOC and then good in conference. The reason you can't find that is b/c the Big 10 is the best conference.

[No coincidences]

I'll speak for Florida State, but it is easy to look good when you are playing garbage squads like Maryland, NC state, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Miami on a nightly basis.

You confuse 'improving' with playing inferior competition and it is the reason you struggle picking games.

Florida State beat the shit out of North Carolina at home and won at Duke. Can any Big Ten team claim anywhere near the same accomplishments?

[Nuggets77]

Big 12 superior conference

Agree........Very dangerous!

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Injuries for USF? Looks like the same 7-8 man rotation that was embarrassed by Auburn almost knocked off Syracuse the other night...

You're talking out of your ass, period.

[dynamite140]

no coin, it really doesn't matter who I am, I have owned you in this debate, you have offered nothing of substance.

You really just don't know your shit when it comes to college basketball.

Illinois slapped Gonzaga around a few months ago. Do you really think Gonzaga got better since then or do you think they are playing an easy schedule that will allow them to walk into the tournament? It is obvious man.

When it comes to conference basketball, if a team does worse in conference than out of conference, that has more to do with how good the conference is.

The fact South Florida went 7-6 OOC and 10-5 in the BE and Notre Dame has basically done the same thing is not a good sign for the Big East.

You can't find a Big 10 team that performed badly OOC and then good in conference. The reason you can't find that is b/c the Big 10 is the best conference.

He just thinks every game is fixed and believe in traps... why you think he took Northwestern laying points?



He created this thread b/c he is bitter about the big 10 b/c he loses when he bet on them. If they win, he wouldn't even create this thread.


Look at the nba forum. He does it everyday

[No coincidences]

no coin, it really doesn't matter who I am, I have owned you in this debate, you have offered nothing of substance.

You really just don't know your shit when it comes to college basketball.

Illinois slapped Gonzaga around a few months ago. Do you really think Gonzaga got better since then or do you think they are playing an easy schedule that will allow them to walk into the tournament? It is obvious man.

When it comes to conference basketball, if a team does worse in conference than out of conference, that has more to do with how good the conference is.

The fact South Florida went 7-6 OOC and 10-5 in the BE and Notre Dame has basically done the same thing is not a good sign for the Big East.

You can't find a Big 10 team that performed badly OOC and then good in conference. The reason you can't find that is b/c the Big 10 is the best conference.

Answer this question and then we'll end this little "debate":

Can you honestly say Wisconsin is playing better basketball overall now than they were OOC? How about Purdue? Indiana? Minnesota? Northwestern? We know the answer for Illinois.

Big Ten teams still showing improvement: MSU, OSU, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska.

Big Ten teams that peaked early and are now struggling to stay afloat: Indiana, Wisconsin, Northwestern.

Big Ten teams in a free-fall: Minnesota, Illinois, Purdue (given they just kicked two starters off the team).

Again, live in the now.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Florida State beat the shit out of North Carolina at home and won at Duke. Can any Big Ten team claim anywhere near the same accomplishments?

Ohio State beat Duke by 22 points, and that score is misleading. It wasn't that close.
Ohio State beat top 10 Florida, again, score was closer than it really was
Ohio State beat top 10 Indiana by 17.
Ohio State beat Michigan by 15
Ohio State won at Wisconsin

Lets just be clear... you probably would take UNC or Duke straight up against Ohio State right now. You're blinded by your hatred and inability to pick a Big 10 game correctly.

[convick]

How could anyone question the greatness of the conference that gave us this gem?

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/25683/rapid-reaction-penn-state-36-wisconsin-33

Or this other beauty?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/michigan-state-upset-illinois-college-basketball-video_n_1245922.html

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Answer this question and then we'll end this little "debate":

Can you honestly say Wisconsin is playing better basketball overall now than they were OOC? How about Purdue? Indiana? Minnesota? Northwestern? We know the answer for Illinois.

Big Ten teams still showing improvement: MSU, OSU, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska.

Big Ten teams that peaked early and are now struggling to stay afloat: Indiana, Wisconsin, Northwestern.

Big Ten teams in a free-fall: Minnesota, Illinois, Purdue (given they just kicked two starters off the team).

Again, live in the now.

Purdue is in a free fall even though they are coming off a double digit win? Just give it up dude. I've watched your Big 10 plays lately. You are missing them all and taking your anger out in this thread about it.

They aren't playing worse basketball, they are playing really hard schedules.

I think I saw Oregon is 10-5 in the Pac-12... do you think they'd even be 5-10 in the Big 10? Very unlikely. It is who you play and Big 10 teams are beating the shit out of each other right now.

[No coincidences]

Injuries for USF? Looks like the same 7-8 man rotation that was embarrassed by Auburn almost knocked off Syracuse the other night...

You're talking out of your ass, period.

South Florida has played 28 games. They have three total players who have appeared in every one. That's it. Poland didn't play until late December, and Gilchrist missed time early as well.

How in the hell did USF get into this discussion anyway? Talk about a red herring on your part.

[No coincidences]

Ohio State beat Duke by 22 points, and that score is misleading. It wasn't that close.
Ohio State beat top 10 Florida, again, score was closer than it really was
Ohio State beat top 10 Indiana by 17.
Ohio State beat Michigan by 15
Ohio State won at Wisconsin

Lets just be clear... you probably would take UNC or Duke straight up against Ohio State right now. You're blinded by your hatred and inability to pick a Big 10 game correctly.

Where did I discredit Ohio State?

[No coincidences]

Purdue is in a free fall even though they are coming off a double digit win?